Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[AvroArrow]

Okay so punch him. Tie up if you can't punch him, then maybe try punching him again. If you can't hurt him by punching it was an admirable but unimpressive fight. That happens.

What happened wasn't a hockey fighting move

Oh so because there are skates none of the principles matter? He created momentum and shifted McMichael's center of gravity up and outward, then blocked his legs and threw him to the ice back first.

What more do you honestly need?

Honestly better off not engaging with him at this point, dudes off the deep end. He's prepared to die on this hill lol.

I thought he genuinely didn't understand physics/combat sports, but he's apparently knowledgeable and participated in combat sports but still denies that Chatfield was trying to hit his opponents head on the ice.

There's literally no other outcome that could have happened, except that one.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

You keep explaining why the fight happened to nobody in particular.

It is without a doubt that these "10 seconds in a vacuum" were the single most dangerous part of last night's game by a lot.

I'm not saying they weren't. Just because you don't think the events leading up to this aren't important doesn't mean that they aren't. You are fine to be ignorant to it though.

 

[AvroArrow]

He hit him in the face, not the back of the head, your anatomy is as bad as your combat knowledge...

The Bertuzzi/Moore incident is nothing like this... how are you comparing someone sucker punching someone to a fight?

Just ban fighting if you people are all going to complain about grappling, or better yet, keep fighting but just give them boxing gloves before so they can't grab each other effectively.

You just keep doubling down on shitty takes eh ?

 

[bcv]

This isn't that complicated.

1) This thread isn't about Tom Wilson
2) Nothing that happened leading up to the Chatfield / McMichael fight excuses what Chatfiled did.
3) Chatfield's MMA move is not excusable. It's dangerous and could have seriously injured McMichael.

Anything short of that is homer Caniacs trying to justify the unjustifiable.

And a few Bruins' fans, but that's to be expected from them.

 

[HTFN]

If you’re asking me to explain parts of the game to you, and dodging my comment that it sounds like you didn’t watch it, then it’s pretty obvious you actually didn’t watch it and are reacting to what other people have said based on 30-second clips.

What am I supposed to do with this? Invite you to my house so I can catch you up on the content you didn’t see before launching in with opinions?



I’ll say it again — the Caps wanted the smoke and they got it. Don’t blame the smart kid for being better at fighting than the bully.

No I asked you to show me intent to injure, which is a pretty bold claim you should be able to back up with footage. Don't try to deflect from that because it's kind of the bedrock of your premise here, that the Canes were dealing with people who wanted to sideline them.

You could show me one clip with definite intent to injure, that would help. Words aren't good enough, show me where it happened.

Also you calling Connor McMichael the "bully" is genuinely hilarious and out of touch. If Chatfield's already better at fighting he didn't need to do that for sure, so even this weird trash talk pivot isn't helping you.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

A “pesky cross check” lmfao. That’s a crazy hill to die on

What was it then?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Can someone show me a clip of Wilson taking a "massive run" at Aho?

The only thing I've seen is a clip where Aho has just moved the puck behind the goal, and Wilson who is coming the other way appears to actually try to avoid Aho. Please tell me that's not the play you are referencing. Please.

Center ice near the benches was the biggest, but Wilson was stalking and taking runs all night after it hit 3-0 in the 1st.

Sorry I can’t provide clips, it’s archived on Max if you want to scroll through.

 

[HTFN]

Center ice near the benches was the biggest, but Wilson was stalking and taking runs all night after it hit 3-0 in the 1st.

Sorry I can’t provide clips, it’s archived on Max if you want to scroll through.

"Taking runs" is soft hockey fan talk for "making hits" unless you can show the ones that cross the line.

Everyone always says somebody's just out there "taking runs" until it's their team down and then they just want somebody to "show a pulse" like it's not the same thing.

 

[Number8]

Center ice near the benches was the biggest, but Wilson was stalking and taking runs all night after it hit 3-0 in the 1st.

Sorry I can’t provide clips, it’s archived on Max if you want to scroll through.

That doesn't surprise me. He looked a little more off his meds than usual during the Bruins game the other day -- at the time I just thought he was trying to help our tank.

Regardless, I'd try to find a full recap of the game.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

"Taking runs" is soft hockey fan talk for "making hits" unless you can show the ones that cross the line.

Everyone always says somebody's just out there "taking runs" until it's their team down and then they just want somebody to "show a pulse" like it's not the same thing.

I showed a cross-check to the numbers of a player just before the fight but you guys keep wanting to ignore that

 

[caps4cup]

"Taking runs" is soft hockey fan talk for "making hits" unless you can show the ones that cross the line.

Everyone always says somebody's just out there "taking runs" until it's their team down and then they just want somebody to "show a pulse" like it's not the same thing.

