Tocchet Do We Really Need Him

[VanJack]

Frank Seravalli reporting that the Canucks have made a contract offer to Tochett. But I guess all that does is preserve the 'club option' on his services for next season.

I'm assuming he still would have the right to turn down the contract offer and gain his independence. I think he'd be crazy not to at least listen to what Flyers come up with, compared to what the Canucks are offering.

 

[F A N]

Frank Seravalli reporting that the Canucks have made a contract offer to Tochett. But I guess all that does is preserve the 'club option' on his services for next season.

I'm assuming he still would have the right to turn down the contract offer and gain his independence. I think he'd be crazy not to at least listen to what Flyers come up with, compared to what the Canucks are offering.

That's not how team options work.

 

[David71]

dont think tocchett will stay despite what offers they give him. lots of teams will have no problem giving him a 4-5yr deal. theres a couple of coaches i think would be a fit for vancouver or looked at.

jay woodcroft, gerard gallant. mike sullivan? 2nd go around but he doesnt like to play young players. loves his veterans. plus history with current mangement group. or they go outside the box and find european coaches who are more open in terms of giving their players more freedom creativity

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[vadim sharifijanov]

from the main board

coach at the end of his career bloodying some jobber i’ve never heard of with a flurry of rypien-esque lefts

 

[Bubbles]

from the main board



coach at the end of his career bloodying some jobber i’ve never heard of with a flurry of rypien-esque lefts

I had to look up this Marc Moro because he didn't ring a bell at all. Turns out he was a goon that was drafted as the 27th overall pick in 1995.

My god drafting was bad back then. Pure goon drafted in the 2nd. Hell of stat line, though.

1998-99 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 80 0 5 5 264

 

[Rick Rocket]

Maybe Jim Benning will try his hand at coaching.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

The only way he doesn't come back next season is if Vancouver opts out and they've already said they see him as their coach and want him here long term.

If Vancouver uses their team option he can't just quit and go to another team. He could quit and go back to TNT but that's not really Tocchet, now is it? Even if they don't get a long term deal done, I could see them using the team option for the mean time to try to get a deal done or explore other options.

Doubt they force him to just play out his last year as a lame duck coach.

If he doesnt sign its because Aqua refused to pay him.

 

[Coffee]

Maybe Jim Benning will try his hand at coaching.

Pipe dream

 

[rypper]

Doubt they force him to just play out his last year as a lame duck coach.

If he doesnt sign its because Aqua refused to pay him.

It definitely makes things awkward but they've said they'll do exactly that.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It definitely makes things awkward but they've said they'll do exactly that.

I think that is a negotiating tactic.

 

[rypper]

I think that is a negotiating tactic.

Most likely, but they also put a lot of effort into getting Tocchet on board and took a lot of arrows for how boudreau was treated on the way out.

They're going to do everything to keep him. Plus with the less the "admirable " way of they've handled some personal decisions, I wouldn't say actually doing that is out of the question.

 

[F A N]

jay woodcroft, gerard gallant. mike sullivan? 2nd go around but he doesnt like to play young players. loves his veterans. plus history with current mangement group. or they go outside the box and find european coaches who are more open in terms of giving their players more freedom creativity

I think Woodcroft and Gallant are poor choices if management wants strong defensive structure and holding players accountable (even though this almost never happens to the extent fans think players should be held accountable). I think if Sullivan is available management would sign him in a heart beat.

 

[VancouverJagger]

This Tocchet to Philly BS is the same sort of shit as those rumour mongering for Hughes to NJ......it's good press but just not ever gonna happen. Shame on anyone who actually was stating this.....

Canucks Furious Over Rick Tocchet-Flyers Rumors, Complain to NHL

The Vancouver Canucks are pushing back — hard — against the growing narrative linking head coach Rick Tocchet to a potential move to the Philadelphia Flyers.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[VancouverJagger]

The second Torts was out in Philly Tocchet was as good as gone from here; this will be his last real big kick at the can and if things work out he could make a fortune AND return to a place that he remembers fondly and who remembers him fondly as well which means he will have much more rope with which he can hang himself. They could suck for ages and they won't fire him...

Wrong wrong wrong and wronnnnngggggg. Like really really wrong.........

Canucks Furious Over Rick Tocchet-Flyers Rumors, Complain to NHL

The Vancouver Canucks are pushing back — hard — against the growing narrative linking head coach Rick Tocchet to a potential move to the Philadelphia Flyers.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[arttk]

That's not how team options work.

you have to wonder what is the point of these team options, the team exercises it and the coach is not happy because now they want more money.

 

[strattonius]

This Tocchet to Philly BS is the same sort of shit as those rumour mongering for Hughes to NJ......it's good press but just not ever gonna happen. Shame on anyone who actually was stating this.....

Canucks Furious Over Rick Tocchet-Flyers Rumors, Complain to NHL

The Vancouver Canucks are pushing back — hard — against the growing narrative linking head coach Rick Tocchet to a potential move to the Philadelphia Flyers.

www.yardbarker.com

It's not the same at all.

There's a decent chance Tocchet ends up in Philadelphia and almost a 0% chance Hughes ends up in New Jersey

End of the day it's all rumours and speculation but that doesn't mean some speculation is 'fear mongering BS'.

 

[VancouverJagger]

It's not the same at all.

There's a decent chance Tocchet ends up in Philadelphia and almost a 0% chance Hughes ends up in New Jersey

End of the day it's all rumours and speculation but that doesn't mean some speculation is 'fear mongering BS'.

How is Tocchet going to end up in Philly when we have a club option this year and the club has indicated they will exercise that if necessary?

 

[F A N]

you have to wonder what is the point of these team options, the team exercises it and the coach is not happy because now they want more money.

Ultimately it's a contract that can be negotiated however the parties want. It could be similar to Boudreau where if the option doesn't get picked up Boudreau gets some money. It could be that Tocchet gets a lot more money in the option year. There's nothing stopping the parties from negotiating an extension. For example, with a team option, the team can more easily negotiate an extension that is one less year than it would otherwise take since the coach is incentivized to sign the extension rather that coach out option year for less money that year.

I don't know when it became a trend to not go have a coach or GM go into the season in the last year of his contract (although it has become more common in recent years). I prefer not to have a lame duck coach but it isn't my money.

 

[kanucks25]

The bolded part is really not how the world works.

And what exactly was incorrect about what I said?

 

[arttk]

Ultimately it's a contract that can be negotiated however the parties want. It could be similar to Boudreau where if the option doesn't get picked up Boudreau gets some money. It could be that Tocchet gets a lot more money in the option year. There's nothing stopping the parties from negotiating an extension. For example, with a team option, the team can more easily negotiate an extension that is one less year than it would otherwise take since the coach is incentivized to sign the extension rather that coach out option year for less money that year.

I don't know when it became a trend to not go have a coach or GM go into the season in the last year of his contract (although it has become more common in recent years). I prefer not to have a lame duck coach but it isn't my money.

I think the weird part is if we pick up the option, somehow it’s considered as us “forcing” him to stay.

You negotiate those options in good faith where hey if the team exercises it, you shouldn’t be unhappy about it.

I think the BB thing is more complicated because that was agreement between owner and coach and management was not involved. With tocchet, it’s management, ownership and coach.

 

[sting101]

Or

JT Miller ain’t the only person the King wants off the team.

Yes the Marek interview and now this...."upper body injury"

Instead of remaining with the team for the final four games of the road trip, Pettersson returned to Vancouver.
His status for the team’s final eight games of the regular season remains to be seen.
“He’s skated, I think once or twice. Didn’t skate that hard. A little bit of discomfort,” Canucks head coach Rick Tocchet said Tuesday.
“It’s day to day. When a guy’s day to day, you expect him to play.”

Captain Quinn Hughes has missed time for a lower-body injury and sniper Brock Boeser was temporarily sidelined by a concussion. All-star goalie Thatcher Demko missed training camp and the beginning of the campaign as he worked his way back from a rare knee injury, then went down with another injury in February.
“There’s been a lot of things that've hit this team," Tocchet said. "And you’re looking for culture stuff, right? Who’s all in and who’s not? When you have a lot of guys all buying in, you can withstand some stuff

You think he wants to coach Pettersson as the "culture setting" ring leader for the team. EP40 is the antithesis of a Tocchet type of player not sure this tracks the way they want it to and see yet another top dawg in Vancouver getting tuned out and then axed by not being able to see eye to eye with Petey

 

[Isi]

How is Tocchet going to end up in Philly when we have a club option this year and the club has indicated they will exercise that if necessary?

We've seen a lot of insane things with the Canucks. Entering next season with Tocchet on an one year deal as a result of Tocchet not signing any new contract would be right up there.

 

[DFAC]

Team ranks almost dead last in most offensive metrics and somehow most teams would love to hire this guy?

 

[LordBacon]

Dont think Tocchet is a part of the team's problem,
but I'd anticipate that we'd be looking at a new coaching group in 2 years.

It's just how it goes in Vancouver.

 

[F A N]

I think the weird part is if we pick up the option, somehow it’s considered as us “forcing” him to stay.

You negotiate those options in good faith where hey if the team exercises it, you shouldn’t be unhappy about it.

I completely agree. It's this entitlement that people in hockey have that if you're "forced" to coach or GM the last year of your contract you're somehow a "lame duck."

I think the BB thing is more complicated because that was agreement between owner and coach and management was not involved. With tocchet, it’s management, ownership and coach.

We don't know if the reported team option for Tocchet is structured similarly than Boudreau's. I'm thinking not as there's no reported option of Tocchet opting out (something that Boudreau head). So in that sense, Boudreau's team option is more complicated because it is a two step process where if the team picks up the option year the coach still can say no and walk away. It doesn't sound like Tocchet has the same walkaway option so it would be as simple as the team deciding whether to pick up the option year or not. I do suspect that Tocchet gets some form of payment if the option isn't picked up.

I am honestly quite frustrated with the messaging. This isn't a Rod Brind'Amour situation where the owner and the GM constantly re-affirmed that they want RBA back and a deal will get done. Canucks management could have gotten in front of this and said that there is a team option and either say they will evaluate everything at the end of the year or say they will hopefully work out a longer term extension. Heck they could have rewarded Tocchet last year with a 2 year extension that at least turned the option into an actual contract year.