Ticket/Attendance Discussion: The Sequel

[DeepFrickinValue]

I do not understand why people are talking about needing to move the arena outside of downtown.

Downtown Winnipeg has issues, yes, but rather than address those head on, the thought is that True North should spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of private dollars to sidestep them?

What about the idea that somebody in Winnipeg needs to actually step up and DO SOMETHING to improve the city, other than just depending on True North doing everything all the time.

I think the underlying issues are much more macro in scale than a mayor dealing with.

 

[sipowicz]

Ironically, they REMOVED a lane on Goulet heading into downtown for a bike lane

I'm all for bicycles, but to take away a traffic lane on one of the busier routes heading into downtown in favor of a bike lane that can be used for 5 months of the year by a handful of people (idiot winter cyclists of fat tired bike notwithstanding) is just plain stupid

Personally, i think cyclists should be able to ride on the sidewalk for no other reason than a cyclist-pedestrian collision is going to have WAY less risk of severe injury than a motor vehicle-cyclist collision

That's all I have for my off topic rant lol

Come on bike lanes are great, the .01% of the population; 25-50 white collar, white male demographic users luv them, everyone else NOT!

Our demogrpahics in this city have changed dramatically, people didn't come here from India, Lartin America, Africa and South East Asia to go back to riding bikes!

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Come on bike lanes are great, the .01% of the population; 25-50 white collar, white male demographic users luv them, everyone else NOT!

Our demogrpahics in this city have changed dramatically, people didn't come here from India, Lartin America, Africa and South East Asia to go back to riding bikes!

Bike riding and scooters (electric )is getting popular.

I live in Vancouver and we have an amazing bike network. I am able to ride anywhere in the city on dedicated bike lanes or bike paths. I can literally ride hundreds of kilometres anytime I want and not meet cars.

Quite often, I meet tourist who are has blown away with the scale of cycling infrastructure and tell us how lucky we are.

 

[sipowicz]

Bike riding and scooters (electric )is getting popular.

I live in Vancouver and we have an amazing bike network. I am able to ride anywhere in the city on dedicated bike lanes or bike paths. I can literally ride hundreds of kilometres anytime I want and not meet cars.

Quite often, I meet tourist who are has blown away with the scale of cycling infrastructure and tell us how lucky we are.

I've seen the bike infrastructure in Vancouver and Victoria and it's great and useable basically 365 days of the year, it makes sense! In Winnipeg it does not!

 

[SLAYER]

Come on bike lanes are great, the .01% of the population; 25-50 white collar, white male demographic users luv them, everyone else NOT!

Our demogrpahics in this city have changed dramatically, people didn't come here from India, Lartin America, Africa and South East Asia to go back to riding bikes!

Man, I dunno what everyone has against cycling but y'all need some perspective.

A lot more people would cycle more IF we had the proper infrastructure for it. This would also improve traffic, reducing the number of cars and trucks on the road. If you're out here driving a vehicle (especially as the only occupant) during rush hour, you're part of the traffic problem.

This and public transportation sorely needs attention in order to reduce traffic.



Also, this has nothing to do with pedestrain/cycling infrastructure but I don't think TNSE is going to move the arena AFTER they've built everything downtown surrounding the arena.

 

[sipowicz]

Man, I dunno what everyone has against cycling but y'all need some perspective.

A lot more people would cycle more IF we had the proper infrastructure for it. This would also improve traffic, reducing the number of cars and trucks on the road. If you're out here driving a vehicle (especially as the only occupant) during rush hour, you're part of the traffic problem.

This and public transportation sorely needs attention in order to reduce traffic.



Also, this has nothing to do with pedestrain/cycling infrastructure but I don't think TNSE is going to move the arena AFTER they've built everything downtown surrounding the arena.

I'm guessing you fit in my above mentioned demographic!

AT networks work, bike lanes not so much, at least not how they're built here, spent time in Edinburgh back in August and the bikes make sense and are incorporated into the sidewalk not the road!

