To make the next step, what do we need?

[Mortimer Snerd]

I do think Cole can replace Ehlers overall impact. Maybe not next year but I'd argue he will by the year after.

But yes I'd agree that we have Noone that is ready to replace Cole if Cole takes Ehelers role.

Cole can't replace Ehlers overall unless he can learn to skate like Ehlers. He can replace Ehlers' points but the overall impact is more than that.

We always get people saying things like this guy can replace that guy but when this guy is already making a contribution it is just rearranging the pieces. Somewhere a replacement needs to come from outside the current team, whether it is an acquisition or a promotion.

Assuming Ehlers is gone, we don't have anyone to replace him. It will hurt.

 

[surixon]

Cole can't replace Ehlers overall unless he can learn to skate like Ehlers. He can replace Ehlers' points but the overall impact is more than that.

We always get people saying things like this guy can replace that guy but when this guy is already making a contribution it is just rearranging the pieces. Somewhere a replacement needs to come from outside the current team, whether it is an acquisition or a promotion.

Assuming Ehlers is gone, we don't have anyone to replace him. It will hurt.

There are more ways to contribute overall then just being able to skate the puck through the nz.

Perfetti is already better defensively and showed more grit and physicality in the playoffs. If you get a gritty defensively superior player who scores the same as Ehelrs then yeah I'd take that as someone who contributes the same amount on aggregate.

 

[Crocket]

Perfetti might be our 2C option if Lambert can't make it.

Ehlers is probably gone.

Salomonsson should push for ice time. I'd like to see Heinola after a healthy off-season, easy to forget he stood out in camp 2 years ago when he broke his ankle.

But signing Fluery might be smart.

 

[Buffdog]

One thing that I'm really finding funny right now is how many people mocked the players for their "we need to each be 10% better next season" comments after getting caved by the Avs last year

They learned a lot this year, and i think that could result in another "10%". I think that even if Ehlers walks and we return a very similar team, they have the potential to go deep next spring

 

[Eyeseeing]

Corey Perry, couldnt play anymore either. Top old and slow. There's plenty of 37 year olds who are game changers right now in the playoffs.

Toews has the luxury of having 2 years off. There is absolutely no doubt he will play in the N next season and play well. I just hope its for the Jets

Not me.
But I may be in the minority.
I want someone younger and hungrier.
Toews was great but it’s not been for a long time now

 

[Buffdog]

Not me.
But I may be in the minority.
I want someone younger and hungrier.
Toews was great but it’s not been for a long time now

I'll reserve judgement on his ability to play until the time comes (if it does)

If he can keep up with the play, I'm fine with him playing limited minutes on the 4th line and PP

 

[Eyeseeing]

I'll reserve judgement on his ability to play until the time comes (if it does)

If he can keep up with the play, I'm fine with him playing limited minutes on the 4th line and PP

You think Toews will accept 4th line money
Fagheddaboudit

 

[surixon]

You think Toews will accept 4th line money
Fagheddaboudit

Jets will have plenty of cap space and they can give him a bonus laden deal

 

[Eyeseeing]

Jets will have plenty of cap space and they can give him a bonus laden deal

When has TNSE ever done bonus laden?
I’m asking sincerely

 

[surixon]

When has TNSE ever done bonus laden?
I’m asking sincerely

Who have they signed that has been eligible for it?

 

[10Ducky10]

Be prepared to pay KC 10.5 million if you want him to stay.

I don't have a problem with that.

 

[10Ducky10]

Nik will still be better than the majority of bottom 6 players in 7 years.
If he stays it’s north of 9 million for sure
If he goes to the Leafs because they Marner is gone , he’d get north of 10

How many bottom six players do you know that make north of 9 million?
A 63-point often injured winger isn't worth more than 9 million for 8 years unless it is for 5 years. I would give him 10 million for 5 years.

 

[Buffdog]

You think Toews will accept 4th line money
Fagheddaboudit

If there's mutual interest, Chevy will find a fair deal

 

[blueandgoldguy]

FACT: The Jets have never signed a top-6 forward UFA from another team to a long-term contract. Nor have they ever traded for a top-6 forward and signed them to a long-term extension in their 14 year history.

There is no reason to believe that will change this off-season. The best they can hope for is a trade for a top-6 forward with a year or two left on their contract.

