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To make the next step, what do we need?

Ehlers re-signs.

(Bonus need: hockey writers notice the hyphen in there that's doing the Lord's work, differentiating this good result from Ehlers giving up (i.e. 'resigning'))

Add middle 6 help.
Help on 2nd pair D.
Salo to 3rd pair D.
Stanley to Phantom Zone.
I sure hope he does
I would not boo him if he ends up elsewhere
 
I don't think any big name FA are signing here, it's not going to happen, we could get a B or C player though. We will either need to trade to get someone and give up a lot, or use who we have.

We need a big, punishing, stay at home D man to play with Morrisey to also protect him.... The blues just took run after run at him because there was zero retribution. That was rough to watch.

We obviously also need a 2C. I think that will have to come from a trade of our futures. No one is making the jump internally to the level we need unless we get a surprise next year.

We need a scoring solution on line 3. I don't mind Nino but he definitely has dropped off this year. He looked slow a lot of games. I'm ok with Lowry and Nino if we have someone with some goal scoring ability on that line as well. They don't have to be a sniper, just better than Appleton (who there's no way we should have back)

I really like Tanev but we don't need his cap hit. We can get zero points from anyone lol.
Someone like Ford seems to have that ability.

If we don't keep Elhers, I think we would be better off making the big trade (or fa if the planets align) for a center and trying out someone like Lambert or even moving over Names to wing. An internal solution.

We have to be harder to play against. The second line was a push over in the playoffs and not a threat. We need to have players people hate to play against. We don't really have that now. Not to say we don't have defensively minded players, just no one really plays with that edge that puts doubt in the opposition players. Would I love Bennet? Yup but there's zero chance he's coming here.
 
Pius Suter isn’t necessarily an upgrade over Namestnikov, but he’d be another cog in the team’s bench strength.

Maybe Nino speaks highly of Winnipeg to him. Can’t be worse than the Vancouver shit show he was in this past season.
 
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This team overperformed in the regular season. Great job by the coaching staff and the players. Even given the way the season ended, I feel like this was a successful year. Yeah, you want the 1st place team to go deeper in the playoffs, but frankly no one really had the Jets as President's Trophy contenders/winners this year. And frankly, two of the games against Dallas could have just as easily gone our way.

To get to the next level, this team needs to add grit. We need players that have that rare combination of hockey skill, plus grit and physicality - that is really a key differentiator in the post season. Not guys like Stan that generate grade A scoring chances against us whenever they try to land a big hit. The playoff game is different, the reffing is different, the punishment given out and taken is different. We don't have enough of that rare combination of hockey skill PLUS grit and toughness in key players. We need more players like (not necessarily these players, but like these players) the Tkachuk's, Brayden Schenn, Jamie Benn, Cory Perry (the old man), Sam Reinhardt, Chris Kreider, Evander Kane, Landeskog etc. And we need a coaching staff who will let the boys police the game when teams go after our star players.

Game 7 against St Louis will always be a great Jets memory for me.
 
These gritty skilled players are getting fewer and further between I'm afraid.

Trouba was one and Evander Kane another of ours that was exactly what this team has needed. We all know how that went.

We need to nail another or two. Is there even one in the draft this year ?
 
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This team overperformed in the regular season. Great job by the coaching staff and the players. Even given the way the season ended, I feel like this was a successful year. Yeah, you want the 1st place team to go deeper in the playoffs, but frankly no one really had the Jets as President's Trophy contenders/winners this year. And frankly, two of the games against Dallas could have just as easily gone our way.

To get to the next level, this team needs to add grit. We need players that have that rare combination of hockey skill, plus grit and physicality - that is really a key differentiator in the post season. Not guys like Stan that generate grade A scoring chances against us whenever they try to land a big hit. The playoff game is different, the reffing is different, the punishment given out and taken is different. We don't have enough of that rare combination of hockey skill PLUS grit and toughness in key players. We need more players like (not necessarily these players, but like these players) the Tkachuk's, Brayden Schenn, Jamie Benn, Cory Perry (the old man), Sam Reinhardt, Chris Kreider, Evander Kane, Landeskog etc. And we need a coaching staff who will let the boys police the game when teams go after our star players.

Game 7 against St Louis will always be a great Jets memory for me.
Very well said. Need as much as we can get.
 
Ehlers re-signs.

(Bonus need: hockey writers notice the hyphen in there that's doing the Lord's work, differentiating this good result from Ehlers giving up (i.e. 'resigning'))

Add middle 6 help.
Help on 2nd pair D.
Salo to 3rd pair D.
Stanley to Phantom Zone.
We used to just say extends…now everyone needs to say re-signs…weird
 
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That can be solved internally…Names, Barron, maybe Lambert… if from outside then Toews…it’s that elusive unicorn of a 2C we need, badly

We are likely going to need to solve that internally as well. We could get lucky again and some disgruntled 2C could end up on the market but I'm not betting on it.
 
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Probably just need to avoid having to play a grueling series like the Blues one. They were the best team for a reason. Having multiple players get injured and play injured against the Stars wasn't good. That Stars team wasn't great, Edmonton crushed them.

You can't just sign your way out of the issues we have. Either its a trade but then you got to give something up or its done internally
 
Interesting stat to show how officiating does matter and how the Jets get screwed every year in the playoffs.
The Blues were the headhunters going after the Jets top players and managed to knock Scheifele and Morrissey out but 2 of the top 5 penalty leaders are Jets.
 