Yeah it was a normal hit. I don’t think Aho’s “slash” was bad at all either to be fair. But that was definitely not Wilson “taking a run” or trying to injure Aho.

 

[notbias]

This is very similar to an arm throw in wrestling...

The only difference between everyone complaining about wrestling/judo throws and the above is that the intent is clear with Orr, he didn't mean to.

Anyone arguing this was dirty is just assigning an intent to Chatfield, not much else to it, these plays happen a lot where someone uses momentum or leverage to take someone down... so you are just arguing something that can't be proven or disproven.

 

[Il Stugotz]

For reference, the Aho/Wilson run in is the first video:

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

The fans who defend Wilson to the extent they do whining about this to the extent a thread is created is hilariously hypocritical.

It's not great by Chatty, but it's always funny watching a team that routinely tries to bully others whining to high heaven when the opponent steps up and punches back

 

[HTFN]

I showed a cross-check to the numbers of a player just before the fight but you guys keep wanting to ignore that

Because it doesn't matter at all the way you think it does and you're lying to yourself if you say you wouldn't excuse it going the other way. If this is the best you've got for "taking runs" it's genuinely nothing.

 

[bcv]

This is very similar to an arm throw in wrestling...

The only difference between everyone complaining about wrestling/judo throws and the above is that the intent is clear with Orr, he didn't mean to.

Anyone arguing this was dirty is just assigning an intent to Chatfield, not much else to it, these plays happen a lot where someone uses momentum or leverage to take someone down... so you are just arguing something that can't be proven or disproven.

Yeah, totally can't see Chatfield create momentum by turning and placing his leg being McMichael. Totally can't assign intent to throw him on the ice. Totally can't.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

His punishment will be fighting Wilson on April 10

Nah Wilson won't fight him, he'll find the smallest Cane on the ice to get his retaliation with

 

[caps4cup]

This is very similar to an arm throw in wrestling...

The only difference between everyone complaining about wrestling/judo throws and the above is that the intent is clear with Orr, he didn't mean to.

Anyone arguing this was dirty is just assigning an intent to Chatfield, not much else to it, these plays happen a lot where someone uses momentum or leverage to take someone down... so you are just arguing something that can't be proven or disproven.

So if he meant to do it, it’s dirty? But if he didn’t mean to do it, it’s not dirty?

Or… whether he meant to do it or not, what happened ended up being dirty.

 

[HTFN]

For reference, the Aho/Wilson run in is the first video:

That's taking a run? It's his position and literal job there to do that and it closed off the rush.

We both see that slash and you think Wilson's the one who isn't making the hockey play there?

 

[nothingbeatshockey]

Well it might not be that complicated but it's definitely more complex then you're making it out to be.

If we are talking about what Chatfield did strictly in the vaccuum of that 10 seconds then sure, but there was an entire game leading up to that point and there's a cause and effect thing going on.

You can't say Canes are dirty and reckless without acknowledging that Wilson was shouting all game that someone on the Canes is 'gonna get hurt' and then also plowing a player in the numbers with a crosscheck right before this happens.

What I am saying is that Chatfield made a choice. He is solely responsible for that choice. That was not a hockey play. All the rest is simply trying to mitigate what was an incredibly dangerous move.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Because it doesn't matter at all the way you think it does and you're lying to yourself if you say you wouldn't excuse it going the other way. If this is the best you've got for "taking runs" it's genuinely nothing.

Well if you want to ignore it that's fine but it doesn't mean the Canes or other people will. That's your choice. You don't get to go around shouting at a team saying someone is gonna get hurt, then do some dirty unnecessary shit, and then get to decide whether or not that matters and what the response will be.

 

[notbias]

Yeah, totally can't see Chatfield create momentum by turning and placing his leg being McMichael. Totally can't assign intent to throw him on the ice. Totally can't.

Chatfield doesn't look balanced when he goes over his legs, but that is just my opinion, you can argue he had complete control, but again, it just comes down to your opinion.

He's falling backwards as he is spinning him, how easy is it to get your legs out of the way? Apparently very easy.

 

[caps4cup]

For reference, the Aho/Wilson run in is the first video:

Don’t see how that’s “trying to injure” Aho. He clearly was trying to hit him but it wasn’t dirty or a penalty.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

What I am saying is that Chatfield made a choice. He is solely responsible for that choice. That was not a hockey play. All the rest is simply trying to mitigate what was an incredibly dangerous move.

I'm not mitigating what he did. It was a reckless and dangerous play and he shouldn't have done it.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Gravity always wins.

Father Gravity is undefeated

On the takedown: looks like a hobo, fights like a hobo, I think it's appropriate. You don't square off with a guy like that and expect "rules"