Good goaltender. Always seemed to play well against the Panthers. Wonder what his actual record was against Florida.
Thomas Greiss retires
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Cycling thing COULD make sense I agree but still it's a bunch of stranngggeee coincidences.
Nonetheless, solid backup goalie, enjoy retirement, don't design any more masks and be on good behaviour maybe we'll forget about this.
I'm no fan of Trumpers (and Nazis) but I'll need more than the last two letters of his name stylized on his mask to call him one.
Personally I think if his name was John Hoss from Texas, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Again, it's a stylization that Germans are particularly hyper focused on. There are laws in Germany preventing the use of that kind of stylization. Even when the band KISS tours in Germany, they change the last two letters to conform to those laws.
It certainly could be a coincidence, but its association is not something Greiss wouldn't have been aware of.
Yikes, I didn't realize he pulled this crap. Was gonna wish him well but f off, Foff.
Quick, somebody ask KISS if they’re actually a Neo-Nazi band.
And it’s clearly intentional, because Gene Simmons is Jewish, so there is no way he isn’t aware of this symbol!
And it’s clearly intentional, because Gene Simmons is Jewish, so there is no way he isn’t aware of this symbol!
if we're going to keep doing this, we're going to keep it to a discussion of Greiss, and not a general discussion of politics.
Yes, it will be difficult. You're all old enough to theoretically be able to handle it.
Yes, it will be difficult. You're all old enough to theoretically be able to handle it.
Ever heard of a dog whistle? It's all about plausible deniability.
Edit: and that's all I'll say about that.
"happy" retirement to Greiss.
Quick, somebody ask KISS if they’re actually a Neo-Nazi band.
And it’s clearly intentional, because Gene Simmons is Jewish, so there is no way he isn’t aware of this symbol!
How Nazi Comparisons Forced Kiss to Change Their Logo in Germany
Kiss have had to change their logo to avoid German laws prohibiting the display of symbols resembling Nazi Party designs.
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Quick, somebody ask KISS if they’re actually a Neo-Nazi band.
And it’s clearly intentional, because Gene Simmons is Jewish, so there is no way he isn’t aware of this symbol!
As stated above, KISS actually changes their logo when they tour in Germany, because they ARE aware of what that symbolizes.
If it were just “one thing on one occasion,” plausible deniability would extend a bit further.
Multiple instances referencing different bits of iconography from the same ‘hot button topic’ screams of “edge-lord” behaviour.
Add in the other stuff and the “talented goalie & likely nutjob” tags land too easily for someone who should be more aware of his home nation’s combo of aversion and sensitivity to the topic.
I’d be conflicted on all the well-wishing were he on my team.
“At the end of the day it’s about human rights, not politics.” - Robin Lehner
Multiple instances referencing different bits of iconography from the same ‘hot button topic’ screams of “edge-lord” behaviour.
Add in the other stuff and the “talented goalie & likely nutjob” tags land too easily for someone who should be more aware of his home nation’s combo of aversion and sensitivity to the topic.
I’d be conflicted on all the well-wishing were he on my team.
“At the end of the day it’s about human rights, not politics.” - Robin Lehner
So they had to change the logo for German merch, advertising etc. to comply with German law.
Clearly, then, they know what the symbol means.
So why haven’t they changed their logo everywhere else? Are they Nazis?
Not all four, but one doesn’t have to look hard to find Paul Stanley’s opinion on his former bandmates, up to and including the appreciation of anti-Semitism shown by Frehley and Criss used to try and sabotage the band.
(allegedly)
Speaking of which
LOL…..well played.
Lehner’s at least a likable nut job. Keep him away from ink parlors & people selling snake farms though.
actually, that's a lot tamer than i was expecting. stupid and immature but also childish junk not worth cancelling over or doing more than raising an eyebrow imo. if i cancelled everyone who i thought had stupid, lazy and immature political views then about 90% of the population would lose the right to vote tomorrow and that percentage would be higher among professional athletes.
but repeatedly trolling on nazi imagery is not a thing you do if you want to represent the country of .... germany on the international stage and if was a german selector i would not let it pass or trust his judgment not to make it worse. even just being cynical about it, that's major tabloid bait right there, and germany has major tabloids. a nazi goalie story could get serious legs in germany and become a huge pr problem for the team.
Basically this.
It’s far easier to design a bad-ass goalie mask than it is to design a bad-ass ‘looking’ goalie mask that incorporates various touches from an extremely taboo subject. Harder still to incorporate images in that pipeline multiple times.
That desire to see how far one can push while staying within the range of what would be defended by those unaware with Germany’s approach to such icons? That’s where the desire to be edgy shows, and it usually doesn’t appear behind the best opinions on human rights, ethics, etc.
“Oh, he likes bikes!” “Er, that’s just the colour scheme of his jersey!”
Naaaah……he knows what he was doing. And was obviously fine with it. Odd way to go about attempting to not look like a piece of shit when the parameter in question is simple human decency.
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I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the colour scheme one, but yeah he definitely would have understood the symbolism of the SS on his helmet.
Maybe he just liked the design (everything else aside, the stylized lightning bolt S does look good in a vacuum) and figured he could do it in NA without the association it carries?
He’s still Deutscher. He’d have known that the SS stylization was a poor move.
And he followed it up with a mask that had more than a little Wehrmacht in it.
Like I said before; maybe once can be an accident, but twice is evidence of effort.
Again, I think the wehrmacht one is far more likely to just be coincidental, especially considering he was playing for Detroit whose jerseys have included red and black stripes before.
That’s what makes the assumption that it’s all fine a little more like slipping into a warm bath.
Consider that he wouldn’t have gotten away with it in Germany. If he wore that in Kreuzberg, Berlin, bottles would have been thrown.
It’s similar to how the number of people in the US that own a pickup truck with multiple rebel stickers who don’t know that they’re performing a provocation on some level these days is virtually zero. He could have had that mask done 100,000 ways…..and he chose the Wehrmacht-looking design.
If a US-born goalie were to go full-Kid Rock and have a stars & bars mask, he’d get pilloried in much the same way, though lacking the voracity shown by a solid number of Germans who want nothing to do with fascists other than punching the shit out of them.
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