I'm 50-50 on whether the Jets will actually sign Ehlers. As I said before it will likely take 9.5 - 10 million to accomplish this given the cap will rise by 27 million over the next 3 seasons and the lack of top-6 options this off-season in free agency.

Related to this, I have a sneaking suspicion True North will gradually distance itself from the cap as soon as next season and become a mid-cap team operating several million away from the ceiling...unless the dollar improves to well over .80US.

 

[SUX2BU]

To make the next step, what do we need?​

Without looking at the 8 pages generated:

-Winning a damn game on the road

-Stellar gialtending

-Secondary scoring

 

[JetsFan815]

What if his demand was a $100 M contract? 8 X 12.5M. That is a contract at any cost, so do you offer him that?

Come on, that is an unrealistic scenario, we all know he is not asking for anyway near that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There are more ways to contribute overall then just being able to skate the puck through the nz.

Perfetti is already better defensively and showed more grit and physicality in the playoffs. If you get a gritty defensively superior player who scores the same as Ehelrs then yeah I'd take that as someone who contributes the same amount on aggregate.

I don't think it is as simple as that. I'm not saying that Ehlers is irreplaceable. Of course he can be replaced. He could be exceeded. But he has effects beyond simply counting his points. Opponents have to react to him. They don't need to react to Perfetti.

 

[surixon]

I don't think it is as simple as that. I'm not saying that Ehlers is irreplaceable. Of course he can be replaced. He could be exceeded. But he has effects beyond simply counting his points. Opponents have to react to him. They don't need to react to Perfetti.

That is fine and I'm not indicating Cole can do some of things Ehelers can. I'm just saying that Cole has strengths to his game that Ehlers doesn't and vis versa. You can impact the game defensively, physically, posionally etc.

I mean would anyone now take Ehlers over Rheinhardt? There was a time when nobody would swap him for Sam but since he came into his physical peak his smarts and defense and ability to score has pushed him far ahead of fly. Smarts and positioning can make up for high level speed and skill.

 

[KingBogo]

Come on, that is an unrealistic scenario, we all know he is not asking for anyway near that.

I threw that number out as it is likely the range of the top winger number with Marner. How close to that do you pay?

 

[GNP]

To make the next step, what do we need?​

Without looking at the 8 pages generated:

-Winning a damn game on the road

-Stellar gialtending

-Secondary scoring

That’s about it in a nutshell. Don’t need to write a book on it. Simple stuff.

 

[DRW204]

I'd bring him in for leadership alone. I think he'd have a lot of wisdom to pass on to players like Cole. Wanted him last year to help Cole transition to the middle of the ice. If he's healthy and fit then there really is no downside that I can see.

What gives any indication there is weak leadership on this team?

Not everything on this team revolves around perfetti, who is probably outside or barely a top 10 most important piece in each of the past couple years.

 

[DRW204]

Come on, that is an unrealistic scenario, we all know he is not asking for anyway near that.

I don't think a single respected contract projection source has Ehlers at 10m+. It's usually around mid 8s. Ehlers is a great player but he's tier(s) below Rantanen or Marner. The Jets 8*8m I think is fair. Fits under Scheifele, much like their first contracts and a 7 year equivalent would be 9.1m. I don't know if GMs really care about term as much as HF posters.

 

[GNP]

You think Toews will accept 4th line money
Fagheddaboudit

I think he’ll accept 4 th line money, as teams won’t be lining up to sign him. He could turn out to be a big plus, like Perry has for the Oilers.

At 2 mil per year, I’d go that on Towes, providing he can pass all the physicals, which I’m sure he can.

The guy knows how to win, and has done so on every team he’s played for, and would set a good leadership example the team needs

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Proper 2C
Top 2 RHD
Playoff quality goalie
Possibly a top 6 RHW, If Ehlers leaves, which is likely, and Lambert can’t fill the need

That shopping list is incredibly expensive and nearly impossible to make happen.
If we brought in one of those (aside from an Ehlers re-signing) I would be surprised.

 

[kanadalainen]

You think Toews will accept 4th line money
Fagheddaboudit

FACT: I will take 4th line money. Rally the lads wi' o' bit o' Shakey, hit the ice, and be stretchered off 40 seconds later for the knee replacement ward at the Grace. I may not know how to win, but I like orange popsicles.