Tkachuk traded to Florida

[Egblad]

It'll be fine. Tkachuk will be a breath of fresh air for us. I like his confidence. I like that he isn't timid. Personally stoked he is here.

 

[Laus723]

A few on here come across defensive of any criticism thrown at Tkachuk. Whether it's from flames fans or Calgary players

I dont know how you read all the quotes from flames players regarding Tkachuk and only come out with the flames players being the toxic ones.

Insisting on becoming Captain makes Tkachuk look pretty arrogant, especially when if were being honest, the C is usually given to the best player on the team.

and it's unusual for teammates to be so candid about a former player when its usually your typical praise followed up with "it's a business" or praise of the player that was acquired as replacement.

Of course. The flames players don't look too good airing all this out either. But both can be true.

Ultimately though as long as Tkachuk performs, his supposed attitude issues unless significant, shouldn't be an issue.

This is the first anything about a captaincy was aired though, and I haven’t seen anything else to back it up. So, for now, it’s just a rumor. His brother is captain, though, and he probably wanted to also be captain since I don’t believe there was one after Gio. Not sure why that’s an issue, he wore an A and it’s a good goal. We have a captain, don’t see an issue here.

So far as Markstrom’s comments, I didn’t take them as a negative, he knows Huby from his days here, knows Weegar is a good defenseman 95% of the time and is going to a strong coach that’ll help that…and it looked bleak for a few weeks there. There’s suddenly life breathed into the team, of course he’s going to say that they’re better now. Maybe he’s right, but I didn’t take it as a slight.

So far as Flames fans go, they may be very right on their criticisms, lots of Panther fans have criticisms of Weegar and Huby. The issue is, on the main boards, the Cats fans are called out for sour grapes basically because the players are off the team. As if the frustrations weren’t there for some time. Imo, Panther fans are quick to defend themselves and their new player. I haven’t seen much criticism of Tkachuk until after he was gone, it was known he injured his hand, but once he wanted out, down came nonsense.

 

[pantherbot]

Outside fans know maybe a fraction of what goes on behind the scenes and we're just hearing little tidbits. Players also grow up and there are different personalities that may not mesh.

Hearing about how some older Flames wanted Tkachuk to tone things down because 'it's just a game in February' to me speaks more about their locker room than Tkachuk. Remember the Dougie Hamilton museum thing? Both of their best players just left in their primes, that's not normal.

Not long ago JT Miller was said to have attitude problems. Now he's seen as a key locker room guy for the Canucks.

These guys don't need to be friends outside the rink. Remember Barkov and Huber weren't even close off the ice. People don't need to be good buddies to work well together, they just need to get along while working. As long as they work together on the ice and play for the logo on their chest, they'll be fine.

 

[BabyBennettov]

This is the first anything about a captaincy was aired though, and I haven’t seen anything else to back it up. So, for now, it’s just a rumor. His brother is captain, though, and he probably wanted to also be captain since I don’t believe there was one after Gio. Not sure why that’s an issue, he wore an A and it’s a good goal. We have a captain, don’t see an issue here.

So far as Markstrom’s comments, I didn’t take them as a negative, he knows Huby from his days here, knows Weegar is a good defenseman 95% of the time and is going to a strong coach that’ll help that…and it looked bleak for a few weeks there. There’s suddenly life breathed into the team, of course he’s going to say that they’re better now. Maybe he’s right, but I didn’t take it as a slight.

So far as Flames fans go, they may be very right on their criticisms, lots of Panther fans have criticisms of Weegar and Huby. The issue is, on the main boards, the Cats fans are called out for sour grapes basically because the players are off the team. As if the frustrations weren’t there for some time. Imo, Panther fans are quick to defend themselves and their new player. I haven’t seen much criticism of Tkachuk until after he was gone, it was known he injured his hand, but once he wanted out, down came nonsense.

It’s the second-time I heard about Tkachuk and the Flames’ captaincy in the same « report »…

First time ?

It was when multiple sources reported that Matthew turned down an 8-year 11+M/year that would have made him the captain of their team.

