Tim Stutzle (OTT) vs Auston Matthews (TOR) Who is better defensively?

[HockeyVirus]

Why not? He had a more productive d+3 season despite being 4 months younger and playing on a worse team. There's no reason Stutzle couldn't reach or even surpass Matthews, especially in the playoffs.

Feel free to think whatever you like.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Feel free to think whatever you like.

I do, but I am asking what makes you so sure that "Stutzle will NEVER be as good as Matthews". Stutzle is arguably ahead of Matthews at the same stage in their careers, leading his team in scoring as a 20 year old while Matthews finished 3rd on the Leafs as a 21 year old, so I am curious.

If you're just being a homer that's fine.

 

[dirtydanglez]

We're not the ones making new polls for reassurance.

Now make one about which player is older.

werent the other two polls started by sens fans?

 

[Metroid]

OP is not even a leaf fan.... this is a troll job

 

[NyQuil]

werent the other two polls started by sens fans?

No they both were not.

 

[AvroArrow]

A Leafs vs Senators round 1 match up is inevitable. I look forward to seeing you all there.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I sympathize with this, just getting frustrating having the same topic hammered over and over and having the same arguments over and over.

Yes I can ignore it, but these are rage bait threads meant to drive clicks. The same topic over and over meant to keep drama going between our fanbases. By my count we have had 7 Stutzle vs Matthews polls since the last time either played an actual NHL game, with 4 of them being in the past 2 weeks.

For a guy who said he literally doesn't care, why are you posting in these threads?

 

[Metroid]

For a guy who said he literally doesn't care, why are you posting in these threads?

Leaf posts on HFboards are the places to be. Always rockin'

 

[HockeyVirus]

For a guy who said he literally doesn't care, why are you posting in these threads?

Sorry, where in that post did I say I didn't care? But no worries, I am done with these threads. I enjoy some shit talking and chirping but we are going into insanity with the same thing over and over. I'll be back when we have some new stuff to talk about.

And if you re-read my post, my point stands. We have far too many of the same polls that are just meant to continue igniting the same people into the same arguments over and over with no new data or sample. And so, if people want to think Matthews is garbage or whatever I don't really care if they do anymore. I'll just be enjoying watching hockey and star talent.

 

[NyQuil]

And so, if people want to think Matthews is garbage or whatever I don't really care if they do anymore. I'll just be enjoying watching hockey and star talent.

What is this hyperbole?

He’s destroying Stutzle in this poll and the reason why Tim is leading the other one is largely because of his contract.

Garbage?

 

[Skolman]

What is this hyperbole?

He’s destroying Stutzle in this poll and the reason why Tim is leading the other one is largely because of his contract.

Garbage?

Victim complex man, everywhere.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

AM34 finally wins a poll ! Just had to exclude the contract!!

What is this hyperbole?

He’s destroying Stutzle in this poll and the reason why Tim is leading the other one is largely because of his contract.

Garbage?

Yeah and also the other poll is quite close considering contracts are included. Leafs fans should actually be happy with the results from that poll that includes contracts , its pretty close , timmy is pretty good and at that cap hit taking him over AM34 isn't some kind of disrespect like they are making it sound

 

[NyQuil]

Yeah and also the other poll is quite close considering contracts are included. Leafs fans should actually be happy with the results from that poll that includes contracts , its pretty close , timmy is pretty good and at that cap hit taking him over AM34 isn't some kind of disrespect like they are making it sound

I don’t get it.

 

[Breakers]

Matthews
not close

I think Matthews is somewhere between his 21/22 and 22/23 seasons in terms of his impact defensively

Stutzle has not come close to Matthews peaks with his defensive impact in his young career

 

[dirtydanglez]

Sorry, where in that post did I say I didn't care? But no worries, I am done with these threads. I enjoy some shit talking and chirping but we are going into insanity with the same thing over and over. I'll be back when we have some new stuff to talk about.

And if you re-read my post, my point stands. We have far too many of the same polls that are just meant to continue igniting the same people into the same arguments over and over with no new data or sample. And so, if people want to think Matthews is garbage or whatever I don't really care if they do anymore. I'll just be enjoying watching hockey and star talent.

they are just trying to troll you.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Sorry, where in that post did I say I didn't care? But no worries, I am done with these threads. I enjoy some shit talking and chirping but we are going into insanity with the same thing over and over. I'll be back when we have some new stuff to talk about.

