Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

JD1

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Let's take a step back, Tkachuk isn't a bargain, he's living up to his contract and playing its worth. Chabot isn't going to require us to pay to move, he's not Darnell Nurse. What each player gets in a trade haul is irrelevant to how Chabot is a more rounded player than Tkachuk is, and that doesn't mean Tkachuk is less valuable or Chabot is more valuable.

Judging each players value to the team based on what they'd receive in a trade haul ignores the context of how the players have gotten to where they are. Chabot has had to carry the blue line while playing 25+ minutes for several years and its broken him to the point where he appeared to be too indecisive to be our top D. We gave him an above average RD to play with, and he's now an invaluable piece of the team.

Tkachuk is a power forward unicorn who shoots and hits like crazy. That's super valuable, and after having played with the best players we've had, he's developed into an amazing offensive threat. His defensive game hasn't caught up and we need it to for us to be successful.

We need both players to be successful, but it's easier for Chabot to get going because he finally has the bare minimum for a defensive partner, and now he's effective on both ends of the ice. Tkachuk's growth in his own end depends entirely on itself.


Context matters mate. He's produced at a .59ppg (49 point pace) his whole career, played 24+ minutes for every season until Sanderson's emergence, and done it without adequate D partners.

Chabot is by every definition a two way defender, and a more rounded player in his respective position than Tkachuk is in his position.
Tkachuk has the 39th highest AAV amongst forwards. Over the last 3 seasons, he's 24th in points, 19th in goals, plus the intangibles. And he's still improving. Now you might wanna say he isn't a bargain to advance your pov, but I don't think you'll find much support for that view. Make a poll on it if you wish.

I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility - he's thriving.
 

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Tkachuk has the 39th highest AAV amongst forwards. Over the last 3 seasons, he's 24th in points, 19th in goals, plus the intangibles. And he's still improving. Now you might wanna say he isn't a bargain to advance your pov, but I don't think you'll find much support for that view. Make a poll on it if you wish.

I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility - he's thriving.
I think the quality is the same as it’s been the past few seasons, and his icetime seems to be shifting towards a bit more difficult than he’s used too (over the past 5). Sanderson has had the shutdown duties the past 2 seasons, same as this year.

Over the past 5 games he has the most ice time overall, most even strength, and most SH time on ice. He never even played SH prior.

His PP time he’s been cut in ~half with Sanderson taking over that position, ES down an ~2 mins, and an extra ~2 mins SH.
 

Micklebot

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I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility and he's thriving.
His slotting was the same last season though, aside from the PP where he's moved to the 2nd unit, and the PK where he's now a regular for the first time in his career.

There's even an argument to be made he's faced tougher competition this year compared to last.

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I think Jensen vs Chychrun on his offside is the biggest difference, that and his wrist apparently being healthy for the first time in 2 years. The only other big change is Green, maybe he's gotten through in a way DJ never could.
 

DueDiligence

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Tkachuk has the 39th highest AAV amongst forwards. Over the last 3 seasons, he's 24th in points, 19th in goals, plus the intangibles. And he's still improving. Now you might wanna say he isn't a bargain to advance your pov, but I don't think you'll find much support for that view. Make a poll on it if you wish.

I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility - he's thriving.
As an addition BT leads the team in primary assists.
Brady is the number 1 guy on this team that all other GMs would love to have. He is unique in what he does and the best PF in the league where no other Sens player is top 5 in their role. He's the one guy you can trade and get a massive haul for.
 

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Tkachuk has the 39th highest AAV amongst forwards. Over the last 3 seasons, he's 24th in points, 19th in goals, plus the intangibles. And he's still improving. Now you might wanna say he isn't a bargain to advance your pov, but I don't think you'll find much support for that view. Make a poll on it if you wish.

I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility - he's thriving.
I'd disagree with the bolded. I think playing less minutes definitely helps, but having an adequate D partner is probably the most significant factor. Also, like some other posters have provided, Chabot is still facing the same level of opposition, but he's just not on the PP as much, but is still producing.

I'd agree with your assessment of Tkachuk being a bargain. Didn't realize he was 24th in points and has the 39th highest forward aav. He's a bargain for his production, but I still wouldn't be using trade return potential to assess who is more valuable.
 
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Tkachuk has the 39th highest AAV amongst forwards. Over the last 3 seasons, he's 24th in points, 19th in goals, plus the intangibles. And he's still improving. Now you might wanna say he isn't a bargain to advance your pov, but I don't think you'll find much support for that view. Make a poll on it if you wish.

I think the biggest reason that Chabot is having a resurgent season is his slotting. A few less minutes, a little weaker competition and he's been great. Context does matter mate. Paid as one of the top D in the league, he was really struggling to be that. Given a little less responsibility - he's thriving.
I'd argue that not being paired with Chychrun is a bigger factor than minutes.

Grain of salt what with it being last year and all, but Chabot played 231 minutes with Brannstrom (vs the 345 he played with Chychrun) and together they had the team's best xGA/60 (1.82, vs 2.36 w/Chychrun).

Having a good complementary fit in your D pairings is key and we just had a logjam of offensive guys, which is why I think the change to Jensen here has been so positive.
 

Mark Stones Spleen

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I can't help but wonder. Is now the time to put Chabot back with Zub? They have played well together, and in a second pairing role they would be able to play as well instead of Jensen.

Move Jensen up with Sanderson? Maybe Jensen can bring some stability to Sandy too
After years of misuse and abuse, we finally find the guy someone that has fit him like a glove and you want to move Jensen away from him?

Are you DJ Smith?
 

Pierre from Orleans

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Chabot criticism has become much more muted lately after a lot of talk of trading him over the summer. Tkachuk critics are probably going to be a little more quiet now too, at least for a bit. LOL.
He has been great.

He's actually one timing the puck this season. Still takes a bit long to release the puck at times but overall this is the best I've seen him in a long time.
 

coladin

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After years of misuse and abuse, we finally find the guy someone that has fit him like a glove and you want to move Jensen away from him?

Are you DJ Smith?
No. But trying to improve the top 6 as a whole. Maybe Sanderson- Zub isn't working. But we know Chabot - Zub worked. And if Nick Jensen can help Sanderson regain his form, is it something to discuss
 

Micklebot

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After years of misuse and abuse, we finally find the guy someone that has fit him like a glove and you want to move Jensen away from him?

Are you DJ Smith?
Chabot was great with Zub too though, it's the time with Zaitsev/Gudbranson/Hamonic/ect we need to stay away from.

I don't really see it as a necessary move, Sanderson will bounce back, we don't need to kickstart him imo, but Chabot with Zub would be fine.
 

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