This Pittsburgh Penguins Act is Getting Old

[hotpaws]

If that's the point then Dubas is doing a great job.

Doesn't change that Sullivan looks as out of his element as Mike Johnston or Eddie Olczyk did.

my original point was Sully is still around because once Dubas fires Sully the attention diverts to his roster building

a higher pick is just a bonus

 

[Empoleon8771]

we'll see what happens with my Leafs once the 11m dollar loser Tavares is off the books

sad your reduced to lying since you can't make a coherent argument why everyone should just concentrate on bashing Sullivan , cool

Absolute lol at me “lying” just because I won’t say Dubas is 100% to blame for their issues.

Like I said, your team will waste the career of arguably the best American player of all time with losing in the 1st round every year. But I guess saying “at least we don’t have that dumbass Dubas” will make you feel better about it. Maybe Matthews will end up leaving for an American team that doesn’t have a 60 year losing streak and he can finally win in the playoffs. Just like Kessel left the stink of Toronto and immediately found success.

 

[hotpaws]

Absolute lol at me “lying” just because I won’t say Dubas is 100% to blame for their issues.

Like I said, your team will waste the career of arguably the best American player of all time with losing in the 1st round every year. But I guess saying “at least we don’t have that dumbass Dubas” will make you feel better about it. Maybe Matthews will end up leaving for an American team that doesn’t have a 60 year losing streak and he can finally win in the playoffs. Just like Kessel left the stink of Toronto and immediately found success.

show me where i said Dubas was 100% to blame , i'll be waiting

to bad you have me mistaken for some over the top Leaf homer who feels the need to defend the honor of my team from the vicious hoard of anti Leaf haters and believe you can trigger me by knocking my teams record

i waited literally decades for the Leafs to assembles the young core of elite talent they did and then Shanny who's been punched one too many times in the head bought into Dubas' schtick and handed the keys to the franchise to that incompetent piece of shit and we're still feeling the effects of his brutal mismanagement

 

[WarriorofTime]

Granlund was just a move that didn't work out. Don't understand why trading a 2nd for him is considered some sort of 9/11 event that needed to be rectified (cap dumped) at all costs. He's had a solid career overall.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Granlund was just a move that didn't work out. Don't understand why trading a 2nd for him is considered some sort of 9/11 event that needed to be rectified (cap dumped) at all costs. He's had a solid career overall.

I think this is revisionist history of the trade. Hextall and the Penguins were absolutely clowned on for that deal. It was from basically all aspects, they were dunked on from everywhere for that trade.

Media members said their sources were completely perplexed by it, with some reports saying that Hextall basically offered the 2nd before even hearing the Predators asking price. The entire analytics crowd hated it because Granlund had become a horrid analytical player. Combine those two with his contract left (3 years at $5 million) and the Penguins plan to play him in a completely different role (one he wouldn’t fit in), it’s not hard to see why the hockey world responded as it did.

“It was only a 2nd” is pretty much the only saving grace of that trade. It’s like trading for Daniel Sprong with the hopes he can be a Selke caliber center, it was just a downright bizarre decision for a NHL GM to make. Part of it was the flaws of Granlund, but another legitimate part of it was how the move just made no sense.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Granlund was just a move that didn't work out. Don't understand why trading a 2nd for him is considered some sort of 9/11 event that needed to be rectified (cap dumped) at all costs. He's had a solid career overall.

He couldn't play Sullivan hockey. He stunk with the Penguins.

 

[SomeDude]

He couldn't play Sullivan hockey. He stunk with the Penguins.

Not being able to play Sullivan hockey is a complement to a player.

The trade sucked because it was seen as the last real chance the core had to compete and we went from rumors of JT Miller to paying a 2nd for a guy a lot of people considered to have zero to negative value in Granlund.

Granlund did suck as a Penguin. Sullivan also set him up for failure. He was deployed in a shutdown role on a strictly defensive 3rd line. To the surprise of only Mike Sullivan, that did not go well.