So yeaaah… I’m taking the bittersweet comments from fans and teammates for what they are. Bittersweet.

Flames haven’t done shit in years… They needed a hard-nosed coach to come out of retirement to straighten that locker-room and team-play… When Darryl’s gone, I expect the Flames to get back to their old ways.

 

[Mogo]

That's nonsense lol. He wont be Captain here either does that means hes going to leave? Give me a break. Calgary looks to be a toxic dressing room. No wonder they wanted out.

Very toxic lockerroom over there was my same thought.

 

[16Skippy]

Very toxic lockerroom over there was my same thought.

Then it's a good thing we hired Maurice

 

[KW]

Then it's a good thing we hired Maurice

I think one big factor is the media. The Canadian hockey media. They have nothing else to do up there but talk about hockey 95% of the time so they talk hockey, and overanalyze everything. The microscope effect becomes irritating, annoying, non-appreciative. It’s “Canada” the “ruler of the hockey world, eh?” So anything less than a Stanley Cup is worthless shit to them. Winning the Cup is acceptable, because it was of course “expected”, because it’s Canada eh?

 

[Dread Clawz]

Found a nice interview with Matthew from his first season when he was 19ish. He is a very intelligent guy, I’m excited about what he brings to the locker room.

Yeah, don't let his physical game and aggressive nature fool you. He's a very intelligent kid and has a very high hockey IQ. Actually similarly to Huby, that's how he scores so many points with average skating.

 

[Felidae]

This is the first anything about a captaincy was aired though, and I haven’t seen anything else to back it up. So, for now, it’s just a rumor. His brother is captain, though, and he probably wanted to also be captain since I don’t believe there was one after Gio. Not sure why that’s an issue, he wore an A and it’s a good goal. We have a captain, don’t see an issue here.

Wanting to be captain is an admirable goal, it being a factor in him leaving the team as the former flames player stated isn't a good look.

Again, Tkachuk can be an arrogant ass, but as long he performs and it doesn't affect the locker room, then he's our ass.

So far as Markstrom’s comments, I didn’t take them as a negative, he knows Huby from his days here, knows Weegar is a good defenseman 95% of the time and is going to a strong coach that’ll help that…and it looked bleak for a few weeks there. There’s suddenly life breathed into the team, of course he’s going to say that they’re better now. Maybe he’s right, but I didn’t take it as a slight.

I dont recall the specifics, but I think it was perceived as a slight because the reporter wasn't asking a question like "are you an improved team with the new players"

So far as Flames fans go, they may be very right on their criticisms, lots of Panther fans have criticisms of Weegar and Huby. The issue is, on the main boards, the Cats fans are called out for sour grapes basically because the players are off the team. As if the frustrations weren’t there for some time. Imo, Panther fans are quick to defend themselves and their new player. I haven’t seen much criticism of Tkachuk until after he was gone, it was known he injured his hand, but once he wanted out, down came nonsense.

Yeah, that we've seen. I and many of us dont roam the flames boards and I doubt many fans of other teams lurk ours either.

Its why other fans wouldnt know Huberdeau has been the subject of much criticism for some time, and might have some misconceptions about Huberdeau's game.

Though I will say, I've seen complaints about Tkachuks playoff performances prior to the trade, but especially during this postseason. I also never saw flames fan push the idea that he's an overwhelming physical presence or PF, moreso a pest, and honestly, I thought that was what everyone thought.

 

[Laus723]

Wanting to be captain is an admirable goal, it being a factor in him leaving the team as the former flames player stated isn't a good look.

Again, Tkachuk can be an arrogant ass, but as long he performs and it doesn't affect the locker room, then he's our ass.




I dont recall the specifics, but I think it was perceived as a slight because the reporter wasn't asking a question like "are you an improved team with the new players"

Yeah, that we've seen. I and many of us dont roam the flames boards and I doubt many fans of other teams lurk ours either.

Its why other fans wouldnt know Huberdeau has been the subject of much criticism for some time, and might have some misconceptions about Huberdeau's game.