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Interesting stat to show how officiating does matter and how the Jets get screwed every year in the playoffs.
The Blues were the headhunters going after the Jets top players and managed to knock Scheifele and Morrissey out but 2 of the top 5 penalty leaders are Jets.


I think it has a lot more to do with both Stanley and Schenn being far to slow to be NHL defenders in this era. Players that are to slow tend to take penalties. Plus they tend to go after players after the whistle and the league has been cracking down hard on after whistle shenanigans.
 
I think it has a lot more to do with both Stanley and Schenn being far to slow to be NHL defenders in this era. Players that are to slow tend to take penalties. Plus they tend to go after players after the whistle and the league has been cracking down hard on after whistle shenanigans.
The problem with your statement is why don't the rules apply to other teams I saw lots of scrums with no penalties called especially if the game is close. Sure when the game is out of reach they start throwing players out.
I guess you forgot when Schenn rubbed a Blues helmet off for a 2 minute penalty when it happened 4 times in two other series in the same week and NO penalties were called. I can give you numberous calls that were called against the Jets but in other series those are not penalties.
 
These gritty skilled players are getting fewer and further between I'm afraid.

Trouba was one and Evander Kane another of ours that was exactly what this team has needed. We all know how that went.

We need to nail another or two. Is there even one in the draft this year ?
McGro was supposed to be our next guy...
 
The problem with your statement is why don't the rules apply to other teams I saw lots of scrums with no penalties called especially if the game is close. Sure when the game is out of reach they start throwing players out.
I guess you forgot when Schenn rubbed a Blues helmet off for a 2 minute penalty when it happened 4 times in two other series in the same week and NO penalties were called. I can give you numberous calls that were called against the Jets but in other series those are not penalties.

If you look at those objectively they were scrums where a players helmet came off in a scuffle. Schenn literally grabbed the players helmet and pulled it off on purpose.
 
If you look at those objectively they were scrums where a players helmet came off in a scuffle. Schenn literally grabbed the players helmet and pulled it off on purpose.
give me a break lol, he rubbed his head and his helmet came off, it was a joke how many times we laughed in the around the league thread when people did way worse to guys and had their helmets come off yet no calls...
 
The problem with your statement is why don't the rules apply to other teams I saw lots of scrums with no penalties called especially if the game is close. Sure when the game is out of reach they start throwing players out.
I guess you forgot when Schenn rubbed a Blues helmet off for a 2 minute penalty when it happened 4 times in two other series in the same week and NO penalties were called. I can give you numberous calls that were called against the Jets but in other series those are not penalties.

You don't get 30+ PIMs in the playoffs off of just minors. Stanley got three 10 minute misconducts for starting scrums late in blowouts.
 
Getting back to what the Jets need to do to take it to the next level, it is probably give up some speed for toughness. As currently constructed we are a great regular season team, as proven by back to back years where we were 4th in points followed by 1st in points and winning the Presidents trophy. In the playoffs 2 paths seem to bring success. Out talent (elite players) other teams or out physical other teams if you have enough offense to still make this work. At this point the Jets seem to be caught a little bit in the middle. Going towards more toughness, with our current talent seems like a more plausible direction.
 
Getting back to what the Jets need to do to take it to the next level, it is probably give up some speed for toughness. As currently constructed we are a great regular season team, as proven by back to back years where we were 4th in points followed by 1st in points and winning the Presidents trophy. In the playoffs 2 paths seem to bring success. Out talent (elite players) other teams or out physical other teams if you have enough offense to still make this work. At this point the Jets seem to be caught a little bit in the middle. Going towards more toughness, with our current talent seems like a more plausible direction.

I disagree. It doesn't matter what your team archetype is it's all about talent. Florida isn't elite because they are big and gritty. They are elite because the elite players on the team are big and gritty and or drive the identity.

Adding grit just to add grit doesn't work. They need to add more high end players who fit into our identity. Our issue is we have too many bottom 6/middle 6 types.
 
I disagree. It doesn't matter what your team archetype is it's all about talent. Florida isn't elite because they are big and gritty. They are elite because the elite players on the team are big and gritty and or drive the identity.

Adding grit just to add grit doesn't work. They need to add more high end players who fit into our identity. Our issue is we have too many bottom 6/middle 6 types.
This seems like a little bit of semantics. All teams want talent that is big and gritty. The more talented your big and gritty is, the better your chances. My original point was, talent isn't the issue, but rather being able to have enough of that talent play a game that is tough enough that it can prove successful in the playoffs.
 
This seems like a little bit of semantics. All teams want talent that is big and gritty. The more talented your big and gritty is, the better your chances. My original point was, talent isn't the issue, but rather being able to have enough of that talent play a game that is tough enough that it can prove successful in the playoffs.

Then we aren't far off. The way you worded it sounded more like adding more Schenn types that don't have the foot speed to effectively play our schemes.

We need quick gritty players that can play in a top 6 role as those players will fit better in our high pressure forecheck schemes.

But I also disagree that we have enough talent, we don't. We have been ok running a bottom 6 caliber center on our second line and a fourth line caliber talent on our third.

Florida on the other hand has a top 6 full if top 6 players and have top 6 talent on their third line. That is the type of depth of skill you need.

We out hit Dallas by a mile but grit didn't matter as they had more depth of talent then us.
 
Besides Ehlers Resigning.

The CORE 4 Hopefully don't regress yet.

Then 1 of the young guys preferrably 2, makes the team and contribute.

Hoping to land a 2C in the UFA market, i already think that's not going to happen.
 

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