Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Extended 8 years 8M AAV

[Ice-Tray]

You certainly seemed to imply that.
If this team was 15 games over .500 and comfortably in the playoffs people would give them more leeway. But right now many are overjoyed the Sens are scratching and clawing their way to possibly make them. However, I am of the school you can still be critical of players, especially those that are established and have a high salary, when they are underperforming. Because regardless of recent success they still are a marginal team.

Jesus, I didn’t say any of this stuff, nor did I imply it.

I mentioned an observation that we often praise one player at the expense of others on the team these day. Like praising Chych by saying he’s so much better than that bum Chabot, etc…

Criticize away man, I’m not trying to stop you.

Moving Chabot to have the space to re-sign DeBrincat would be the ultimate Dorion move

It's not a surprise that there's people "defending" Dorion if they think it's the "way to go"

There is no chance PD would trade Chabot to make room for DBC, fans are really reaching at this point.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Haven’t been in the GDT’s much this year. Has Chabot become the whipping boy now that Zaitsev was traded away?

 

[Adrianopolous]

Haven’t been in the GDT’s much this year. Has Chabot become the whipping boy now that Zaitsev was traded away?

Only on bad plays.

 

[JD1]

Is it harder to replace Chabot or DeBrincat?

In this day and market, I'd be tempted to say Chabot.

For sure it's harder to replace a top pair D than a winger

But that's not where my thought is. I think Sanderson and Chychrun replace Chabot. I don't think we miss a beat on the PP and I think we're better at even strength. In that scenario he's replaced.

So if you move him, how much of an upgrade can you land on RD? And how much of an upgrade is Hamonic slotting as a RD on the bottom pair over what we've had?

Anyway it'll be interesting to see it play out. Our big issue next year is the cap. And I really think the only way to keep DeBrincat is moving Chabot.

 

[JD1]

Haven’t been in the GDT’s much this year. Has Chabot become the whipping boy now that Zaitsev was traded away?

I think Chabot was earning his fair share of criticism before Zaitsev was shipped out

 

[Relapsing]

Only on bad plays.

That's absolutely untrue, and there's plenty of evidence to prove it in this thread.

Guy caught shit here for having a puck bounce off him after a 2-1 play he defended well. Because they're looking for reasons to criticize. It's clear that there are some fans who lack objectivity once their minds are made up.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Only on every play.

Fixed it for you.

 

[playasRus]

Chabot's problem is probably that he's a 7M player being paid and iced like an 8M player, on a team lacking a 8-9M quality defenseman.

Hopefully by 2025 he'll only be 8-9% of the team's cap hit and that'll be worthwhile to have signed him to so much during the last 2-3 years

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Chabot's problem is probably that he's a 7M player being paid and iced like an 8M player, on a team lacking a 8-9M quality defenseman.

Hopefully by 2025 he'll only be 8-9% of the team's cap hit and that'll be worthwhile to have signed him to so much during the last 2-3 years

We’re not lacking one

 

[Ice-Tray]

Chabot will be fine, and he adds an element of transition and offence that neither Chych or Sandy have in their game.

His skating is better, he is faster, and he is much more dynamic with the puck. He also has better offensive instincts.

He is also a leadership pillar on the team who was in the running for captain and wears a letter. He is huge in the community for French speakers, and he is a core player.

You don’t trade this guy, you help him get better and put him in positions to excel.

Sandy looks to be the best with a smart stick, D positioning, and gap control. He’s also an excellent skater and is no slouch in the O zone. He seems like an excellent 2way player.

Chych we’ll have to see, but he is the most physically strong in the D zone, has a big shot and nice wrister, can play in all zones, and is also a great skater.

All in all we have three star defencemen who excel in different areas of the game, but complement each other well and are assets to the team.

This is a group of three, with the defensive D man in Zub to make 4 for now, that you build a championship D core out of.

We should not be looking to trade Chabot for a quantity move, the rising cap isn’t going to be an issue for us over the next several years as all of our young stars are going to be on deals that get better each year.

