Thomas Greiss retires

[SI90]

Not sure what this has to do with me or why you quoted me.

Didn’t mean to quote you in that

 

[Rob Brown]

Why don't you actually read the story I posted and tell me what you think it says.

Google Translate works fine. I grew up in Germany and the translation suffices.

Basically they show examples of rather violent Pro-Trump and anti-Clinton posts that he's liked on Instagram.

That's what they mean by political messaging which the German national team doesn't agree with.

To be clear I wasn't responding to you, I was quoting someone else who happened to quote you, so I don't think the passive aggressiveness is necessary.

Didn’t mean to quote you in that

All good, I hadn't seen those quotes from Sturm before.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

If you show me something concrete that he’s racist and supports that I’ll be all for him being denounced. But to my knowledge he was only an outspoken republican and he was against Hilary Clinton. That’s not enough to condemn and label someone.

You'll notice his right arm on this save - pretty straight right? Little hidden dog whistles all over this guy's career. Very concerning

 

[NyQuil]

Athlete not the brightest or most nuanced political commentator.

News at 11.

 

[stl76]

I believe the “screaming monkey“ is supposed to be Nosferatu/Dracula. Or maybe Bigfoot, given the shadow on the opposite side. But the Nazi symbolism comes from the way he’s styled the “SS” in Greiss along the bottom of his mask. As a German, he should know full well what SS in that style stand for. His other mask with the Wings also had some imagery that was coincidentally Nazi-ish

Looks an awful lot like the logo for biking company specialized as well and Greiss is well known to be a big cyclist:

IDK, maybe Greiss is a nazi/nazi sympathizer, but the “evidence” in his mask designs is pretty suspect IMO.

Also,

Greiss' new mask is nod to former Blues goalie | St. Louis Blues

Mask is modeled after one worn by Fred Brathwaite in 2002-03 season

www.nhl.com

 

[SI90]

You'll notice his right arm on this save - pretty straight right? Little hidden dog whistles all over this guy's career. Very concerning

I don’t know you but I’m pretty sure we’d be best friends. This is hilarious! Well done sir!!!

 

[Machinehead]

Very solid goaltender. Could have been a starter with a bit more size.

 

[NyQuil]

IDK, maybe Greiss is a nazi/nazi sympathizer, but the “evidence” in his mask designs is pretty suspect IMO.

Yeah, I think I would need something a little more concrete.

Comparing people you don't like to Hitler doesn't make you a Nazi, even if you are German.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

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Had some interesting mask designs.

Is that a Waffen SS design ?

 

[FDBluth]

Holy reach lol. I guess he’s lucky his last name ends in ss.


If you show me something concrete that he’s racist and supports that I’ll be all for him being denounced. But to my knowledge he was only an outspoken republican and he was against Hilary Clinton. That’s not enough to condemn and label someone.

Look at how obviously styled the SS is here. I don't know if you've met many Germans but they are hyper aware of everything related to Nazism and what happened so there's no way he's not aware of that similarity

 

[NyQuil]

Is that a Waffen SS design ?

It is if you look really hard and assume that he's dumb enough to put his Nazi sympathies on his goalie mask for all to see.

Look at how obviously styled the SS is here. I don't know if you've met many Germans but they are hyper aware of everything related to Nazism and what happened so there's no way he's not aware of that similarity.

Did he paint the mask himself?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It is if you look really hard and assume that he's dumb enough to put his Nazi sympathies on his goalie mask for all to see.

I'm willing to bet if a Russian were to put a hammer and sickle on their mask, a ton of hockey fans would be calling for their head smh.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Is that a Waffen SS design ?

Nah. There’s no way a German fella would know about the symbolism of the Schutzstaffel. Probably just a coincidence.

 

[NyQuil]

I guess I have a higher threshold of proof.

It would be a lot more convincing if his name was Brandt and he had an "SS" on his mask.

To be clear, based on the instagram posts that he did "Like", I've no doubt that we have nothing in common and I would probably despise anything even vaguely political that came out of his mouth.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Came to make a pithy “best 3rd round pick in Sharks history joke”, stayed for the previously-unknown-to-me political views. Good stuff.

 

[FDBluth]

I guess I have a higher threshold of proof.

It would be a lot more convincing if his name was Brandt and he had an "SS" on his mask.

To be clear, based on the instagram posts that he did "Like", I've no doubt that we have nothing in common and I would probably despise anything even vaguely political that came out of his mouth.

what about the threshold that he's banned from the German national team

 

[NyQuil]

what about the threshold that he's banned from the German national team

Yeah, for his extreme political views, including liking a post where Trump is holding up a decapitated Hillary Clinton head, and one where there's a T-shirt that says "Guns don't kill people, Clintons do".

Unless you're equating extreme antipathy to the Clintons as being a fascist, which while convenient and probably true in some cases, isn't necessarily true.

"Greiss has been an outspoken supporter of former U.S. President Donald Trump and notoriously likened Hillary Clinton to Adolf Hitler back in 2017. He was also a staunch listener and supporter of now deceased talk radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh. The German DEB has unilaterally decided that these beliefs are not compatible with their own values and as a result Greiss is out."

