Confirmed with Link: TJ Brodie - 2 x 3.75M

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

i honestly don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

i wasn't intending to ascribe anything to you. i was using an aside to air one of my bug bears because it is adjacent to the conversation, and bolsters my point.

if that's the complaint, it sounds like a pretty good problem to have. to the point that it doesn't even really sound like a complaint.

again, i don't really see much of a problem. let them play in the ahl until they can show unequivocally that they deserve to play over a 35 year old brodie or a 36 year old martinez.

Korchinski couldn't play in the AHL. Vlasic could. Korchinski would have played in the NHL over Vlasic.

My issue is that you can play really well in the AHL but it doesn't prove you can play in the NHL because lots of AAAA guys can do the former. You can't prove you're a better NHL option if you're not playing in the NHL. And even then our coach will play veterans like Tinordi over you. I want to give two spots instead of one for guys to prove they can play at this level.

 

[statswatcher]

Korchinski couldn't play in the AHL. Vlasic could. Korchinski would have played in the NHL over Vlasic.

counter factuals are frustrating because they are exactly that, contra the facts of the matter. i think if korch could have played in the ahl last year that’s where he would have started. you seem to disagree. neither of us can really substantiate what might have been, so very little reason in litigating fantasies.

My issue is that you can play really well in the AHL but it doesn't prove you can play in the NHL because lots of AAAA guys can do the former.

you gotta start somewhere, and i don’t see how you prove you can play at the nhl level any better being gifted a spot on a bottom feeder team and getting absolutely creamed pike korch did this past year.

there’s a spot for a prospect like you said, and there will be another spot when murphy inevitably explodes in one way or another. patience is a virtue, particularly with prospective defenders in my view.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

counter factuals are frustrating because they are exactly that, contra the facts of the matter. i think if korch could have played in the ahl last year that’s where he would have started. you seem to disagree. neither of us can really substantiate what might have been, so very little reason in litigating fantasies.


you gotta start somewhere, and i don’t see how you prove you can play at the nhl level any better being gifted a spot on a bottom feeder team and getting absolutely creamed pike korch did this past year.

there’s a spot for a prospect like you said, and there will be another spot when murphy inevitably explodes in one way or another. patience is a virtue, particularly with prospective defenders in my view.

Korchinski should have started in the AHL but he couldn't. He was given a NHL roster spot. This year we've got Allen, KK, EDM, Phillips, Crevier, and Kaiser competing for one spot when all are close. On paper that's great. In reality if two or three prove in camp and preseason they should be on the roster it doesn't matter because we have one open spot to play every day and a spot to sit in the press box.

 

[giza]

In a perfect world, he would have gone to the AHL, but not an option. In a slightly less perfect world, he would have played less minutes if the Hawks had 4 competent D to enable that. Korchinski was over-used and over-exposed. He'll get better .....what doesn't kill you, helps you.

 

[statswatcher]

Korchinski should have started in the AHL but he couldn't. He was given a NHL roster spot. This year we've got Allen, KK, EDM, Phillips, Crevier, and Kaiser competing for one spot when all are close. On paper that's great. In reality if two or three prove in camp and preseason they should be on the roster it doesn't matter because we have one open spot to play every day and a spot to sit in the press box.

first, this is only a problem if you assume that one of those prospects is about to take a step comparable to the one vlasic took. not impossible, but i would wager rather improbable. that kind of coming out of nowhere doesn’t necessarily happen every year. second, to reiterate, this is only a problem if you assume the d core stays healthy all year. otherwise, there will be plenty of opportunities for the kids to come up and prove that they are truly indispensable. that gives you a piece to flip at the deadline. i will say again: these seem like good problems to have.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

first, this is only a problem if you assume that one of those prospects is about to take a step comparable to the one vlasic took. not impossible, but i would wager rather improbable. that kind of coming out of nowhere doesn’t necessarily happen every year. second, to reiterate, this is only a problem if you assume the d core stays healthy all year. otherwise, there will be plenty of opportunities for the kids to come up and prove that they are truly indispensable. that gives you a piece to flip at the deadline. i will say again: these seem like good problems to have.