Big no to moving out a D now that we have a top 4 to rival our top 6. if Kleven can live up to his potential, and either Branstrom or another guy can step in, we’ll have a sick group of 6 that can do it all.

Leave Chabby alone!!!

 

[Alex1234]

The guy is weird

 

[GermanSpitfire]

The hate boners for this player is crazy. One player doesn’t make or break the team.

And I have been one of Chabot‘s biggest critics in recent years.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

The hate boners for this player is crazy. One player doesn’t make or break the team.

And I have been one of Chabot‘s biggest critics in recent years.

I genuinely don't think anyone hates Chabot, but he's played like complete shit this year. Most would agree that it's likely a product of coaching and being overplayed for the past three years and I doubt you'd find many that wouldn't want to see if he recovers with a new coach before considering moving him.

There's a #1 dman in there, we need to bring him back. What people are saying is that if he continues to struggle, even with a new coach, then use his money on a top 4 RD that doesn't get paid 8 Mil, and use the extra on Debrincat. This isn't Chabot for Cat.

 

[Relapsing]

I genuinely don't think anyone hates Chabot, but he's played like complete shit this year.

The language and tone of some of the posts round here gives enough of a reason to think otherwise sometimes.

Even your take, that he's played like complete shit, is hyperbolic and incorrect. If the start of a position is to ignore anything good the player has done, losing objectivity in the process, it's pretty dang close to outright hating on the player.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Haven’t been in the GDT’s much this year. Has Chabot become the whipping boy now that Zaitsev was traded away?

100%

 

[Rodzilla]

I think its fair to criticize his level play considering the salary he’s making and the level he has played at this season. That’s not hate, he just hasnt been good enough although Id argue its not all on him

Id like to see him under a different coaching staff.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

The language and tone of some of the posts round here gives enough of a reason to think otherwise sometimes.

Even your take, that he's played like complete shit, is hyperbolic and incorrect. If the start of a position is to ignore anything good the player has done, losing objectivity in the process, it's pretty dang close to outright hating on the player.

Do you not think he's regressed in the past two years? I don't even mean just stopped progressing, he's legitimately gotten worse. I'm saying this and I f***ing love the guy and don't want to move him at all. Dude should be in his prime right now but he's played so many damn minutes that he's turned into a 30 year old.

 

[Relapsing]

Do you not think he's regressed in the past two years? I don't even mean just stopped progressing, he's legitimately gotten worse. I'm saying this and I f***ing love the guy and don't want to move him at all. Dude should be in his prime right now but he's played so many damn minutes that he's turned into a 30 year old.

Complete ass, and regression, are two completely different things.

I think aspects of his game has regressed, while others have stagnated. I fully believe this is due to his workhorse deployment, and age 26, there's lots of road to adapt to more effort over less minutes as the d pairings balance out.

He's made notable bad plays that are easy to shine a spotlight on, but what about the other great plays he makes pretty regularly still?

Critics are always quick to criticize but too rarely acknowledge good play. I've seen enough of Chabot over the years to trust he can make the adjustment and provide the value of his contact moving forward.

So the next time you think he's complete shit, actually look at his play in its entirety and recognize all of the good work he does on the ice as well, along with his gaffs.

 

[OD99]

Chabot will be fine, and he adds an element of transition and offence that neither Chych or Sandy have in their game.

His skating is better, he is faster, and he is much more dynamic with the puck. He also has better offensive instincts.

I don't know if any of this is true.

Chychrun definitely has better offensive instincts, he reads and joins the play smartly many times a game. He is much better defensively as well.

I think Sanderson will be better offensively next season and is already a better defender.

Chabot has disappointed me this year and I legit think he should have taken a seat earlier in the year (can't do that now) but he can be much better and if the team is going to continue on this push, he must be better.

That said, having him be our 3rd best D next year is a luxury and means we are in a good spot.

 

[Emrasie]

Chabot will be fine, and he adds an element of transition and offence that neither Chych or Sandy have in their game.

