Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[flyersnorth]

I know someone is going to make this specific complaint, so let’s get in front of it. Making a big acquisition can be great. I’m for any move of any size that makes sense.

They just speak about these things as if they're going to force it. And they have a history of doing exactly that.

Overpromise and underdeliver.

The kiss of death.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Tippett deal is fair to even good.

Frost was the cost of dumping Farabee and not having to retain any salary. No one in the league wanted Farabee at his entire contract.


You think Frost and Farabee were valued around the league?

This board is the only place that thinks those two guys had a lot of value.

Anyone good at player valuation would know that they should have value, yes, and anyone who learned their trade from anyone but Fletcher might have gotten something worthwhile for them.

Calgary clearly thought they had value. They're absolutely giddy to have gotten them for nothing. They're already paying off.

Their actual value was very clearly higher than what the team actually got. Par for the course.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s just PR.

Don’t buy it. Farabee wanted off the team a while ago, there were rumours aplenty he was unhappy with John. They simply found a team to take the contract - and had to pay to make it happen.

That’s where Frost comes in. Torts would not want him back, so he was the logical “addition” in the trade to ensure Calgary took on Farabee’s deal.

You can debate the genius behind the trade, but common sense that’s why it was made.

The PR about making a big splash is nonsense. They will try, the same as they tried to move up for Demidov, or how Chuck tried.

What you’re looking at is a Bennet overpay at best. No team is trading a 1C that’s actually a good younger player. Even Vancouver made the right call.

They are hoping for an Eichel situation somewhere, won’t happen.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The only player that is matching the horseshit platitudes being divulged is Rantanen.

That leaves a trade and I’m sure they can’t wait to handout some of the draft capital they acquired for their mega draft.

Can I interest you in a slightly used Mason McTavish for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a long term 8+ Million Dollar contract?

If that happens, I’m just going to spend the thread talking about NFL Draft Cornerback footwork or something.

 

[FlyerNutter]

To add, the only offer sheet I’d gamble on would be Johnston.

Have to think Dallas finds a way to make it work, but that’s a player I would part with significant cap space/picks for.

They’ve painted themselves into a corner with having to do something like that. They ignored the important of the draft, yet again. Or drafting high enough, to be more accurate.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I know someone is going to make this specific complaint, so let’s get in front of it. Making a big acquisition can be great. I’m for any move of any size that makes sense.

They just speak about these things as if they're going to force it. And they have a history of doing exactly that.

The first thread with offer sheet rumors is going to be a Holy War if that RFA list is any indication. There are some questionable players turning quite expensive.

Someone will mumble meatily about how it is OK to overpay because the cap is going up.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Anyone good at player valuation would know that they should have value, yes, and anyone who learned their trade from anyone but Fletcher might have gotten something worthwhile for them.

Calgary clearly thought they had value. They're absolutely giddy to have gotten them for nothing. They're already paying off.

Their actual value was very clearly higher than what the team actually got. Par for the course.

Multiple sources saying no team would take Farabee at his entire cap hit.

Briere been dangling frost to the market for year +.

Briere took less of a return than he could have had from another team just for giggles? Doubt it.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Of the two, I strongly believe that Pelletier is being pencilled I to lineups as soon as he is here. Another strong work ethic, meat and potatoes player will be given every chance to carve out his place.

I honestly don't dislike Pelletier in a vacuum. If we traded a mid round pick for him I'd be ok with it. The problem is who went to the Flames in the deal. If the deal was Farabee for Pelletier and a first and then Frost got traded for something like a mid rounder or two I probably wouldn't be that upset. The problem is it was Farabee AND Frost for a throwaway pick, a throwaway player, Pelletier, and a second. I generally don't have a problem trading pretty much anyone on the roster to tank and accumulate assets. Even if the trades aren't great as long as they are forward thinking it really isn't the end of the world. But when the trade hurts short and long term wtf are we doing?

 

[freakydallas13]

Multiple sources saying no team would take Farabee at his entire cap hit.

Citations needed.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Not a single top line center will be available in FA and teams don’t trade those guys without massive overpayment.

