Larionov
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That scoring winger should be Drake Batherson, who completely disappeared in this series. 1 goal and 1 assist in six games just doesn't cut it...
Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI
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It was a low-event series at 5 on 5.
Neither team was gambling to give up defensive positioning.
In that kind of series, you do hope that your PP can make the difference. Our 20% just wasn't good enough against Toronto's 35%, and that obviously includes top six guys like Batherson.
Also, if you look at faceoffs, the Leafs had a league best 70% winning percentage on their PPs, and we had a league worst 40.7% on ours.
Looking at the numbers, I can't believe LA is leading the playoffs with a 40% (!!!!) PP with Edmonton just below at 38.5%. Penalty killing optional.
Crazy talk.
Brady on one hip had 4G and 7P in this series. That's a stat line similar to Marner and Matthews.
He's every bit a play driver.
The issue for us in this series wasn't our top end, or our bottom end. It was our middle.
Batherson and Cozens were disappointing. Cozens seemed like he ran out of gas, and Batherson was the definition of up and down. 2G and 4P between the two of them isn't good enough.
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Yes, I know the box score. His tips and deflected goals are much needed but we don’t see him creating much other offence.
He turns makes lots of offensive plays down low and around the net. Forcing turnovers, making smart passes, etc.
There are different ways to create offense. Not everything needs to be in space or on the rush.
What we need is for Cozens and Batherson to be better as the 2nd line.
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He was for sure laboring or his forecheck would have been dynamite.
JungleBeat
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Yup, probably would have laid out a couple of their guys if not injured.
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Wonder if Tim has been playing injured since he started putting the tape on the back of his neck.
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Timmy is so elite and so fun to watch. But he needs someone with speed on his line to keep up. Brady and G are too slow.
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Bath is just too much of a dangler, not enough of a finisher or cerebral player to make the give and goes, or play with a high pace to help Tim hit another level.
Not remotely realistic targets, but it would be amazing to see Tim with a guy like Pastrnak, Kucherov, Draisaitl. Will hopefully get to see the two Germans together at the Olympics next year.
Is there any chance that the Sens would consider bringing back Formenton, if he is proven to be not guilty?
I would understand 100% if the organization have moved on and this is an absolute non-starter.
Purely looking him as a hockey player, he is/was one of the fastest skaters in the NHL.
Dionysus
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No and he quit hockey anyway. He’s working construction, there was an article about it earlier in the season.
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Going from one of the fastest people in the NHL to ripping cigs and hanging board is one hell of a pivot
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Hell of a playoffs overall, and he will be better next year. Sadly , it looked like the hands got hit with the yips in Game 6, but he has a ton of heart. Great contract too
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Tim Stützle Headed to World Championships | Ottawa Senators
Tim Stützle will be joining two of his teammates at the 2025 IIHF World Hockey Championships, as the Senators’ forward is set to represent Germany.
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Good luck to our boy
Brady is more than a complimentary piece. That being said Tim and Brady need a high quality speedy finisher on that line.
If found not guilty, I would happily bring Foremnton back (considering how horrible E.M has looked after all the inconsistencies and details coming to light) but that would be the biggest PR disaster so it would never happen.
Plus, he's been out of the NHL for 3 seasons, didn't play at all this season, even if he were to make some sort of NHL comeback it would take him a while to get back to speed (no pun intended).
Such a shame, guy had insane potential.
I don't want to comment on the case because I haven't kept up closely with it, but purely in a hypothetical scenario where Formenton did nothing wrong, returning is probably a pipe dream.
Assuming he gets into shape and comes back for 2026-2027, he wouldn't have played pro hockey for 3 years, and really missed out on 5 years of development in the NHL. I'm sure the guy could hit the elliptical and go and kill it in the third tier Czech league or in that British hockey league that I still think doesn't actually exist, but coming back in the NHL seems unlikely.
I know that Daigle took two years off at a similar age, but despite being a meme he was a legit elite top end talent in some respects, and the league was completely different 20+ years ago. Even with expansion diluting talent, it's such a fast game at the NHL level that I have a hard time believing outside of an absolute elite talent that a player can miss the time Formenton did and get back on track.
I also don't mean fast like skating speed. I mean everything related to the overall flow of the game, decision making, etc.
Assuming he gets into shape and comes back for 2026-2027, he wouldn't have played pro hockey for 3 years, and really missed out on 5 years of development in the NHL. I'm sure the guy could hit the elliptical and go and kill it in the third tier Czech league or in that British hockey league that I still think doesn't actually exist, but coming back in the NHL seems unlikely.
I know that Daigle took two years off at a similar age, but despite being a meme he was a legit elite top end talent in some respects, and the league was completely different 20+ years ago. Even with expansion diluting talent, it's such a fast game at the NHL level that I have a hard time believing outside of an absolute elite talent that a player can miss the time Formenton did and get back on track.
I also don't mean fast like skating speed. I mean everything related to the overall flow of the game, decision making, etc.
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I think he'd make it back pretty quick if he stayed in shape and had a conditioning stint.
His speed is like one step above the normal elite lol, but that's if he can still skate like that.
Hes a grinder so for him it's more about forecheck and backcheck then high end timing.
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Of course if you want to be fully informed on the case you can follow closely like I have but quite frankly, what Formenton did was probably the most consensual out of what all the others are being accused of.
Although Formenton has been out of hockey for the past year, if he's still been doing some sort of training and conditioning he could easily play in a high level European league (Swiss, SHL, Liiga, KHL, DEL, Czech) and be impactful player.
Although Formenton wasn't an elite talent, he still had high end potential. If you look at his highlights in the 21-22 season as a 22 year old, he displayed not only top 0.1% speed but also playmaking, good offensive insticts and an above average IQ.
He'll of course never reach his full potential but if he were to come back to the NHL after being in Europe (or even the AHL) for 2025-26 then he could be a solid 3rd/4th liner in the NHL for 2026-2027. Of course this would never happen with the Sens but could see Boston or Vegas picking him up.
I wonder how much pressure there would be from the NHL to discourage teams from picking up these players (although, can the NHL do this without risking a lawsuit?). Because otherwise they could be viewed as a market inefficiency by a team that doesn't feel like there would be too much negative impact on them image-wise (Panthers? or like you said, Vegas?).
This is all assuming the players don't end up in jail of course.
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