Though I will say, I've seen complaints about Tkachuks playoff performances prior to the trade, but especially during this postseason. I also never saw flames fan push the idea that he's an overwhelming physical presence or PF, moreso a pest, and honestly, I thought that was what everyone thought.

Again, it’s a rumor and it’s not been substantiated anywhere else. So, I’ll need to see more info please. again, they didn’t have a captain and he was gunning for it, we don’t know any of the details other than this rumor. People still think we’re going to drastically cut payroll because of an unsubstantiated rumor.

It was during the 32 Thoughts podcast that I listen to religiously as I drive a lot he was literally asked for his thoughts on the whole thing and didn’t speak poorly of them at all. He was specifically asked by Friedman “are you better,” to which he replied yes. It’s actually a great interview and the room doesn’t seem toxic at all.

starts at 7 minute mark.

I wander all over and am rarely in here, most of the bitching started once he was gone.

Matthew had a broken hand or at least a messed up hand. Huby and Weegs were quiet two playoffs in a row for who knows what reason.

 

[Laus723]

Very toxic lockerroom over there was my same
thought.

I don’t get that at all from the 32 Thoughts interview.

It’s the second-time I heard about Tkachuk and the Flames’ captaincy in the same « report »…

First time ?

It was when multiple sources reported that Matthew turned down an 8-year 11+M/year that would have made him the captain of their team.

So yeaaah… I’m taking the bittersweet comments from fans and teammates for what they are. Bittersweet.

Flames haven’t done shit in years… They needed a hard-nosed coach to come out of retirement to straighten that locker-room and team-play… When Darryl’s gone, I expect the Flames to get back to their old ways.

Right, who knows how truthful it is. They just lost Gudreau and were looking at losing Tkachuk and being shit again. It’s amazing they’re shit talking Tkachuk since he did things “the right way” by them. He could’ve just done the same thing but he didn’t.

 

[BabyBennettov]

Wanting to be captain is an admirable goal, it being a factor in him leaving the team as the former flames player stated isn't a good look.

Again, Tkachuk can be an arrogant ass, but as long he performs and it doesn't affect the locker room, then he's our ass.




I dont recall the specifics, but I think it was perceived as a slight because the reporter wasn't asking a question like "are you an improved team with the new players"

Yeah, that we've seen. I and many of us dont roam the flames boards and I doubt many fans of other teams lurk ours either.

Its why other fans wouldnt know Huberdeau has been the subject of much criticism for some time, and might have some misconceptions about Huberdeau's game.

Though I will say, I've seen complaints about Tkachuks playoff performances prior to the trade, but especially during this postseason. I also never saw flames fan push the idea that he's an overwhelming physical presence or PF, moreso a pest, and honestly, I thought that was what everyone thought.

So you don’t read ?

They gave him the C… He declined.

He didn’t want to stay in Western Canada with that team.

That’s it, that’s all. End of the story.

 

[BabyBennettov]

I don’t get that at all from the 32 Thoughts interview.


Right, who knows how truthful it is. They just lost Gudreau and we’re looking at losing Tkachuk and being shit again. It’s amazing they’re shit talking Tkachuk since he did things “the right way” by them. He could’ve just done the same thing but he didn’t.

Been reported by multiple well-known insiders… I know that sometimes media can create their own story to sell papers.

But they didn’t need to put all that in those reports… The Flames’ contract offer (and captaincy proposal) reports came AFTER Tkachuk deciding to leave reports… So it was once again to put some shit on the player… Or to let the fans know management gave it all to Tkachuk, so they can save their face !

Now that he has worked on a sign-and-trade with the Flames management, Canadian media has toned it down, even moreso since Huberdeau signed that new deal. Now management can feel good about themselves and brag about how their team is so great and how they are going forward.

Tkachuk WANTING to be the captain is proof of his determination and leadership… Tkachuk leaving BECAUSE he wasn’t named captain is false, and just a bad way from a bad teammate of trying to explain a personal choice that will always be that… a PERSONAL choice.

Tkachuk had every right to do what he did. And he handled all of it with class and respect to the Flames organization. People trying to put it any other way are just plain dumb and salty IMO.