 

[HTFN]

we'll see what happens with my Leafs once the 11m dollar loser Tavares is off the books

sad your reduced to lying since you can't make a coherent argument why everyone should just concentrate on bashing Sullivan , cool

You’re either trolling, drunk, or both. Give it a rest, it should not be difficult to track what’s being said to you in good faith.

 

[BallardEra]

Maybe they were drinking the Kool-Aid?:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5807755/2024/10/07/penguins-2024-25-nhl-season/

 

[DickSmehlik]

Pens fans are desperate to fire their coach so they can miss the playoffs by a smaller margin and end up with the 11th or 12th pick instead of missing the playoffs by a lot and finish with the 1st or 2nd overall pick.

 

[SomeDude]

Pens fans are desperate to fire their coach so they can miss the playoffs by a smaller margin and end up with the 11th or 12th pick instead of missing the playoffs by a lot and finish with the 1st or 2nd overall pick.

I don’t know where you’re getting that. We know it’s over. We’re sick of Mike Sullivan’s stupid smug face. If he’s a good as everyone tells us he is then wouldn’t we tank better without him?

 

[PaulD]

Bad GM - check
Coach with roster that doesn't fit his style trying to fit a square peg in a round hole - check
Terrible defense - check
Slow team speed - check
Old men - check

Bright spots? Malkin has played well.

Some accurate points ..... accept Sullivan has been losing with this team for years. Gone through like 50 plus fowards since he last won a play off round over 6 years ago. Good coaches coach the team they have , not the one they wish they had.

 

[PaulD]

Pens fans are desperate to fire their coach so they can miss the playoffs by a smaller margin and end up with the 11th or 12th pick instead of missing the playoffs by a lot and finish with the 1st or 2nd overall pick.

Or they are just sick of seeing Sullivan remain like part of the building all the while GMs, assistant coaches, goalie coaches, ushers and popcorn sellers get replaced.
last 6 games Pens lead during game.....lost all six.
With Sullivan there we will see another 40 of those. Maybe more.
Team can't protect leads, don't play according to the score, lousey special teams, no in-game adjustments, no line matching, no system that anyone can see. Coach pouts during games then throws out lame cliches after the game. ..... If this guy shouldn't be fired ......no coach should.

 

[Fatass]

Dumping Sullivan won’t make any difference. The club is too old, too slow, and too easy to play against. They are pretty much screwed until those old guys’ contracts run out. This mess in on ownership hiring a GM to retool when the direction should have been to rebuild. It’s over there for the once great core.

 

[hamzarocks]

You are aware that Luigi is saying literally the same exact thing I was saying?





You're sitting here saying "Dubas is keeping Sullivan to protect himself" and "the Penguins aren't going anywhere with what Dubas has added". But the reality is that Dubas is one of 3 GMs responsible for why the roster is super mediocre (fringe wildcard team), and Sullivan is the reason why they're playing like one of the worst teams in hockey.

Wouldn't sullivan be hurting the floor of the Pens current roster?

The pens team as you and others mentioned is not very good. They are a medicore team which should/could be a WC1 or Metro #3 spot and likely lose R1 to better & younger rosters in NYR, NJD, and CAR

That they are now 2nd worst in the league is attributable to Sullivan and his shotty coaching

For the teams ceiling, its limited/hurt by Hextall's idiotic koves + Dubas idiotic moves.

The pens if retooled around by a good GM should be a better version of the CAPs (Crosby has been better then OV in 2023, 2024 and is likely still the better player this year despite a slow start).

The Caps retooled and got younger, faster and more deep (PLD in a lower insuitated role, Strome a few years back looks amazing now, Chychuran looks very good for very cheap cost, Logan Thompson for a 3rd).

If the Pens had that level of management they would be a legit playoff contender who despite their aging/elderly core could be contending for a deep run/cup if they had a stronger coach (ceiling raiser) then MS.

Management has f***ed the quality of team and support and Sullivan is a caveman who is fixated on his style of roster/tactics/strategies even if they fail to work/compliment the Pens players

 

[PaulD]

Dumping Sullivan won’t make any difference. The club is too old, too slow, and too easy to play against. They are pretty much screwed until those old guys’ contracts run out. This mess in on ownership hiring a GM to retool when the direction should have been to rebuild. It’s over there for the once great core.

