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Honestly I can't wait to see this one.


Think it's going to end up being really good and also have some much bigger implications for the greater MCU then people probably expect.
 
I also have higher hopes than I initially expected. It's a cast of of a lot of folks I generally like plus I've always thought some of the best Marvel stuff are the stories and characters that are more on the margins.

I will say I am a little concerned with the most recent ads which make it seem more serious and important ... that's not necessarily bad. I just think the "not important" movies tend to be better than the "important" ones.

Still hopeful. (Perhaps foolishly. LOL).
 
Did the Post credit scene leak? Seeing some stuff online that it did but don't want to go looking to see if it actually did or if the internet is just being the internet.
There were fan screenings so someone probably filmed it. I'm being very careful with Youtube, especially Shorts. I was already recommended one, luckily the thumbnail didn't spoil anything.
 
Saw it today. Really liked it. 9- /10 and that minus is on me for watching too many trailers and tv spots. This wasn't just a different Marvel movie, it was a different comic book/superhero movie. 3rd act is so unique. I love the REDACTED. Florence Pugh is such a star in this. I did not expect to hear so much sniffles/sniffling(?) in the theater during that emotional scene with her and Alexei (parts of it have been shown in the trailers so it's not a spoiler). This will probably hit harder for those having mental health issues and I literally heard from people sitting behind me saying that they really needed this type of a movie now and how surprised they were of how good it was.

Oh yeah, that 2nd post-credit scene after the credits is the influential one. After the first one, I was just lip synching to "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now". :laugh:

Edit: do not go read the comments for Starship's "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" music video. The song played during the credits and a certain plot point is repeatedly spoiled there.
 
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Saw it today. Really liked it. 9- /10 and that minus is on me for watching too many trailers and tv spots. This wasn't just a different Marvel movie, it was a different comic book/superhero movie. 3rd act is so unique. I love the REDACTED. Florence Pugh is such a star in this. I did not expect to hear so much sniffles/sniffling(?) in the theater during that emotional scene with her and Alexei (parts of it have been shown in the trailers so it's not a spoiler). This will probably hit harder for those having mental health issues and I literally heard from people sitting behind me saying that they really needed this type of a movie now and how surprised they were of how good it was.

Oh yeah, that 2nd post-credit scene after the credits is the influential one. After the first one, I was just lip synching to "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now". :laugh:

Edit: do not go read the comments for Starship's "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" music video. The song played during the credits and a certain plot point is repeatedly spoiled there.
I've heard that REDACTED in particular is Oscar-worthy, I cannot wait
 
I've heard that REDACTED in particular is Oscar-worthy, I cannot wait
...I...better not say anything but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.

Oh yeah, I guessed what the 2nd post-credit scene would involve from the song list in the credits. :laugh:

Edit: if people don't want that to spoil it for you, don't look at the songs listed on the right side of the screen.
 
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Saw it today. Really liked it. 9- /10 and that minus is on me for watching too many trailers and tv spots. This wasn't just a different Marvel movie, it was a different comic book/superhero movie. 3rd act is so unique. I love the REDACTED. Florence Pugh is such a star in this. I did not expect to hear so much sniffles/sniffling(?) in the theater during that emotional scene with her and Alexei (parts of it have been shown in the trailers so it's not a spoiler). This will probably hit harder for those having mental health issues and I literally heard from people sitting behind me saying that they really needed this type of a movie now and how surprised they were of how good it was.

Oh yeah, that 2nd post-credit scene after the credits is the influential one. After the first one, I was just lip synching to "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now". :laugh:

Edit: do not go read the comments for Starship's "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" music video. The song played during the credits and a certain plot point is repeatedly spoiled there.
You're better off watching this version anyways.
 
Got home from seeing it a bit ago and I enjoyed it. It seemed like a meshing together of styles, like they took stuff that worked in the recent phases, but also made it feel like Phase 1 stuff (in the good way).

Definitely stay for the post credit scene, it's not just a throwaway 5 second joke like they've done in the past.
 
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Got home from seeing it a bit ago and I enjoyed it. It seemed like a meshing together of styles, like they took stuff that worked in the recent phases, but also made it feel like Phase 1 stuff (in the good way).