 

[Laus723]

Been reported by multiple well-known insiders… I know that sometimes media can create their own story to sell papers.

But they didn’t need to put all that in those reports… The Flames’ contract offer (and captaincy proposal) reports came AFTER Tkachuk deciding to leave reports… So it was once again to put some shit on the player… Or to let the fans know management gave it all to Tkachuk, so they can save their face !

Now that he has worked on a sign-and-trade with the Flames management, Canadian media has toned it down, even moreso since Huberdeau signed that new deal. Now management can feel good about themselves and brag about how their team is so great and how they are going forward.

Tkachuk WANTING to be the captain is proof of his determination and leadership… Tkachuk leaving BECAUSE he wasn’t named captain is false, and just a bad way from a bad teammate of trying to explain a personal choice that will always be that… a PERSONAL choice.

Tkachuk had every right to do what he did. And he handled all of it with class and respect to the Flames organization. People trying to put it any other way are just plain dumb and salty IMO.

I hadn't seen or heard anything until yesterday, odd that the story they choose to come out with is the same with both brothers and them "demanding" the captaincy.

Agree that Matthew has handled this very well, he didn't talk about his discussions with Flames management on Andy Strickland's show and kept them between he and management, he's spoken very well of the Flames organization and gave them more than enough notice which allowed them to get the deal done that they were able to get.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Matthew Tkachuk will be the Shadow Captain of this team. Barkov will wear the C on the ice. But the locker room, and the voice, will belong to Tkachuk.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Matthew Tkachuk will be the Shadow Captain of this team. Barkov will wear the C on the ice. But the locker room, and the voice, will belong to Tkachuk.

Over Ekblad?

I'm thinking:

Barkov - Captain
Tkachuk- Asst
Ekblad-Asst

 

[Ghoste]

-ghoste

 

[FrolikFan67]

Over Ekblad?

I'm thinking:

Barkov - Captain
Tkachuk- Asst
Ekblad-Asst

Yeah I think both guys are more worthy captains. No problem with barky having an A though. Wish we had one of those bonafide leaders but Ekblad would be my choice. Has tenure, has been our best D for years now (among a thin D corp to begin with), a former #1 overall pick for us and rookie of the year. He’s shown his fire as well as his maturity. Definitely a more worthy choice but it’d be awkward for Maurice to strip bark of the C so hes probably keeping it forever to avoid any drama

 

[austropanther]

Yeah I think both guys are more worthy captains. No problem with barky having an A though. Wish we had one of those bonafide leaders but Ekblad would be my choice. Has tenure, has been our best D for years now (among a thin D corp to begin with), a former #1 overall pick for us and rookie of the year. He’s shown his fire as well as his maturity. Definitely a more worthy choice but it’d be awkward for Maurice to strip bark of the C so hes probably keeping it forever to avoid any drama

Until 2030, MT and Barky will be the cornerstones of our franchise. By handing out these contracts in black and white, our current and former GMs made this intention clear.

It is very likely that Ek will stay as long or even longer. But we know that Z does not take chances on such things.

A C on the chest is not supposed to be going around like a toothbrush in a hillbilly family. Ek should only get it when the long time path with him is clear - and even then I believe it would be odd if they took it away from Barky except if Barky was traded or gives it back himself.

Not really wanting to start a discussion of what makes a good captain. But there are all kinds of great captains with different traits. Currently we have a guy that leads by example: gives it all at any time, out on the ice in all crucial moments under pressure, practices like a maniac, a true gentleman on and off the ice... plenty of characteristics of a great captain.

I am with you, I prefer a guy that shows emotions and can wake up a team vocally. Nevertheless, Barky is a very good choice, and he will be for a long time. Maurice better not touch that topic, we had enough drama last year with Q.

 

[I am not exposed]

Yeah I think both guys are more worthy captains. No problem with barky having an A though. Wish we had one of those bonafide leaders but Ekblad would be my choice. Has tenure, has been our best D for years now (among a thin D corp to begin with), a former #1 overall pick for us and rookie of the year. He’s shown his fire as well as his maturity. Definitely a more worthy choice but it’d be awkward for Maurice to strip bark of the C so hes probably keeping it forever to avoid any drama

Ekblad will be gone in a couple of years so no point making him captain....

 

[Ghoste]

Excited to hear about Chucky’s high IQ. We heard from Buffalo fans about Reino’s high IQ and he was fantastic last season.

-ghoste

 

[Felidae]

Until 2030, MT and Barky will be the cornerstones of our franchise. By handing out these contracts in black and white, our current and former GMs made this intention clear.

It is very likely that Ek will stay as long or even longer. But we know that Z does not take chances on such things.

A C on the chest is not supposed to be going around like a toothbrush in a hillbilly family. Ek should only get it when the long time path with him is clear - and even then I believe it would be odd if they took it away from Barky except if Barky was traded or gives it back himself.

Not really wanting to start a discussion of what makes a good captain. But there are all kinds of great captains with different traits. Currently we have a guy that leads by example: gives it all at any time, out on the ice in all crucial moments under pressure, practices like a maniac, a true gentleman on and off the ice... plenty of characteristics of a great captain.

I am with you, I prefer a guy that shows emotions and can wake up a team vocally. Nevertheless, Barky is a very good choice, and he will be for a long time. Maurice better not touch that topic, we had enough drama last year with Q.

Agreed, and honestly, the C is overvalued anyways.

Regardless of who wears it, I wouldn't be surprised to find out there's a few other leaders in a lockerroom, with different traits of what makes them captain material.

 

[Felidae]

Excited to hear about Chucky’s high IQ. We heard from Buffalo fans about Reino’s high IQ and he was fantastic last season.

-ghoste

Yep. Say what you will about Calgary fans, but almost all seem to agree this is one of his best attributes.

I think his game won't take as much of a toll on him as some may think. He's not overly physical or reliant on athleticism. The fact he still produces despite concerns of his skating is a good thing. There's been numerous examples of slow/average skaters but intelligent players aging gracefully.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Ekblad will be gone in a couple of years so no point making him captain....

That’s a very real possibility. If he wants a new contract for the full 8yrs at top dollar, I could see zito balking at that. He still has plenty of good years left, but between his already below average speed combined with the injuries, I don’t see him aging well. He can still be a serviceable defender given his offensive ability and his hockey IQ, but I could see the second half of that 8yr deal looking pretty rough considering the money he’ll most likely get. A 5yr deal would be perfect, 8 would be rough imo

 

[FrolikFan67]

Until 2030, MT and Barky will be the cornerstones of our franchise. By handing out these contracts in black and white, our current and former GMs made this intention clear.

It is very likely that Ek will stay as long or even longer. But we know that Z does not take chances on such things.

A C on the chest is not supposed to be going around like a toothbrush in a hillbilly family. Ek should only get it when the long time path with him is clear - and even then I believe it would be odd if they took it away from Barky except if Barky was traded or gives it back himself.

Not really wanting to start a discussion of what makes a good captain. But there are all kinds of great captains with different traits. Currently we have a guy that leads by example: gives it all at any time, out on the ice in all crucial moments under pressure, practices like a maniac, a true gentleman on and off the ice... plenty of characteristics of a great captain.

I am with you, I prefer a guy that shows emotions and can wake up a team vocally. Nevertheless, Barky is a very good choice, and he will be for a long time. Maurice better not touch that topic, we had enough drama last year with Q.

Well I definitely agree that it won’t happen. Not saying he’s the worst choice, but there are certainly better choices. I’m hoping that if they can consistently make it to the playoffs, and actually last for more than a single round each time, that he’ll begin to embrace the playoffs for what they truly are. They’ve been a couple times for a couple games each time and then out. Instead of being some event that they’re not that used to attending, it’ll hopefully become a place they expect to be at each year and know the ropes. When you’ve seen the beast enough times you’ll start to learn what it’ll take to slay it. So I’m hoping in time we see another side to him, to some extent at least. He certainly leads in other ways, such as his commitment to training, but he’s not a typical leader who would be at the head of a group of men going to war