Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[Sombastate]

Oh man this and the first time I heard "wersh". Nails on a chalkboard

Its the worst haha. "seent" and "sleep" are the ones that bother me the most.

Where's johnny?
He's sleep

I wonder what happens with the time saved by removing the additional syllable

 

[ajgoal]

"Jeet yet?"
"Ne, yont to?"

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Coots would never waive but man that’d be nice to offset the cap

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

These Pettersson discussions are eerily similar to Eichel discussions when it was clear his Sabres tenure was over after the neck surgery.

You can always make an excuse not to trade for a guy because of perceived intangible issues. Eichel isn't a great leader. Eichel should never have been made captain. Eichel is lazy and doesn't play a style conducive of helping a team in the playoffs. Eichel doesn't get along with his coaches. Strangely, his on ice metrics suggested he'd be a perfectly suitable player to help a team win a championship.

I don't know how Pettersson fits outside of Vancouver but I certainly know that his career on ice performances suggest he'd be fine anywhere... including in the shit he is currently in in Vancouver.

I do wonder how significant his injuries were last year and if they're still lingering now. I'd still trade for him and then take care of those injuries because the Flyers aren't going to be competitive right away, anyway.

Pettersson is the exact personality that Flyers fans love to hate, though. Still wouldn't pass on this opportunity to lock down a star centre that the team is severely lacking. I have no doubt he would thrive with Michkov. If there's a way to acquire Pettersson without moving Michkov and TK, I almost certainly take it.

 

[BiggE]

Coots would never waive but man that’d be nice to offset the cap

Just tell him that Torts is being extended, he’ll waive.

 

[freakydallas13]

These Pettersson discussions are eerily similar to Eichel discussions when it was clear his Sabres tenure was over after the neck surgery.

You can always make an excuse not to trade for a guy because of perceived intangible issues. Eichel isn't a great leader. Eichel should never have been made captain. Eichel is lazy and doesn't play a style conducive of helping a team in the playoffs. Eichel doesn't get along with his coaches. Strangely, his on ice metrics suggested he'd be a perfectly suitable player to help a team win a championship.

I don't know how Pettersson fits outside of Vancouver but I certainly know that his career on ice performances suggest he'd be fine anywhere... including in the shit he is currently in in Vancouver.

I do wonder how significant his injuries were last year and if they're still lingering now. I'd still trade for him and then take care of those injuries because the Flyers aren't going to be competitive right away, anyway.

Pettersson is the exact personality that Flyers fans love to hate, though. Still wouldn't pass on this opportunity to lock down a star centre that the team is severely lacking. I have no doubt he would thrive with Michkov. If there's a way to acquire Pettersson without moving Michkov and TK, I almost certainly take it.

The problem (as you and others have pointed out) isn't that you have to take a risk on EP (a risk that seems worth it assuming it doesn't cost the farm), it's that we're talking about the Flyers who are the most vanilla and most risk averse team you can imagine. "Path of least resistance" isn't just a rule for electricity, it's this team's creed. Their entire ethos. They whisper it to themselves like the national anthem.

Trading for EP isn't even something that is on their radar. They're not talking about the risks and benefits of such a trade, their talking about how they can resign median second line winger Noah Cates and all the internal players they have penciled into the future lineups. The safe route. The route they know.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

These Pettersson discussions are eerily similar to Eichel discussions when it was clear his Sabres tenure was over after the neck surgery.

You can always make an excuse not to trade for a guy because of perceived intangible issues. Eichel isn't a great leader. Eichel should never have been made captain. Eichel is lazy and doesn't play a style conducive of helping a team in the playoffs. Eichel doesn't get along with his coaches. Strangely, his on ice metrics suggested he'd be a perfectly suitable player to help a team win a championship.

I don't know how Pettersson fits outside of Vancouver but I certainly know that his career on ice performances suggest he'd be fine anywhere... including in the shit he is currently in in Vancouver.

I do wonder how significant his injuries were last year and if they're still lingering now. I'd still trade for him and then take care of those injuries because the Flyers aren't going to be competitive right away, anyway.

Pettersson is the exact personality that Flyers fans love to hate, though. Still wouldn't pass on this opportunity to lock down a star centre that the team is severely lacking. I have no doubt he would thrive with Michkov. If there's a way to acquire Pettersson without moving Michkov and TK, I almost certainly take it.