And if you re-read my post, my point stands. We have far too many of the same polls that are just meant to continue igniting the same people into the same arguments over and over with no new data or sample. And so, if people want to think Matthews is garbage or whatever I don't really care if they do anymore. I'll just be enjoying watching hockey and star talent.

You said that in the other poll but then continued to post.

You keep saying that you don't care, but then have a blown fuse whenever it happens.

 

[HockeyVirus]

they are just trying to troll you.

I'm aware, and I let myself get sucked into the shenanigans the last few days. Especially as another poster enjoys finding my threads and telling me I am just making a thread for people to argue then does the same thing. It is not worth the energy and I don't feel like making the mods job harder either by engaging with them at this point.

When the season starts, I am more than happy to talk about that. But pretty tired of having the same discussion over and over. We get it, people think Matthews scores 0 points in the playoffs and isn't worth his money. They can think what they want. I still get to enjoy watching him play as a maple leaf and that is good enough for me.

 

[Skolman]

I'm aware, and I let myself get sucked into the shenanigans the last few days. Especially as another poster enjoys finding my threads and telling me I am just making a thread for people to argue then does the same thing. It is not worth the energy and I don't feel like making the mods job harder either by engaging with them at this point.

When the season starts, I am more than happy to talk about that. But pretty tired of having the same discussion over and over. We get it, people think Matthews scores 0 points in the playoffs and isn't worth his money. They can think what they want. I still get to enjoy watching him play as a maple leaf and that is good enough for me.

Again, victim complex.

Why do you feel so sorry for yourself & the Leafs?

"They can think what they want", even that's not true in your mind. You literally pout anytime someone says anything negative about the Leafs and accuse them of being a "Leafs hater".

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Imagine what you are likely to get with that difference in cap hit? Probably something like a 3rd liner who isn't much of a difference maker!

 

[NyQuil]

We get it, people think Matthews scores 0 points in the playoffs and isn't worth his money. They can think what they want. I still get to enjoy watching him play as a maple leaf and that is good enough for me.

88.7% of people think he's better than Stutzle defensively and you're in the thread complaining about it.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Imagine what you are likely to get with that difference in cap hit? Probably something like a 3rd liner who isn't much of a difference maker!

if its spent well chychrun if it's not korpisalo

 

[Golden_Jet]

I sympathize with this, just getting frustrating having the same topic hammered over and over and having the same arguments over and over.

Yes I can ignore it, but these are rage bait threads meant to drive clicks. The same topic over and over meant to keep drama going between our fanbases. By my count we have had 7 Stutzle vs Matthews polls since the last time either played an actual NHL game, with 4 of them being in the past 2 weeks.

We had 4 Pinto threads in the top 5 threads yesterday, no idea why they weren’t merged.

Looks like Hockey is back.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Why not? He had a more productive d+3 season despite being 4 months younger and playing on a worse team. There's no reason Stutzle couldn't reach or even surpass Matthews, especially in the playoffs.

League wide scoring was also higher this year than it was in Matthews d+3. Stutzle also averaged a minute and half more ice time per game on the powerplay as well to (thanks Babcock). Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

League wide scoring was also higher this year than it was in Matthews d+3. Stutzle also averaged a minute and half more ice time per game on the powerplay as well to (thanks Babcock). Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Scoring is up 5.6% from 2018-19 to 2022-23, and Stutzle's D+3 ppg was 7.5% higher than Matthews'.

Beyond that, Stutzle led his team in scoring by 7 points (his 82 game pace was 12 points clear of 2nd), while Matthews was 3rd on the Leafs and tied 2nd with Tavares in PPG. I do think Babcock had a negative impact on Matthews ability to put up numbers, but he was also on a better team with more talent. A lot of these things net out IMO.

At the worst, Matthews and Stutzle were on par with eachother in their D+3 years, but if an edge goes to anyone it's Stutzle IMO.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I'm aware, and I let myself get sucked into the shenanigans the last few days. Especially as another poster enjoys finding my threads and telling me I am just making a thread for people to argue then does the same thing. It is not worth the energy and I don't feel like making the mods job harder either by engaging with them at this point.

When the season starts, I am more than happy to talk about that. But pretty tired of having the same discussion over and over. We get it, people think Matthews scores 0 points in the playoffs and isn't worth his money. They can think what they want. I still get to enjoy watching him play as a maple leaf and that is good enough for me.

Please. Just look at your threads regarding the Oilers or better yet the Panthers.

No self awareness.