Won't make a difference? Well if that's a basis for job security then why fire Hextall and Burke? Why fire his assistsnt coaches a couple months back. Why the turn over of players every summer?
Everyone is replaceable except Sully . lol

 

[Fatass]

Won't make a difference. Well if that's a basis for job security then where is Hextall and Burke? Why fire his assistsnt coaches a couple months back. Why the turn over of players every summer?

Hence the attempt to retool and not rebuild. These are all moves clubs make in hoping to get more out of an aging core. One last kick at the can, so to speak. It isn’t going to make any difference replacing the coach.
They are in need of a rebuild and need to move on from those old core players. But they can’t now because those old guys have term on their contracts. It would take sweetening deals to move them with picks and prospects; two things the Pens lack and need to be adding, not moving out.
The Pens are in for a very long and painful period of losing. Hopefully their fans keep supporting them.

 

[eXile3]

Dumping Sullivan won’t make any difference. The club is too old, too slow, and too easy to play against. They are pretty much screwed until those old guys’ contracts run out. This mess in on ownership hiring a GM to retool when the direction should have been to rebuild. It’s over there for the once great core.

Spoken like someone who has not watched Mike Sullivan hockey.

It would most definitely make them better, but not good. People don’t understand how bad Sully is.

But it might be worth it to keep him. It gives a better chance of drafting high. The worry is if he gets his hands on young players. He’s already done his best to ruin McGroaty a solid month into his career.

 

[Fatass]

Spoken like someone who has not watched Mike Sullivan hockey.

It would most definitely make them better, but not good. People don’t understand how bad Sully is.

But it might be worth it to keep him. It gives a better chance of drafting high. The worry is if he gets his hands on young players. He’s already done his best to ruin McGroaty a solid month into his career.

How many Cups does Sullivan have coaching the Pens?

 

[randywoodsghost]

He’s already done his best to ruin McGroaty a solid month into his career.

Is he coaching him in WBS too, where he is a -4 with 0 points in 4 games?

 

[eXile3]

Is he coaching him in WBS too, where he is a -4 with 0 points in 4 games?

Is the head coach coordinating with the farm team where they have him killing penalties? I assume so yes.

Sullivan came out to the press and said he would need to learn how to PK before playing in the pros and he’s down on the farm team killing penalties.

 

[eXile3]

How many Cups does Sullivan have coaching the Pens?

How many Cups does Scotty Bowman have with the Wings? It’s irrelevant. He’s won one playoff round in the last 7, about to be 8 seasons.

And yes this roster stinks, but he’s had better ones during that time. Spending to the cap every year. Any other coach would have been canned after that kind of performance.

 

[57special]

Sad to see the Pens the way they are. Even Sid seems to have lost heart. If he wants to go Cup chasing, PIT should let him go with their blessing. Things have come full circle, and PIT is due for their Dick Tarnstrom V2 era to begin.

 

[PaulD]

Hence the attempt to retool and not rebuild. These are all moves clubs make in hoping to get more out of an aging core. One last kick at the can, so to speak. It isn’t going to make any difference replacing the coach.
They are in need of a rebuild and need to move on from those old core players. But they can’t now because those old guys have term on their contracts. It would take sweetening deals to move them with picks and prospects; two things the Pens lack and need to be adding, not moving out.
The Pens are in for a very long and painful period of losing. Hopefully their fans keep supporting them.

All the Sullivan defenders are funny. Bend into pretzels trying to justify keeping him despite all the losing.

 

[SomeDude]

How many Cups does Scotty Bowman have with the Wings? It’s irrelevant. He’s won one playoff round in the last 7, about to be 8 seasons.

And yes this roster stinks, but he’s had better ones during that time. Spending to the cap every year. Any other coach would have been canned after that kind of performance.

To add onto that, the previous 2 years we missed the playoffs by a single point. Last year we would have easily been in with a mediocre PP instead of a putrid one. He couldn’t or wouldn’t fix it on the fly. It’s not like we’ve been icing league bad rosters. It’s not out of the question with competent coaching we could have snuck into a wild card spot this year. The hole is getting too deep now.