Definitely stay for the post credit scene, it's not just a throwaway 5 second joke like they've done in the past.
It was spoiled because of the music credits where they list the Fantastic Four theme. That's what got me fuming in the theater lol. I was like, wait, they didn't mention the Fantasitic Four anywhere in the film.

Also, how come all the goofy credit scenes are in the middle now? They used to be in the end lol.
 
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It was spoiled because of the music credits where they list the Fantastic Four theme. That's what got me fuming in the theater lol. I was like, wait, they didn't mention the Fantasitic Four anywhere in the film.

Also, how come all the goofy credit scenes are in the middle now? They used to be in the end lol.
I LITERALLY WARNED YOU IN THIS THREAD!

 
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A really good time. Like a solid B+, which for recent Marvel feels like a huge win. Probably my second favorite MCU movie post Endgame.
 
I liked it a lot.

Inherently, Marvel's attempt at doing their own Suicide Squad, with how things have been going in the MCU, just on paper sounds like a horrendous idea. But this is, for my money, the best the MCU has been since Endgame. It's a common takeaway but it's true. The best Marvel has been able to achieve since is "a fun time at the movies" with Deadpool and Spiderman and the most recent outing was a dose of "damn that was not nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be" with Captain America 4.

Thunderbolts is somehow both a non conventional take on the anti-hero concept but also feels like a return to the MCU's roots by feeling a lot more grounded and putting real emphasis on its characters. I appreciate that the movie aimed for comedic moments but it seemed to have a healthy balance between moments that needed to be serious and moments that could be cut at with a joke. The MCU after Guardians and Ragnarok collectively decided that movies needed a quip every other minute if not less. Thunderbolts has some silly moments but for the most part even the jokes feel reigned in and grounded.

The cast as a whole is pretty strong but the standout for me was, quite unsurprisingly to anyone who read up on the early hype, Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova or Black Widow 2.0. This movie is, in function, an ensemble team up flick, but the beating heart of the movie is Yelena. And Pugh crushes it from start to finish. Her scene with Alexei talking about her suffering since Natasha died was a highlight of the movie. In Hawkeye you see her filled with vengeful rage over her sister's death, but that really just served as a justification for her place in the story. In this movie, you see her just completely shattered and struggling to find meaning in life* and it all comes to a head when she breaks down in front of her adoptive father. It was a really powerfully acted scene in my opinion. And I don't care who disagrees with me, after this movie, Yelena has cemented herself as the best new character to come out post-Endgame and she is way way more interesting/compelling a character than Natasha Romanoff ever was. By a lot.

I'll give Harbour some credit too. He was a little annoying as Red Guardian in Black Widow, but he felt a lot more earnest and positive in Thunderbolts. I also thoroughly enjoyed that Julia Louis Dreyfuss' Valentina, in an expanded role, was basically just a smarter Selina Meyer from Veep and Veep is one of my all time favorite comedies so that worked for me. Something like that can easily lend to JDL being one note, but a smarter Selina Meyer being the anti-Nick Fury just works.

As someone who has struggled with depression for huge chunks of my life I really appreciated the way the real villain was more or less a manifestation of the cocktail of depression and anxiety and one of the driving messages was that even though everyone needs to find it in themselves to overcome their darkness personally and individually, we all (or at least most of us) need the love and support of others to endure and persevere. The loneliness of a lot of these characters (Bob and Yelena in particular) felt remarkably honest, earnest, and authentic. The way the Thunderbolts all seemed to understand they had to come together to support each other was a bit cheesy and hackneyed, but I thought it served the themes well to deliver a very non traditional superhero conflict and resolution so i consider it more of a win when it could have easily been a groaner. Again, Florence Pugh's heartfelt and powerful performance was really essential to selling this film's underlying premise. The MCU is not a proper staging ground for Oscar contention as someone discussed above, but no one should bat an eye if she gets nominated.

My gripes are minor, but they're there. For one, I know that with this many characters there's only so much time you can devote to each one's stories but Bucky felt like he was just there to drive interest by having someone we can, at this point, consider a legacy MCU character. I'm not really familiar with The Void/Sentry outside of playing the card in Marvel Snap, so I don't know how true to the source material he was but having a super serum that can now make someone essentially a god (assuming they survive using it) just feels like an over the top way to set up the mental health themes when the movie as a whole did good to move away from timeline and multiverse shit while also continuing to see the MCU feel compelled to try to come up with more threatening villains than Thanos. Also, it's not a huge plothole but Valentina basically getting away scot free at the end just seemed weird. Like there was a big push to impeach her, and what the US government just stops investigating the wrongdoing of her company because she introduced a new de facto Avengers team?

The rest aren't really complaints as much as general thoughts but I bust out laughing for the second end credit scene, more so than the first, because my theater cheered like they just saw a super bowl touchdown at the reveal of the Fantastic Four ship. Like unless everyone has been living under a rock, we all know they're coming, it's not THAT exciting.

I do feel like the time it took for Bob to go from Aw shucks everyone I'm no good at nothing to "I'm a god and I don't have to listen to you" just felt rushed. But the movie was already long enough as it is so I can't complain too much.

Anyway 8.5/10. Upper third of MCU movies for me.
 
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I liked it a lot.

Inherently, Marvel's attempt at doing their own Suicide Squad, with how things have been going in the MCU, just on paper sounds like a horrendous idea. But this is, for my money, the best the MCU has been since Endgame. It's a common takeaway but it's true. The best Marvel has been able to achieve since is "a fun time at the movies" with Deadpool and Spiderman and the most recent outing was a dose of "damn that was not nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be" with Captain America 4.

Thunderbolts is somehow both a non conventional take on the anti-hero concept but also feels like a return to the MCU's roots by feeling a lot more grounded and putting real emphasis on its characters. I appreciate that the movie aimed for comedic moments but it seemed to have a healthy balance between moments that needed to be serious and moments that could be cut at with a joke. The MCU after Guardians and Ragnarok collectively decided that movies needed a quip every other minute if not less. Thunderbolts has some silly moments but for the most part even the jokes feel reigned in and grounded.

The cast as a whole is pretty strong but the standout for me was, quite unsurprisingly to anyone who read up on the early hype, Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova or Black Widow 2.0. This movie is, in function, an ensemble team up flick, but the beating heart of the movie is Yelena. And Pugh crushes it from start to finish. Her scene with Alexei talking about her suffering since Natasha died was a highlight of the movie. In Hawkeye you see her filled with vengeful rage over her sister's death, but that really just served as a justification for her place in the story. In this movie, you see her just completely shattered and struggling to find meaning in life and it all comes to a head when she breaks down in front of her adoptive father. It was a really powerfully acted scene in my opinion. And I don't care who disagrees with me, after this movie, Yelena has cemented herself as the best new character to come out post-Endgame and she is way way more interesting/compelling a character than Natasha Romanoff.

I'll give Harbour some credit too. He was a little annoying as Red Guardian in Black Widow, but he felt a lot more earnest and positive in Thunderbolts. I also thoroughly enjoyed that Julia Louis Dreyfuss' Valentina, in a expanded role, was basically just a smarter Selina Meyer from Veep and Veep is one of my all time favorite comedies so that worked for me.

As someone who has struggled with depression for huge chunks of my life I really appreciated the way the real villain was more or less a manifestation of the cocktail of depression and anxiety and one of the driving messages was that even though everyone needs to find it in themselves to overcome their darkness personally and individually, we all (or at least most of us) need the love and support of others to endure and persevere. The loneliness of these characters (Bob and Yelena in particular) felt remarkably honest, earnest, and authentic. The way the Thunderbolts all seemed to understand they had to come together to support each other was a bit cheesy and hackneyed, but I thought it served the themes to deliver a very non traditional superhero conflict.

My gripes are minor, but they're there. For one, I know that with this many characters there's only so much time you can devote to each one's stories but Bucky felt like he was just there to drive interest by having someone we can, at this point, consider a legacy MCU character. I'm not really familiar with The Void/Sentry outside of playing the card in Marvel Snap, so I don't know how true to the source material he was but having a super serum that can now make someone essentially a god (assuming they survive using it) just feels like an over the top wah to deliver on the mental health themes when the movie as a whole did good to move away from timeline and multiverse shit. Also, it's not a huge plothole but Valentina basically getting away scot free at the end just seemed weird. Like there was a big push to impeach her, and what the US government just stops investigating the wrongdoing of her company because she introduced a new de facto Avengers team?

