To the Dubas fans on here
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Larcos_Unal
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Goddamn the Wonder Boy flamed out pretty disastrously. Had the cushiest job in hockey at the age of 37, Shanny decides to turn his back on him when he came back and asked for more $$$$.
Used the family as a bargaining chip, pretty mercenary behaviour...I kinda have to respect it lol.
Used the family as a bargaining chip, pretty mercenary behaviour...I kinda have to respect it lol.
A1LeafNation
Good, is simply not good enough!
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Not infallible. He made mistakes, but he's done a great job.
Aside from the moves you listed, there are about 200 other moves that were great and to win significantly more bets than you lose is a hard thing as a GM in the NHL.
There's a reason why smart teams like PIT and COL have asked for him to be GM in the past.
Aside from the moves you listed, there are about 200 other moves that were great and to win significantly more bets than you lose is a hard thing as a GM in the NHL.
There's a reason why smart teams like PIT and COL have asked for him to be GM in the past.
If it’s true that he was going to trade Knies + 1st round picks for Fleury + Hagel I’m not even mad he’s gone.
That’s a fireable offence.
That’s a fireable offence.
What? That was the trade he turned down. Chicago asked for that
A1LeafNation
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Chicago asked. He said no.
Rob Brown
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Every GM has a list of bad to average moves that look bad or didn't work out in retrospect. To have a better idea of why someone is liked or disliked, and if you seriously want to know, then look at the body of work and objectively look on it if you can.
When you can't accept anything other than pure vitriol and negativity, we all know where it leads and there's no serious conversation to be had.
When you can't accept anything other than pure vitriol and negativity, we all know where it leads and there's no serious conversation to be had.
HomelessPepper
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I was not Dubas' biggest fan. There were plenty of moves and decisions that I did not like over the two or three years in particular: the Murray trade, the Foligno trade, acquiring Gustafsson instead of an additional pick, keeping Keefe around.
Let me flip your question around though: You are asking if others recognize Dubas' follies, but do you recognize the good that he did? Managing the cap through the pandemic. Rebuilding the defence. Building out a strong supporting cast with little cap. Strong drafting.
Do you give him get credit for Jake Muzzin, Michael Bunting, Connor Timmins, David Kampf, TJ Brodie, Matthew Knies, and Topi Niemala? What about for the moves he didn't make? What about not moving William Nylander for Tyler Myers or some comparably shit defenseman like virtually every pundit in this city was demanding?
What about your opinions on the deals on you listed? Did you hate the Kadri trade at the time? Did you hate the Foligno one? I'd like see the receipts on that. Because I remember everyone wanting Kadri gone after yet another playoff suspension. I remember myself being really skeptical of the Foligno trade but a loud contingent of fans being for it, the very same contingent that is heavily critical of Dubas as GM. I remember posts this trade deadline insisting that Dubas had "finally figured it out" in acquiring ROR until, of course, we lost and he was back to being a soft, no-nothing glasses man.
Let me flip your question around though: You are asking if others recognize Dubas' follies, but do you recognize the good that he did? Managing the cap through the pandemic. Rebuilding the defence. Building out a strong supporting cast with little cap. Strong drafting.
Do you give him get credit for Jake Muzzin, Michael Bunting, Connor Timmins, David Kampf, TJ Brodie, Matthew Knies, and Topi Niemala? What about for the moves he didn't make? What about not moving William Nylander for Tyler Myers or some comparably shit defenseman like virtually every pundit in this city was demanding?
What about your opinions on the deals on you listed? Did you hate the Kadri trade at the time? Did you hate the Foligno one? I'd like see the receipts on that. Because I remember everyone wanting Kadri gone after yet another playoff suspension. I remember myself being really skeptical of the Foligno trade but a loud contingent of fans being for it, the very same contingent that is heavily critical of Dubas as GM. I remember posts this trade deadline insisting that Dubas had "finally figured it out" in acquiring ROR until, of course, we lost and he was back to being a soft, no-nothing glasses man.
Kadri nixed a better deal to Calgary and needed to go. This revisionist history littered with hamfisted hindsight about how it would have just dandy for him to stay is ridiculous. Doing that two years in a row in the playoffs? You gotta cut bait man.
Goalie depth is important, it was a fine risk that didn't pay off. They were afraid of a string of injuries that could have left them exposed (Michael Hutchinson)
Would have been good value if Foligno didn't literally die
Didn't happen
Probably his worst decision, yeah
Not great but some blame goes to Lamoriello who treated them like garbage during their rookie contract negotiations. They were out for blood and they got it.
Marchment was a nobody, sometimes players find it other places. We gotta get over this, at the time it definitely looked like Malgin had more NHL upside. Are we mad at Lou for trading Verhaeghe when he was a complete random?
He took two goalie risks in hopes that atleast 1 would pay off. Sammy did. Would you rather have gone for Campbell? Husso?? All things considered, he did fine on this front.
I like Kyle, he was a good GM. He made some poor choices but so does every GM. Overall he had a track record of finding value for cheap when surrounded with a hand he was dealt (A core that was built by someone else). Jarnkrok, Bunting, Brodie, Muzzin, Timmins, Kampf, Giordano, etc. He had a way of acquiring talent and keeping the cap at bay. We forget that those contracts were signed when it was virtual guarantee the cap was noticeably going up. Covid hit and that changed overnight.
You don't have to love him, he did a fine job.
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Dufus apologists have alot of egg on their face hahahaha we all told you but we were the dumb ones eh
This shows that players can really f over others when they handcuff the team over money (especially marner/nylander pulling his stunt skipping training camp) they played dubas like a fiddle who was young and new and they never showed up to play when he needed them. Lots of players play hard ball with money but they usually come through when they need to... Doubt these guys really care and it isnt their fault for chasing the money but they really took advantage of dubas. Which I guess is part of the business. Oh well they get there money and keep there job while nice guy dubas is gone.. kind of sad to be honest.
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Letting Dubas "negotiate" another contract is far more terrifying than the uncertainty who takes his place. Worst negotiator in NHL history, I don't believe that's an embellishment
Dubas got handed what should have been a dynasty, created a giant mess around the core structure. Spends every year making ticky tack moves to try and rectify his giant mistake and fans marvel at his creativity as he smears around the mess he made in his pants at the outset.
Dubas got handed what should have been a dynasty, created a giant mess around the core structure. Spends every year making ticky tack moves to try and rectify his giant mistake and fans marvel at his creativity as he smears around the mess he made in his pants at the outset.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Fleeced Rutherford for McCann and then protected Holl. Loser.
HamiltonNHL
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saffronleaf
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People are forgetting what years under Nonis, Burke, Ferguson were like.
Deals happened with zero logic and you'd just hope things work out.
Deals happened with zero logic and you'd just hope things work out.
GoonieFace
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The story is he wanted to and Shanahan vetoed it. That’s the truth that I choose to believe
Stephen
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People have to understand the bar isn’t to be better than what the Leafs used to have during the Dark Ages but where they should be going.
Larcos_Unal
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If you're talking GM positions:
making millions per year
1st class organization where you have an unlimited budget to hire whoever you want
in a hockey mecca
original 6 franchise
internationally renowned brand
I guess being GM of the Coyotes probably gives being the Leafs GM a pretty close run
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