JFC, this is gonna be horrific

100% they gunna trade/sign for a old dog with at least 5 yrs left on a aboltross contract

 

[kudymen]

The "have to give away Frost to trade Farabee" reasoning is a "had to pay a 2nd to trade Gostisbehere" level copium.

Then dont trade the f***ing positive contributor at his all time low value, find a way to raise his value and use rentals or overperformers (Laughton? Ristolainen?) who are older to boot to get that cap instead you idiots. Or dont extend a Hathaway day 1.

No. The way to go is to add a (relatively) young 4th highest scorer on the team to get rid of a (relatively) young forward who has shown his abilities in the past but simply doesnt work with the coach (another beautiful similarity there).

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Can I interest you in a slightly used Mason McTavish for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a long term 8+ Million Dollar contract?

If that happens, I’m just going to spend the thread talking about NFL Draft Cornerback footwork or something.

I’d be happy to hear to talk about cornerbacks hips.

I personally didn’t think Vernon Hargreaves could bust because he could swivel like Shakira in this one video I watched.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Multiple sources saying no team would take Farabee at his entire cap hit.

Briere been dangling frost to the market for year +.

Briere took less of a return than he could have had from another team just for giggles? Doubt it.

Then don't trade Farabee. Don't trade Frost.

Nobody forced them to take losses and slash the quality of their roster now and in the future for nothing. They did that to themselves.


Who are these sources, by the way. Flyers media, by any chance?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Then don't trade Farabee. Don't trade Frost.

Nobody forced them to take losses and slash the quality of their roster now and in the future for nothing. They did that to themselves.


Who are these sources, by the way. Flyers media, by any chance?

Anthony Di Marco, and Briere himself in his PC.

I thought I saw Friedman say it, too

 

[Beef Invictus]

Anthony Di Marco, and Briere himself in his PC.

I thought I saw Friedman say it, too

Ah. Briere said so.

The thing is, the Flyers weaponize the media to propagandize everything they do. That's Jones' entire job. Makes it hard to believe this unlikely idea that two proven middle-six players (one on a fair contract given cap future, the other currently dirt cheap for his level of on-ice production at both ends) had simply zero value.

The facts and stats about these players are what they are. Worse players got better returns. Worse contracts got better returns. I think the most likely thing is that Briere kinda f***ing sucks at this and he is a part of a management crew that has spent 7 years bleeding value in 95% of what they do. And so that's what he did again.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I’d be happy to hear to talk about cornerbacks hips.

I personally didn’t think Vernon Hargreaves could bust because he could swivel like Shakira in this one video I watched.

Man, this is one of my favorite discussions about how hard it is to play Corner in the NFL.

Hargreaves had everything. He just never adjusted to NFL speed, so he could only play Press Man where he could put his hands on a guy. When he played Off of any kind, he mentally defeated himself before the Snap. Never gave himself a chance to succeed. He knew he didn't have a handle on how the speed changes the game.

You really do need Corners who are psychopaths on some level because everybody gets burnt sometimes. Badly.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We all need to be asking why it is that Flyers players are always uniquely devoid of value while we watch teams get real returns for the same or worse things.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Didn’t listen but here’s the link:

 

[BillDineen]

Asked about the extra 7th rounder ... "its a swing" LOL

Edit: Plus mentors to guide him. Murray, Lombardi, Homer, Clarke, Barber

 

[freakydallas13]

Ah. Briere said so.

The thing is, the Flyers weaponize the media to propagandize everything they do. That's Jones' entire job. Makes it hard to believe this unlikely idea that two proven middle-six players (one on a fair contract given cap future, the other currently dirt cheap for his level of on-ice production at both ends) had simply zero value.

The facts and stats about these players are what they are. Worse players got better returns. Worse contracts got better returns. I think the most likely thing is that Briere kinda f***ing sucks at this and he is a part of a management crew that has spent 7 years bleeding value in 95% of what they do. And so that's what he did again.

One day someone will do a whole journalism piece on the propaganda machine that is the Philadelphia Flyers. I'd eagerly read a well written look into the morass of Flyers Pravda.