Team Germany officially cuts ties with Thomas Greiss over his political beliefs

The Red Wings goaltender has been a staunch supporter of former U.S. President Donald Trump.

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[SI90]

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Look at how obviously styled the SS is here. I don't know if you've met many Germans but they are hyper aware of everything related to Nazism and what happened so there's no way he's not aware of that similarity

Obviously it’s similar but it doesn’t mean he’s a Nazi supporter. What about the artist who made the mask? Of Greiss specifically told him that’s what he wanted then we would know. Hey make sure you use the ss in my name and make it look like the Nazi SS. It’s still a reach in my opinion. Is it possible? Yes absolutely but that’s not enough to support labeling someone.

Yeah, for his extreme political views, including liking a post where Trump is holding up a decapitated Hillary Clinton head, and one where there's a T-shirt that says "Guns don't kill people, Clintons do".

The irony of Germany upset about something like that is amazing.

 

[NyQuil]

The irony of Germany upset about something like that is amazing.

They are extra sensitive about this kind of thing for obvious reasons.

 

[SI90]

I guess I have a higher threshold of proof.

It would be a lot more convincing if his name was Brandt and he had an "SS" on his mask.

To be clear, based on the instagram posts that he did "Like", I've no doubt that we have nothing in common and I would probably despise anything even vaguely political that came out of his mouth.

I respect this so much. You’re most likely not aligned with him politically but you have enough common sense to not instantly condemn him without having actually concrete proof. You’re not following the easy narrative

They are extra sensitive about this kind of thing for obvious reasons.

Absolutely.

 

[NyQuil]

I respect this so much. You’re most likely not aligned with him politically but you have enough common sense to not instantly condemn him without having actually concrete proof. You’re not following the easy narrative

It's really more of a Tony DeAngelo situation.

If he wasn't German, people wouldn't automatically go there. Same for Stutzle.

Surprise, there are plenty of Nazis who aren't from Germany.

 

[stl76]

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Look at how obviously styled the SS is here. I don't know if you've met many Germans but they are hyper aware of everything related to Nazism and what happened so there's no way he's not aware of that similarity

Thomas Greiss loves the thrill

When he’s not snagging slapshots or reining in rebounds over the course of an NHL season, Thomas Greiss doesn’t turn to the golf course to satiate his sporting side during the summer months - he grabs his mountain biking gear.

www.nhlpa.com

“WHEN I PLAYED WITH SAN JOSE, BRENT BURNS AND I HAD A GREAT TIME RIDING WITH THE AWESOME PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET AT THE SPECIALIZED HEADQUARTERS IN MORGAN HILL (CALIFORNIA)…”​

“There are so many great bikes out there and almost every company is producing great bikes, but the Yeti SB6c is one of my favorite bikes – always had a week spot for yeti bikes, or a Specialized Enduro 29er."

Weird that this guy who loves cycling using yeti and specialized bikes would have a mask with yetis on it and “S”’s that resemble the Specialized logo.

 

[FDBluth]

Obviously it’s similar but it doesn’t mean he’s a Nazi supporter. What about the artist who made the mask? Of Greiss specifically told him that’s what he wanted then we would know. Hey make sure you use the ss in my name and make it look like the Nazi SS. It’s still a reach in my opinion. Is it possible? Yes absolutely but that’s not enough to support labeling someone.

Of course he wouldn't ask someone to say "hey make the SS like those Nazis did". But he could show them how he'd like the SS to be designed, and maybe the mask painter wasn't aware. Germans are PAINFULLY aware of all of the Nazi stuff, it's beaten into them since childhood in school--there's no way he wouldn't know. And if he did know and disagreed, he wouldn't wear the mask. Everyone knows the colours of the nazi flag too.

I think it's a lot more of a reach to say it's unrelated, especially given his other political actions. Of course people are allowed to have different views, even amongst Republican/Trump supporters, but it's not super inconsistent for someone to be liking vile anti-Hillary rhetoric on social media and also funnily having not-so-vague Nazi symbolism on their equipment.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

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Look at how obviously styled the SS is here. I don't know if you've met many Germans but they are hyper aware of everything related to Nazism and what happened so there's no way he's not aware of that similarity

Maybe he's just a big Harry Potter fan...

The cycling thing actually makes sense as posted above

 

[NyQuil]

Of course he wouldn't ask someone to say "hey make the SS like those Nazis did". But he could show them how he'd like the SS to be designed, and maybe the mask painter wasn't aware. Germans are PAINFULLY aware of all of the Nazi stuff, it's beaten into them since childhood in school--there's no way he wouldn't know. And if he did know and disagreed, he wouldn't wear the mask. Everyone knows the colours of the nazi flag too.

I really think this is more of a reach. I grew up in Germany too BTW. (Hamburg and Bonn)

The fact that he's German actually makes people go there much more quickly. It's actually prejudicial.

I think it's a lot more of a reach to say it's unrelated, especially given his other political actions. Of course people are allowed to have different views, even amongst Republican/Trump supporters, but it's not super inconsistent for someone to be liking vile anti-Hillary rhetoric on social media and also funnily having not-so-vague Nazi symbolism on their equipment.

Here's a vocal Trump supporter garbed in the colours of the Nazi flag: