Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

[PlayOn]

Don't think Chabot will be in our long term plans. Jensen can't be expected to maintain his level of play as he ages. If Chabot bring effective requires Jensen, I'd rather just let Yakemchuk develop into our 2RD and find an LF that compliments him. Maybe Kleven can develop into that or maybe we find a cheaper LD.

I think too much gets made of Jensen being his partner tbh. He just needs a proper NHL dman, whether it’s Jensen or someone else.

That being said I don’t see him being here beyond his contract, and maybe sooner than that. I don’t think he should be moved unless you can get a really solid RD or a swap like Norris for Cozens that you like though. He’s still a very good dman and does way more good than bad for us, I think he’s a tough player to replace right now.

 

[Loach]

I think too much gets made of Jensen being his partner tbh. He just needs a proper NHL dman, whether it’s Jensen or someone else.

That being said I don’t see him being here beyond his contract, and maybe sooner than that. I don’t think he should be moved unless you can get a really solid RD or a swap like Norris for Cozens that you like though. He’s still a very good dman and does way more good than bad for us, I think he’s a tough player to replace right now.

I don't see him here beyond the next trade deadline. Another part of the evaluation of the team. Dude got called out by Martin and told to get it together at end of season. Goose is cooked.

 

[PlayOn]

I don't see him here beyond the next trade deadline. Another part of the evaluation of the team. Dude got called out by Martin and told to get it together at end of season. Goose is cooked.

Well he responded, did he not?

I am really not gleaning much from anyone this playoffs if it’s their first time. No one has really stood out and that’s fine. We’ll see who comes back better next year.

Anyway, who knows what Staios is planning on doing. If the return makes sense then I can see him being moved, not sure they’re in a rush to do it though.

 

[Loach]

Well he responded, did he not?

I am really not gleaning much from anyone this playoffs if it’s their first time. No one has really stood out and that’s fine. We’ll see who comes back better next year.

Anyway, who knows what Staios is planning on doing. If the return makes sense then I can see him being moved, not sure they’re in a rush to do it though.

He looked like the same Chabot to me, until maybe half way through the last game. Guy has brain farts. And even when he plays good, it's not because he makes less brain farts, if you know what I mean. He can't carry a pair. He can't bail out a partner. He's....high maintenance. When is enough?

 

[robsenz]

I like Chabot, but I knew from day one he's not a guy that is going to elevate his game, he's too skilled and is going to be on cruise control the rest of his career.

 

[aragorn]

Tkachuk with a bad hip playing around 60% has two goals, it would be nice if some of the other guys could maybe help out a bit & we could get a save when we need one.

 

[DrEasy]

I don't know what people expect. He had a great season, he can carry the puck out of trouble, and yes he's lackadaisical, he's hesitant when shooting and can be soft defensively. That's par for the course for a second pairing defenseman. His contract is going to increasingly look better (or less bad) as the cap rises. There are much bigger problems on this roster than Chabot.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not sure which he is referring to but

60.53 CF%
56.44 SF%
58.00 XGF%
61.61 SCF%
56.82 HDCF%

Not too Chabby!

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Chabot was fine, just needs a decent partner. Jensen is good enough in that regard but I think the Sens need to upgrade on him to really do some damage in the playoffs. Easier said than done of course.

 

[bashbros32]

I think I'm genuinely starting to lose my mind with some of the takes these past few days...

Looking to trade Chabot and Batherson when there are VERY clear upgrades to made in other KEY spots in the lineup...

I don't think we move on from either of these players until Giroux, Perron, Jensen, and maybe even Zub are upgraded... They are just too valuable to the team in the positions they play.

You don't trade Chabot after he just started to find his game again this year, he played the best hockey he has played in years.

Same with Batherson, 27 year old 70ish point scorer making under $5M... sure, he had a weak postseason, but that is not a reason to trade him when you have two 37 year olds in your top 6, and no internal upgrades in sight. (No Greig is not going to be a top six forward unless he finds more offence and discipline)

 

[R2010]

Not sure which he is referring to but

60.53 CF%
56.44 SF%
58.00 XGF%
61.61 SCF%
56.82 HDCF%

Not too Chabby!

The best way of describing his play style is that the ice is slanted towards the opposing net while he's on the ice. The puck is constantly being transported away from his zone.

There are defenders who are better 1 on 1 but who spend half the game in their own zone and give up lots of shots.

 

[JungleBeat]

No motor or extra gear with intensity. The Sens are better off spending $8M elsewhere.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Chabot is an important part of why our LD is a massive strength for this team. We need to add a solid RD to round out the RD and push Palo down to #7 while Yak develops in a key role in Belleville.

Chabot had an excellent season and a good playoff series. It would be dumb to trade him in my opinion.

Bath on the other hand could be used to pivot in a different direction in his position.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He’s playing the same as he always does. Weak, soft and zero intensity. It’s fair to say he is what he is at this point. Time to move on from him.

Not even close to accurate for this year.

 

[Xspyrit]

Something I suggested in the past and IMO should have been done

Chabot - Sanderson
Chychrun - Zub
Kleven - Brannstrom
Matinpalo

But we don't like playing our our off-side (even players who can). They only played 70 mins together this season but looking at metrics (and logic), Chabot - Sanderson would be elite, maybe even the best pair in the league. This is what I would have done to make sure that Chychrun was going to be successful here and would have been wanting to be part of it. Nothing against Jensen but wr lost big time on that trade and the guy is just a stop gap when you want to build a contender.

Chabot was fine, just needs a decent partner. Jensen is good enough in that regard but I think the Sens need to upgrade on him to really do some damage in the playoffs. Easier said than done of course.

If we want to become better (IMO we either sign Giroux for less and trade Perron or we don't re-sign Giroux and re-invest his salary) :

?????? - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Pinto - Cozens
Zetterlund - Greig - ??????
?????? - Gaudette - Amadio
Reinhardt

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - ??????
Kleven - Jensen
Matinpalo

Ullmark
Merilainen

Or if we can't fin a RHD, play Chabot-Sanderson together and find a LHD. IMO we need a physical Top-4 D-man, a Top-6 LW/RW and a Top-9 LW/RW to take another step. Really really need someone to play with Stutzle.

 

[Xspyrit]

I think I'm genuinely starting to lose my mind with some of the takes these past few days...

Looking to trade Chabot and Batherson when there are VERY clear upgrades to made in other KEY spots in the lineup...

I don't think we move on from either of these players until Giroux, Perron, Jensen, and maybe even Zub are upgraded... They are just too valuable to the team in the positions they play.

You don't trade Chabot after he just started to find his game again this year, he played the best hockey he has played in years.

Same with Batherson, 27 year old 70ish point scorer making under $5M... sure, he had a weak postseason, but that is not a reason to trade him when you have two 37 year olds in your top 6, and no internal upgrades in sight. (No Greig is not going to be a top six forward unless he finds more offence and discipline)

I have been saying it for a long time but the average hockey fan doesn't know/understand the game that much. There's a lot of variables and nuances in this game. It's pretty clear that our weak spot is on the wing, we are clearly missing a Top-6 LW and a Top-6 RW, basically Giroux and Perron but like 5-10 years younger. The defense is good enough although ideally you'd have a physical Top-4 RHD (a prime Gudas) and a guy like Jensen on the 3rd pair to make Kleven better

We would lose any trade involving Chabot and even Batherson, just need to look at these Chychrun and DeBrincat trades. Your post was bang on

The best way of describing his play style is that the ice is slanted towards the opposing net while he's on the ice. The puck is constantly being transported away from his zone.

There are defenders who are better 1 on 1 but who spend half the game in their own zone and give up lots of shots.

Modern hockey minds understand this, dinosaurs think that a guy like Hamonic is better defensively. It looks silly but I have seen plenty of people who still think Erik Karlsson is trash defensively in all facets. Like I said above, there's many layers in hockey understanding.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I have been saying it for a long time but the average hockey fan doesn't know/understand the game that much. There's a lot of variables and nuances in this game. It's pretty clear that our weak spot is on the wing, we are clearly missing a Top-6 LW and a Top-6 RW, basically Giroux and Perron but like 5-10 years younger. The defense is good enough although ideally you'd have a physical Top-4 RHD (a prime Gudas) and a guy like Jensen on the 3rd pair to make Kleven better

We would lose any trade involving Chabot and even Batherson, just need to look at these Chychrun and DeBrincat trades. Your post was bang on



Modern hockey minds understand this, dinosaurs think that a guy like Hamonic is better defensively. It looks silly but I have seen plenty of people who still think Erik Karlsson is trash defensively in all facets. Like I said above, there's many layers in hockey understanding.

Playing our best defender on the wrong side, and playing a tiny guy who can’t crack the NHL at all on the bottom pairing?

This is definitely not a brag lineup, it’s so bad even Dorion wouldn’t do it.

 

[Xspyrit]

Playing our best defender on the wrong side, and playing a tiny guy who can’t crack the NHL at all on the bottom pairing?

This is definitely not a brag lineup, it’s so bad even Dorion wouldn’t do it.

- Doesn't matter, Sanderson is a stalwart and can do it. Small sample size but Chabot and Sanderson together have elite metrics, which is exactly what you'd expect.

- If you could read properly (and quote the RIGHT post), I said "Something I suggested in the past". It was done when Matinpalo was still an AHL player. That suggestion was to AVOID playing Hamonic AT ALL COSTS. But he ended up playing 59 games x 17:04 TOI/GP, which was pretty damn risky for a team wanting to make the playoffs. Thankfully, the East sucks this year.

- And Kleven lacked a puck mover all year, that's why he was caved in all season and has the worst CF%, SF% and xGF% on the team among Ds. Like it or not, Brannstrom had some pretty good metrics at ES the last 2-3 years, outchancing the other team by a good margin. Kleven size somewhat offsets his smaller stature so it would have been a much better solution than playing Hamonic that much. Thank Alfie Matinpalo came out of nowhere.


Oh and Dorion had no idea how to build a team. He had good intentions but didn't know what he was doing most of the time

 

[Ice-Tray]

- Doesn't matter, Sanderson is a stalwart and can do it. Small sample size but Chabot and Sanderson together have elite metrics, which is exactly what you'd expect.

- If you could read properly (and quote the RIGHT post), I said "Something I suggested in the past". It was done when Matinpalo was still an AHL player. That suggestion was to AVOID playing Hamonic AT ALL COSTS. But he ended up playing 59 games x 17:04 TOI/GP, which was pretty damn risky for a team wanting to make the playoffs. Thankfully, the East sucks this year.

- And Kleven lacked a puck mover all year, that's why he was caved in all season and has the worst CF%, SF% and xGF% on the team among Ds. Like it or not, Brannstrom had some pretty good metrics at ES the last 2-3 years, outchancing the other team by a good margin. Kleven size somewhat offsets his smaller stature so it would have been a much better solution than playing Hamonic that much. Thank Alfie Matinpalo came out of nowhere.


Oh and Dorion had no idea how to build a team. He had good intentions but didn't know what he was doing most of the time

Can do and should do are two very different things. I don’t think the team gets the very best out of Sanderson playing him with Chabot on the wrong side, especially just to keep Chychrun.

In fact, I think we make two potential strong pairings weaker by playing the two anchors together. Chabot and Sandy do a good job being the anchors of our two top lines in my opinion, and Kleven is developing well on the third pairing. We really just need to find one more top 4 RD for now, and Yak will hopefully be ready to replace Jensen in a year.

I have no problems reading, the lineup you posted in the past sucks. Branstrom is not an NHL player. I have no idea why you would share that embarrassing lineup in the present day; it sucked then, and it sucks now. Hamonic is a better #6/7 and trying Mantipalo as #6 are both much better options then and now than playing Branstrom.

As you said, Dorion didn’t know how to finalize the build, but even he knew that Branstrom sucks.