You can only develop so far when you can't skate .. but a 3rd pairing guy with good hands and shot for PP2 is fine .. to me I would trade Sandin before everyone else figures it out at nhl level and we can't get much for him .. he is gonna be trouble too with CAP at each contract .. a 3rd pair guy isn't getting good $$$
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Do you think Niemla had a higher ceiling?
I haven't watched him play for a year, but I was very hopeful for him- much more than Sandin.
dubplatepressure
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I'm so impressed with him, and coincidentally, our (by far) most consistent and best defensive efforts in the 2 games he's been in the lineup.
I feel like people are putting a low ceiling on sandman he’s gonna be a lot better than a 3rd pairing d at worst skating is important but I would argue iq is much more important riellys skating is why he’s paid soo much he isn’t actually a great defensive defencemen Sandin is more physical and smarter but tbd right?
ok lets relax ,,,,,,,,, i love lilly and probably my favorite leaf at the moment but lets not attribute the total team defensive effort to lilly. the guy has average the least or second least amount of icetime between the d.
Jimmy Firecracker
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He’s looked good so far. Smart outlet passes, been physical, hasn’t crumbled under pressure. He’s only going to get better to as he gets more games in.
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No idear I have not seen him play outside of WJT .. from that viewpoint he looks like an offensive dman who can run a PP .. but he can fly .. Sandin will never fly .. very hard to know until he suits up for Marlies
In todays game it is really difficult to make it big when you are one of slower guys in league .. when i played most D could hardly skate but it didn't matter as you could use your stick as a weapon and f*ckin a guy up in glass was like saying hello .. one hand grabs a guys shirt one leg in lock position and other hand with a glove facewash after a head smash into glass .. and ref would say let him go now or have to think about giving you a holding call
I wouldn't say offensive force in the AHL. He had a good 30 p in 40 gp stretch.
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I like Liljegren better than Sandin out there.
Larcos_Unal
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Timmy is technically +1 after the brutal giveaway and the 2 goals, but considering it's his 3rd game he's looked solid.
More importantly he looks like he could be that 1st pairing rhd we've been looking for to play with Rielly
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The Podium
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Remember how many posters here thought he was a bust when his production stalled in the AHL as an underager?
Ahh good times
The best part of Lilly is his personality. I see him being a solid D for this team for a long, long time.
Ahh good times
The best part of Lilly is his personality. I see him being a solid D for this team for a long, long time.
I didn't watch Sunday's game, but he looks like a real good player out there. That whiff was a stinker, but those happen and he never missed a beat. That was absolutely ice cold to go high glove off the left point as a righty there.
Stickwork is amazing on the defensive end, and he uses his body to separate attackers from the puck. Passes like a pro. He has all the tools of a fantastic defenseman and looks to be coming into his own. Guy is a PLAYER.
Stickwork is amazing on the defensive end, and he uses his body to separate attackers from the puck. Passes like a pro. He has all the tools of a fantastic defenseman and looks to be coming into his own. Guy is a PLAYER.
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Teeder Keon
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Being out for an extended period of time recovering from a sports hernia surgery and only playing a couple tuneup games on the Marlies may be why he’s still low on the ice time totem pole
I think that was firmly established last year my friend .. this year it is not even remotely close between them
Clark4Ever
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The talking heads on Overdrive need to eat crow. They kept saying that getting Liljegren back was going to have a negligible impact on the blueline and most of us knew otherwise.
Coco was just flat out wrong about him and can't walk it back .. his ego is too big .. but it won't matter .. he wasn't da only one either .. i could name you a few pro scouts on Kings who didn't want any part of Lily either .. it is why I always say D men you can't figure out where they are going to develop finally until their late 20s .. because guys like Lily happen
Teeder Keon
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Good point, personality is always important and maybe it's especially important in this town.
The hot takes here are so predictable. The jubilation was almost universal when we drafted him, I remember that day so well but missing almost a full year obviously meant we'd have to wait a while, Dmen normally take a while to develop anyway so I was always happy to wait and cringed every time someone included him in a proposed trade. Right handed Dman with his pedigree, I agree completely and I assume that him being a part of this team for a long, long time was always the hope.
They didn’t quite say that, they said if you’re looking to Liljegren to be the saviour of the defense core you’re in trouble and they aren’t wrong. Are we realistically expecting Liljegren to shoulder a huge defensive load? We need to improve our d. Our defense core is probably one of the worst in the league. You can’t expect Liljegren to come in and stabilize the d core, he shouldn’t have that type of responsibility so early on.
The Podium
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I think our d being one of the worst in the league is a massive hyperbole….
Reilly, Gio, Brodie and now it seems Lilly are legitimate top 2-4 options. Sandin and Holl are a fine 5 and 6 D. We’re missing a true #1 but otherwise I’d say we’re probably in the top 3rd of the league.