Would anybody object to that kind of trade package? That first rounder had a top 10 protection on it (it ultimately ended up #16).

We’ll see if Vancouver trades him or not but they’re not going to get some insane haul like a Michkov or even a Konecny. The team trading a star player is never trading from a position of strength. As if everything was going well this wouldn’t even be a conversation about trading the said player.

 

[ajgoal]

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Would anybody object to that kind of trade package? That first rounder had a top 10 protection on it (it ultimately ended up #16).

We’ll see if Vancouver trades him or not but they’re not going to get some insane haul like a Michkov or even a Konecny. The team trading a star player is never trading from a position of strength. As if everything was going well this wouldn’t even be a conversation about trading the said player.

What would be the Flyers' version of Tuch and Krebs? The picks are easy - though the Flyers could offer their first with protection, allowing Van to choose either one of the other firsts this year or Philly's first next year if the protection kicked in.

 

[flyersnorth]

Oh man this and the first time I heard "wersh". Nails on a chalkboard

It has been said irregardless.

What was the last blockbuster trade the Flyers made to bring in a top level player?

Pronger? There's gotta be something more recent, right?

 

[freakydallas13]

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Would anybody object to that kind of trade package? That first rounder had a top 10 protection on it (it ultimately ended up #16).

We’ll see if Vancouver trades him or not but they’re not going to get some insane haul like a Michkov or even a Konecny. The team trading a star player is never trading from a position of strength. As if everything was going well this wouldn’t even be a conversation about trading the said player.

Van's lack of leverage, combined with EP's massive contract: the package the Canucks get for EP is going to less than Buffalo got for Eichel, I can almost guarantee it. And the Eichel deal still would have been worth it for the Flyers.

 

[TheKingPin]

What would be the Flyers' version of Tuch and Krebs? The picks are easy - though the Flyers could offer their first with protection, allowing Van to choose either one of the other firsts this year or Philly's first next year if the protection kicked in.

Maybe Jett, Frost, 1st, 2nd?

 

[deadhead]

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Would anybody object to that kind of trade package? That first rounder had a top 10 protection on it (it ultimately ended up #16).

We’ll see if Vancouver trades him or not but they’re not going to get some insane haul like a Michkov or even a Konecny. The team trading a star player is never trading from a position of strength. As if everything was going well this wouldn’t even be a conversation about trading the said player.

I don't think we can outbid Buffalo if they're serious, they have a lot of high draft picks/prospects they can package, and they're more desperate. They need to do something "big."

Problem with EP is he's become available two years too soon.
This is the deal you make when you're on the edge of contention, like NJ signing Hamilton and trading for Meier.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What would be the Flyers' version of Tuch and Krebs? The picks are easy - though the Flyers could offer their first with protection, allowing Van to choose either one of the other firsts this year or Philly's first next year if the protection kicked in.

Farabee for Tuch.

It's tough to find a Krebs comp because it's not fair to imprint my personal low expectations on him when that's not what the league thought. Call it somewhere on the Bonk-Luchanko scale. Or Luchanko-Bonk scale, depending on your point of view. You're looking for a good, solid prospect rep. But no star real potential. Even the people that liked Krebs I mostly remember calling him a 50 pt Swiss Army Knife type.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What would be the Flyers' version of Tuch and Krebs? The picks are easy - though the Flyers could offer their first with protection, allowing Van to choose either one of the other firsts this year or Philly's first next year if the protection kicked in.

It depends what they’re looking for. I said the other day perhaps Tippett, Farabee, or York are in that mix of potential options if they go for a youngish NHL player as a part of the deal.

It honestly depends what route they go though. Do they go the future-ish based route like Buffalo or do they do what Calgary did with Tkachuk? Either way the return wasn’t exactly a haul even going back to the time of the trade for either team trading the said star player.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m going to be sent to the mad house from the cackling.

“I don’t think we can outbid Buffalo if they’re serious, they have a lot of high draft picks/prospects they can package”

BUFFALO.

 

[ajgoal]

I know that it's not a likely outcome, but I do wonder if there's a feeling of EP being the center they should have drafted. Obviously, we know what's been said about Makar/Heiskanen and the scouts, but if they feel (as they should) that center is a need, might Pettersson be seen as righting a wrong in the draft?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't think we can outbid Buffalo if they're serious, they have a lot of high draft picks/prospects they can package, and they're more desperate. They need to do something "big."

Problem with EP is he's become available two years too soon.
This is the deal you make when you're on the edge of contention, like NJ signing Hamilton and trading for Meier.

But seriously, what are you going on about? The team isn’t tanking. Why would acquiring a player that’s 26 and a star be something that’s too soon?

They’re not tanking to get a draft pick that will yield a top center and now “it’s too early” to acquire a top center when they only come around every few years if even that.

WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?!?

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

I’d say Tippet is our version of Tuch, would’ve been Farabee before this year. Not sure who our Krebs would be. Luchanko is younger than Krebs was and Frost and Cates are obviously older.

 

[Sombastate]

I know that it's not a likely outcome, but I do wonder if there's a feeling of EP being the center they should have drafted. Obviously, we know what's been said about Makar/Heiskanen and the scouts, but if they feel (as they should) that center is a need, might Pettersson be seen as righting a wrong in the draft?

This is why the Flyers aren't on it. They don't right wrongs, they extend wrongs to very long contracts

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's definitely not Tippett for a straight comp. Tuch had significantly cooled off for multiple seasons just like Farabee. You were buying a dip. Tippett is a giant term commitment producing at his NHL peak the last few years. Completely different animals.

That doesn't mean he can't fit that element of the deal. Same goes for York as LoD said. Those are just different assets in the same overarching category of young NHLers and lead to a different deal structure.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I know that it's not a likely outcome, but I do wonder if there's a feeling of EP being the center they should have drafted. Obviously, we know what's been said about Makar/Heiskanen and the scouts, but if they feel (as they should) that center is a need, might Pettersson be seen as righting a wrong in the draft?

I could actually see them buying into the bs Kurz was peddling yesterday to be honest.

I don’t think they realize how much the odds are stacked against them with the current path they’re on. Especially if an opportunity like this comes about & they willingly pass.

 

[phillyjawn]

I’d say Tippet is our version of Tuch, would’ve been Farabee before this year. Not sure who our Krebs would be. Luchanko is younger than Krebs was and Frost and Cates are obviously older.

I could see them doing something like Tippett, Frost, and a mid-range prospect like Barkey or someone, + whatever picks necessary to get the trade done

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Trading for EP isn't even something that is on their radar. They're not talking about the risks and benefits of such a trade, their talking about how they can resign median second line winger Noah Cates and all the internal players they have penciled into the future lineups. The safe route. The route they know.

This is the frustrating part for me. I don't want them to overpay for someone, but if they did it for someone who made sense, that would annoy me less than making whatever mid, lateral, safe move they are likely to.

I wasn't following back then, but from what I know, the pre-cap Flyers were famous for spending their way out of trouble. Fine. Do that. They'll run out of cap eventually, but if they're doing it for players that can actually help vis a vis being a legit contender, I could at least see a semblance of a plan.

Edit: Now that I read the posts after this...if the Eichel deal is a comp, this should be a no brainer. Not close to an overpay. It won't happen though. Be a f***ing Flyer and blah blah blah.

 

[ajgoal]

I could actually see them buying into the bs Kurz was peddling yesterday to be honest.

I don’t think they realize how much the odds are stacked against them with the current path they’re on. Especially if an opportunity like this comes about & they willingly pass.

Yea, I don't doubt that they'd probably covet Miller more, or that they don't believe that they're actually swimming uphill. But I could almost see them wanting to hold up Pettersson and say, "Hextall could have drafted our center of the future, he drafted a bust instead, but we got him."

I'll go back to smoking whatever gave me that hope, though. I know it's not in the top 100 of likely outcomes.

 

[VladDrag]

I don't know what Frost's value is throughout the league. It's been reported for multiple years, they are shopping him, but haven't pulled the trigger on any deals....If any serious offer has even been made.

I think the teams that would value Frost the most would value him as a 'potential meat on the bone' type player. He's put up decent analytics for three years in a row with a chance to increase those if put in slightly different deployment positions. Some analytically based team might look at him as a buy low option. But therein lies the question -- he's a buy low guy. It's not like he's putting up 60 points this year.... So I'm not sure what he league value is.