Injuries happen and agreed its improbable but if they don't for eight weeks we're playing a bunch of thirty year olds in a season we're finishing fifth last?

 

[statswatcher]

Injuries happen and agreed its improbable but if they don't for eight weeks we're playing a bunch of thirty year olds in a season we're finishing fifth last?

then the young guys get more experience in the A, you get a solid lottery pick, martinez comes off the books next year so you have two spots open, and you look forward to a future where you aren’t bargain bin hunting for any warm body that can half ass play nhl defense.

nothing about the rebuild is going to be ideal, whatever ideal means to whoever. my approach is sit back and wait to care until there are meaningful games to be played.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Jfresh ran Brodie card and his 3 year weighted AVG for WAR went from 70% 3 years ago, 100% 2 years ago and 25% last year. so there is a chance of some regression back to a serviceable player. I did not know he was that good a year before. his father passed away early SEPT of cancer so that probably had alot to do with his off season training and mental state.

 

[slappipappi]

Hate this. I thought we were done tanking?

Brodie is toast.

First bad signing of the off season.

He averaged close to 22 minutes last year, 2nd on the a leafs.

He us far from toast.

Especially if they manage his minutes better.

 

[Wally1112pac]

He averaged close to 22 minutes last year, 2nd on the a leafs.

He us far from toast.

Especially if they manage his minutes better.

The team healthy scratched him near the end of the season and wasn't comfortable playing him in the playoffs.

He was a liability against Boston.

He's toast.

 

[ClydeLee]

The team healthy scratched him near the end of the season and wasn't comfortable playing him in the playoffs.

He was a liability against Boston.

He's toast.

He was asked to constantly do too much for Toronto defensively and still dealing all year mentally struggling.

"I'd just like to him to clear his head," Keefe said of Brodie. "He's had a tough go here right from the beginning of training camp all the way through. And because of the demands that we put on him, he hasn't really had time to breathe and regroup and find himself. And I think that's kind of where we're at.

He may be 3rd RD here, not expected to carry a team and further out from his father's passing. It's far too silly to say toast when he can be given a minor role

 

[statswatcher]

there’s a greater than zero chance brodie is better than murphy this season lol

 

[Puckstuff]

This has "whipping boy" written all over it

Leaf fan coming in peace.

Brodie was an absolute beast from 2020-2023 for the Leafs. I'm talking Chris Tanev level shutdown ability. The Leafs had no problem using him as the #1 shutdown guy. On a team with Morgan Rielly, I don't think it's a stretch to say Brodie was our best d-man most nights. He can move the puck and he can defend. However, in 2023-24, his play really dropped off dramatically. I'm not sure what happened, but he wasn't the same d-man in 23-24. He went from a top 3 d-man to barely being a guy we wanted in the top 6. He made a lot of errors, and when Treliving came in (the guy who let him walk in Calgary), his play crippled even more. An in form T.J Brodie is very effective and an out of form Brodie is bad. But he was more consistent than not consistent during his time in Toronto. So if you get a rebound from Brodie, he could be a legitimate top 4 D for you guys and a guy who can play a good defensive game and move the puck. At 34, it's not unreasonable you squeak out 2 more good years out of him if he's healthy and ready to go. I think it's a good gamble to bet on him getting back to form, but there's obviously some risk here and he is undersized. Good shutdown D when in form, but he was out of form in his last year in Toronto.

 

[Styles]

Leaf fan coming in peace.

Brodie was an absolute beast from 2020-2023 for the Leafs. I'm talking Chris Tanev level shutdown ability. The Leafs had no problem using him as the #1 shutdown guy. On a team with Morgan Rielly, I don't think it's a stretch to say Brodie was our best d-man most nights. He can move the puck and he can defend. However, in 2023-24, his play really dropped off dramatically. I'm not sure what happened, but he wasn't the same d-man in 23-24. He went from a top 3 d-man to barely being a guy we wanted in the top 6. He made a lot of errors, and when Treliving came in (the guy who let him walk in Calgary), his play crippled even more. An in form T.J Brodie is very effective and an out of form Brodie is bad. But he was more consistent than not consistent during his time in Toronto. So if you get a rebound from Brodie, he could be a legitimate top 4 D for you guys and a guy who can play a good defensive game and move the puck. At 34, it's not unreasonable you squeak out 2 more good years out of him if he's healthy and ready to go. I think it's a good gamble to bet on him getting back to form, but there's obviously some risk here and he is undersized. Good shutdown D when in form, but he was out of form in his last year in Toronto.