 

[Gm0ney]

Ottawa's arena would basically be located past Headingly in terms of distance from the center of the city

Close to the horse statue at St. Francois Xavier...and a lot of Ottawa's population is on the east side (Orleans is about 125,000 and it's 40km from CTC in Kanata).

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Bike riding and scooters (electric )is getting popular.

I live in Vancouver and we have an amazing bike network. I am able to ride anywhere in the city on dedicated bike lanes or bike paths. I can literally ride hundreds of kilometres anytime I want and not meet cars.

Quite often, I meet tourist who are has blown away with the scale of cycling infrastructure and tell us how lucky we are.

I'm envious but remind me how much snow and -20°C (and colder) days you get out there on the Left Coast.

 

[SLAYER]

I'm guessing you fit in my above mentioned demographic!

AT networks work, bike lanes not so much, at least not how they're built here, spent time in Edinburgh back in August and the bikes make sense and are incorporated into the sidewalk not the road!

Cycling and pedestrian infrastructure 100000% need to be separate from roadways. If they're not at least protected by a physical barrier, they're just a suggestion that most people won't follow.

 

[jetsmooseice]

I'm envious but remind me how much snow and -20°C (and colder) days you get out there on the Left Coast.

It's the middle of November and there's no snow or ice here yet

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

It's the middle of November and there's no snow or ice here yet

Of course. I guess we should be thankful for Climate Change. Side story: In the early 1980s I went to a seminar on climate change (It was a thing even back then, sort of.) given by a scientist colleague of mine here in "Winterpeg". His very early model had southern Manitoba eventually with a climate similar to the then climate of Nebraska/Iowa. I think that we're definitely heading that way.

 

[Gm0ney]

Of course. I guess we should be thankful for Climate Change. Side story: In the early 1980s I went to a seminar on climate change (It was a thing even back then, sort of.) given by a scientist colleague of mine here in "Winterpeg". His very early model had southern Manitoba eventually with a climate similar to the then climate of Nebraska/Iowa. I think that we're definitely heading that way.

Ah, tropical Iowa/Nebraska!

Milder and shorter winters here are fine with me...but a catastrophe for the planet as a whole.

 

[Gordon112358]

Ah, tropical Iowa/Nebraska!

Milder and shorter winters here are fine with me...but a catastrophe for the planet as a whole.

Cycling and pedestrian infrastructure 100000% need to be separate from roadways. If they're not at least protected by a physical barrier, they're just a suggestion that most people won't follow.

I completely agree. I cycle from Island Lakes to downtown almost every day from mid April to mid October and I can get to work in about 25-30 minutes. Often much faster than what it would take me to take transit or my own vehicle.
I am fortunate that I have a route that for the most part avoids major streets. If I was forced to just go up St. Annes and St Mary's I would never bike. I don't want to be part of the roadway because I don't belong there going 20-30 km/hr when vehicle are going 50-60.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I'm envious but remind me how much snow and -20°C (and colder) days you get out there on the Left Coast.

Filling up fast here though. Hard to get to beaches and parks on the weekends.

 

[macmaroon]

Comes in to check on attendance chatter...

Reads all about bike lanes and corridors...

Scratches head and bikes away...

 

[spiny norman]

There was a Flash Sale sent by email this morning; I bought two tickets for Tuesday's game versus the Panthers.

 

[ps241]

I think the underlying issues are much more macro in scale than a mayor dealing with.

The challenge of addiction, mental health, chronic homelessness, and all the other goodies exist in every major city in North America and sadly most small cities, and towns too. This isn’t just a Winnipeg thing.

The way I view it is, yes I am interested in what the Mayor, Province, and Federal leaders are doing. I expect them to have a plan and lead on this issue. Mostly though for me, this comes down to what am I doing about it? What’s my plan for this week, this month, and the year ahead. How do I apply my time, energy, and resources towards being part of the fight

Sadly I spent way too many years on the sidelines complaining and robbed myself of the chance to rub shoulders with amazing people in the game. As ugly as the visuals are of this problem at its worst (and yea it’s ugly), an equal and opposite beauty exists in a far less visible way. The amazing people, companies, and organizations who volunteer time, money, supplies, food, clothing, beds, shelter, “ideas”………..and their emotional energy which seems endless…….its incredibly humbling

 

[Gil Fisher]

There was a Flash Sale sent by email this morning; I bought two tickets for Tuesday's game versus the Panthers.

Who the fock are you?

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

There was a Flash Sale sent by email this morning; I bought two tickets for Tuesday's game versus the Panthers.

Meant note: Never pay full price wait until flash sale.

 

[gojets1991]

Longtime lurker on this thread in particular. The problem, in my opinion, with downtown and the epidemic of social issues is that politically, continuing to increase the budget of the police while ignoring the root causes of these issues, primarily housing, will not lead to a solution and will only result in the city to eventually have to cut social services. Our police, unlike many other municipal forces, dont even have body cameras. Our city focuses on considering expanding existing roads, despite evidence that our city cannot afford to maintain the roads we have let alone build new ones and that traffic from elsewhere will just migrate to the new roads and there will be marginal time savings with extra lanes, Ie kenaston widening project. And at the expense of projects like the arlington bridge and on a much bigger scale, potential rail relocation. We need fewer offices and more money from those budgetary savings going towards the root causes of homelessness and addiction.

As for the attendance part of this thread, something I dont see mentioned much (recently anyway) is that in my experience, leaning really ruins the experience in teh upper deck. Many games, people in front are leaning halfway off their seat. I think our upperdeck is more compact compared to other arenas. Even if the person in front of you isnt above average height, it can be hard to see big parts of the ice. The only certain solution is to sit in the last row, 12, and sit on your folded seat or stand. For that reason and given there isnt much enforcement of this, I would be reluctant to commit to season ticket or even a mini pack unless in the last row or first/loge.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Honestly the arena/True North Square is the only truly major improvement to downtown Winnipeg since The Forks was created over 30 years ago. I shudder to think of what downtown would be like without that there. Probably a boarded up Eatons filled with squatters, and the parking lot on Graham would still be there.



Yeah, it's impossible to imagine. Whatever additional revenue a new arena generates (regardless of where it's located) would be more than offset by the construction cost for a new venue. In some respects TNSE's timing was perfect for building a new arena... original construction cost was $144 million which was absolutely dirt cheap, it's basically the cost of an arena renovation project these days. A new rink would cost nearly a billion dollars today (and who knows how much in another 10-20 years), and it's not like the province is going to pick up the tab for it under current economic conditions.

Besides, the rink is only 20 years old. It's not like the Jets have outgrown it... there is no massive unmet demand for suites and club seats. Even if you assume the current rink will only last 50 years, that means replacement is still another 30 years away.

I mean that's just silly talk.

There have been countless new big developments in the past 30 years.

Red River College downtown campus and its recent expansion.
University of Winnipeg Expansion along with all the expansion of student living midrise buildings on Colony St.
All the condos on Waterfront Drive
Blue Cross Park
New Tallest building for which most of the units are spoken for

Also right now, there are close to two thousand residential units in various stages of construction in downtown. There is obviously a demand to live there.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

The problem, in my opinion, with downtown and the epidemic of social issues is that politically, continuing to increase the budget of the police while ignoring the root causes of these issues, primarily housing

If that's the big issue, then let's start making more use of those nice housing complexes in Headingley and Stony Mountain for all these poor, downtrodden downtownies.

As for the view, you're right. They should have built everything steeper. Maybe not old arena steep, but more than what we got. Not sure why they didn't. If anything, it allows for more seating within an under-sized footprint.

 

[wpg1]

Less than 450 tickets available for tomorrow night. Looks like it'll be another sell out!

 

[oldcoot]

Put it where the old Bomber stadium was. A million ways out and a million things to do in the area. Still wish they would have kept that location for the new Bomber stadium.

They aren't building a new arena, and giving up on downtown because suburbanites are too frightened to leave their basement is a bad idea. Polo Park is also a scary place.

 

[macmaroon]

They aren't building a new arena, and giving up on downtown because suburbanites are too frightened to leave their basement is a bad idea. Polo Park is also a scary place.

I live by there and I would totally agree...