His skating is better, he is faster, and he is much more dynamic with the puck. He also has better offensive instincts.

He is also a leadership pillar on the team who was in the running for captain and wears a letter. He is huge in the community for French speakers, and he is a core player.

You don’t trade this guy, you help him get better and put him in positions to excel.

Sandy looks to be the best with a smart stick, D positioning, and gap control. He’s also an excellent skater and is no slouch in the O zone. He seems like an excellent 2way player.

Chych we’ll have to see, but he is the most physically strong in the D zone, has a big shot and nice wrister, can play in all zones, and is also a great skater.

All in all we have three star defencemen who excel in different areas of the game, but complement each other well and are assets to the team.

This is a group of three, with the defensive D man in Zub to make 4 for now, that you build a championship D core out of.

We should not be looking to trade Chabot for a quantity move, the rising cap isn’t going to be an issue for us over the next several years as all of our young stars are going to be on deals that get better each year.

Big no to moving out a D now that we have a top 4 to rival our top 6. if Kleven can live up to his potential, and either Branstrom or another guy can step in, we’ll have a sick group of 6 that can do it all.

Leave Chabby alone!!!

He has no urgency in his game it's a big issue for a top D in a team who want to play in the PO.

 

[bicboi64]

Chabot went from someone who could do a serviceable job replacing Karlsson's shoes in his 55point season to being an overpaid floater.

Its not just regression, its actively becoming a bad defensemen for us and no amount of his good plays changes how he's close to being a liability this season. He went from stagnating to actively getting worse, that's not hating on him, its pointing out that we have an issue with our top defender.

I wanted him as captain over Brady (thank flip that didn't happen), but pointing out he's been ass doesn't mean I hate the guy. I want the issue of our team not having our best D being their best solved. If that means fire DJ and get a coach that can bring back the best in him, do that, but if that means Chabot is never going to be worth his $8 million cap hit, I have no problem moving on from him.

 

[Loach]

Chabot went from someone who could do a serviceable job replacing Karlsson's shoes in his 55point season to being an overpaid floater.

Its not just regression, its actively becoming a bad defensemen for us and no amount of his good plays changes how he's close to being a liability this season. He went from stagnating to actively getting worse, that's not hating on him, its pointing out that we have an issue with our top defender.

I wanted him as captain over Brady (thank flip that didn't happen), but pointing out he's been ass doesn't mean I hate the guy. I want the issue of our team not having our best D being their best solved. If that means fire DJ and get a coach that can bring back the best in him, do that, but if that means Chabot is never going to be worth his $8 million cap hit, I have no problem moving on from him.

-only good player on the team
-needs a partner
-needs forward depth
-needs defensive depth
-needs less playing time
Now he needs a new coach.
Maybe he is what he is. Mid 40 point guy who is weak defensively and not a high IQ player
Maybe he needs a huge kick in the ass.
Dude needs to figure it out.

 

[bicboi64]

-only good player on the team
-needs a partner
-needs forward depth
-needs defensive depth
-needs less playing time
Now he needs a new coach.
Maybe he is what he is. Mid 40 point guy who is weak defensively and not a high IQ player
Maybe he needs a huge kick in the ass.
Dude needs to figure it out.

For what its worth, I never argued that he needs forward or defensive depth. With a DeMelo or Zub, he's got all the help he needs. With all the additional tools this roster has, Chabot's play is even more frustrating.

 

[Loach]

For what its worth, I never argued that he needs forward or defensive depth. With a DeMelo or Zub, he's got all the help he needs. With all the additional tools this roster has, Chabot's play is even more frustrating.

It was just some of the things that have been said. Not you. "Need better forwards for him to get the puck to." "Need more depth on Defence so other teams don't just focus on him" kimd of things.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Thomas Chabot has been very disappointing this season, he has become a liability for us, Thomas is a very nice guy but he's not getting paid to be nice, he needs to play with more emotions and jam. He's too loosey goosey out there!