The rest aren't really complaints as much as general thoughts but I bust out laughing for the second end credit scene, more so than the first, because my theater cheered like they just saw a super bowl touchdown at the reveal of the Fantastic Four ship. Like unless everyone has been living under a rock, we all know they're coming, it's not THAT exciting.

I do feel like the time it took for Bob to go from Aw shucks everyone I'm no good at nothing to "I'm a god and I don't have to listen to you" just felt rushed. But the movie was already long enough as it is so I can't complain too much.

Anyway 8.5/10. Upper third of MCU movies for me.
I've read that this was the first true post-Bob Chapek era/new Bob Iger "quality over quantity" era MCU project that also wasn't hampered by the writer's strike, unlike Cap 4.

And yes I agree that after this movie, Yelena became a bigger/better character in the MCU than Natasha was. Florence Pugh is now a superstar among the franchise's actors.

I think Bob feeling like a god as Sentry, came from his drug addict past, he felt a rush of omnipotence after seeing all the things he can do, like a drug addict on a high, which makes one understand his reluctance to use his powers. Plus the memory loss is a result of using those powers too, if I remember the Wikipedia article on the comic version correctly. I don't remember if it's temporary or permanent. The comic Void is a the universal balancing act to The Sentry. For all the heroic stuff the Sentry does, the Void counteracts with acts of evil. The serum Bob was given was a raw version of the super soldier serum, as somewhat implied in the movie. It gave him the power of a thousand exploding suns. A Superman with telekinesis, some psychic abilities and teleportation. A more powerful Superman. Way too OP, hence The Void.

Perhaps your dad is an old school F4 comic fan and is excited about seeing the more comic book like versions of the characters? By the way, my screening only showed 3 trailers, the Superman teaser, a Jurassic Park Rebirth featurette and the Fantastic Four : First Steps trailer. I think the latter helps a lot in understanding the 2nd post-credit scene. I wonder if that ship showing up is after the ending of F4 or it happens earlier in the movie? Reed does say he "stretched the bounds of space" in the trailer.

Also, thank you for sharing avout your personal mental health struggles. :bow:
 
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I've read that this was the first true post-Bob Chapek era/new Bob Iger "quality over quantity" era MCU project that also wasn't hampered by the writer's strike, unlike Cap 4.

And yes I agree that after this movie, Yelena became a bigger/better character in the MCU than Natasha was. Florence Pugh is now a superstar among the franchise's actors.

I think Bob feeling like a god as Sentry, came from his drug addict past, he felt a rush of omnipotence after seeing all the things he can do, like a drug addict on a high, which makes one understand his reluctance to use his powers. Plus the memory loss is a result of using those powers too, if I remember the Wikipedia article on the comic version correctly. I don't remember if it's temporary or permanent. The comic Void is a the universal balancing act to The Sentry. For all the heroic stuff the Sentry does, the Void counteracts with acts of evil. The serum Bob was given was a raw version of the super soldier serum, as somewhat implied in the movie. It gave him the power of a thousand exploding suns. A Superman with telekinesis, some psychic abilities and teleportation. A more powerful Superman. Way too OP, hence The Void.

Perhaps your dad is an old school F4 comic fan and is excited about seeing the more comic book like versions of the characters? By the way, my screening only showed 3 trailers, the Superman teaser, a Jurassic Park Rebirth featurette and the Fantastic Four : First Steps trailer. I think the latter helps a lot in understanding the 2nd post-credit scene. I wonder if that ship showing up is after the ending of F4 or it happens earlier in the movie? Reed does say he "stretched the bounds of space" in the trailer.
No I understood all that. It just all happened in the span of like 5 minutes. The why of it made sense. The way it was portrayed gave this sense of like okay we need this to happen so the next act of the movie can get going.

And I had the same experience with a Fantastic Four trailer. I thought the trailer was great. I'm excited for Fantastic Four. But that just adds to my point. We (my theater) all saw the trailer. Most of us know that's the next MCU movie. Most of us know the Fantastic Four will be in the next Avengers movie. There's not a lot of time left to make all that happen. The second post credit scene is an exciting moment but one most people can see coming.
 
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