Choose violence next time. Coming in peace is cringe.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

You guys got a beauty. Wait til you see him backhand sauce a 110 ft pass right onto Bedard's tape while shutting down the other team's best. Yeah he had a tough year. He bounced back from a tough 2017-18 too.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Brian Burke stated recently he is a big fan of T J .

 

[Space umpire]

I like this move more than I do adding Martinez. Nobody looks good being paired with Rielly.
Check the highlights Reilly was directly responsible for both goals against in a 2-1 loss that took the Leafs out of the playoffs.
Posters complain about KK’s defense as a rookie. I think he tried hard and will learn. Reilly mostly didn’t try.

 

[AmericanDream]

He can be a Jake McCabe here for us, just lead by example- 18 plus minutes a night, doesn't need to anchor the top pair..I am sure he will do well in this environment with way less pressure, solid depth around him allowing him to do what he does best. I would suspect like McCabe his career revives and allows us to move him somewhere to compete for a cup getting a nice return in the process.

 

[BobbyJet]

Choose violence next time. Coming in peace is cringe.

The Leafs fan was right. TJ looked especially awful in the last half of last season, to the point where he only got into 1 playoff game. This resurrection project is something I'd expect from Stan, not J.D. The acquisition of veteran Dmen is a bit puzzling to me.

The young Dmen in the org have their work cut out for them - hopefully Luke won't gift the vets ice time and will give the young guys like Allan, Kaiser and eventually Levshunov a decently long leash to prove they can play in this league.

 

[DeletedUser539]

The Leafs fan was right. TJ looked especially awful in the last half of last season, to the point where he only got into 1 playoff game. This resurrection project is something I'd expect from Stan, not J.D. The acquisition of veteran Dmen is a bit puzzling to me.

The young Dmen in the org have their work cut out for them - hopefully Luke won't gift the vets ice time and will give the young guys like Allan, Kaiser and eventually Levshunov a decently long leash to prove they can play in this league.

Having competition is a good thing for the prospects gets them to work harder and push more also its better to keep the young guys away from a losing/tank team environment getting them incorporated into at least a somewhat competitive bubble team is better so having vet place holders is good while you guys figure out how to fill out/structure the roster and let your younger players add more polish and stew a little more hopefully ensuring you get the best out of your prospects

 

[Mrfenn92]

Due $3.225 million salary next year, with $2.45 million coming in a signing bonus im assuming beginning of league year or around that time. Due $775k in season salary.
Maybe after the bonus is paid it’s contract termination time for both sides

 

[Putt Pirate]

Due $3.225 million salary next year, with $2.45 million coming in a signing bonus im assuming beginning of league year or around that time. Due $775k in season salary.
Maybe after the bonus is paid it’s contract termination time for both sides

Or buy him out. Hopefully our GM is done with the geezers.

 

[statswatcher]

there’s a greater than zero chance brodie is better than murphy this season lol

guess it wasn't much greater than zero after all

 

[clydesdale line]

Due $3.225 million salary next year, with $2.45 million coming in a signing bonus im assuming beginning of league year or around that time. Due $775k in season salary.
Maybe after the bonus is paid it’s contract termination time for both sides

Jesus f***ing Christ I thought he got extended. Don't scare me like that.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Or buy him out. Hopefully our GM is done with the geezers.

buying him out saves a small amount next year but then a hit in 2 years. better just pay him the signing bonus and send him down to AHL then mutally agree to terminate his contract and he can sign with a playoff team at League min and does not cost hawks or him really anything.