Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[blackjackmulligan]

All it takes is one dinosaur who covets Deslauriers.

Maybe the Blackhawks want to "protect" Bedard. They're going to suck for a couple more years, so Deslauriers might have value if they think their prospects need an enforcer.

Not one GM excluding the Flyers thinks ND will protect anyone.

How will ND protect Bedard or MM? Lay it out for me.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

All it takes is one dinosaur who covets Deslauriers.

Maybe the Blackhawks want to "protect" Bedard. They're going to suck for a couple more years, so Deslauriers might have value if they think their prospects need an enforcer.

We have the dinosaur who covets Deslauriers.

 

[Boxscore]

Not one GM excluding the Flyers thinks ND will protect anyone.

Correct.

Unless ND is skating a regular shift with MM, this is pointless. What's he going to do, stare down the opposition or beat up the other team's faux tough guy in a 5 second fight? How's that going to diminish opposing regular shift guys from running Michkov and trying to catch him with his head down?

Hint: it won't.

Unfortunately, the NHL is a watered-down shell of itself today when it comes to honoring or enforcing the code. The Flyers are the only team who can't shake this antiquated fantasy. Michkov will be run the same, regardless if ND is wasting a spot on the bench or not. If the Flyers we truly interested in keeping predators at bay they would have packaged Konecny plus other good assets and made Ottawa a "too good to pass up" offer for Brady Tkachuk and pair them on the same line for a decade.

 

[renberg]

The only way to “protect” your star players is to run your opponent’s stars in return. Sending out a goon to slobber around with an opponent’s goon after your star has been jacked up gains you nothing.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The only way to “protect” your star players is to run your opponent’s stars in return. Sending out a goon to slobber around with an opponent’s goon after your star has been jacked up gains you nothing.

oh it gets the mouthbreathers going.. so they can lament how tuff hockey was in the 70s..

"good ol honest hockey"...

 

[Curufinwe]

This is some actual deterrence

 

[trostol]

This is some actual deterrence

that..would be a lengthy suspension..well should be but ya know..star and first time offender type shit lol

 

[bennysflyers16]

Nicky D is in the starting lineup this year and I would be willing to bet anything !

 

[sauce88]

That's basic internet hype, Briere never said Deslauriers will play a bigger role.
A better bet is to look at the second half of last season when they were fighting for a playoff spot:
Last 41g:
21 games, 6:52 a night, CF 50.36%, xGF 51.36%, HDCF 42.50%
compare to
Lycksell 17g 10:10
Brink 21g 12:54

Deslauriers will be the 13th forward, he'll probably dress mostly for road games against physical opponents like the Rangers and Islanders. That is, if he's not moved (NMC expired).

Eklind (6'4 220) and Abols (6'4 205) are big boys to go with Hathaway (6'3 207), Foerster (6'2 210?), Tippett (6'1 209), Poehling (6'2 196), Couts (6'4 212). It's not like they're fielding a team of smurfs.

Farabee - Couts - Michkov
Tippett - Frost - TK
Cates - Laughton - Foerster
Lycksell/Eklind/Abols - Poehling - Hathaway
Deslauriers, Brink

Ideally they can upgrade Laughton at 3C (rather keep Cates at LW).

Ideally they need to upgrade at 1C and push Couturier and Frost into middle-six C roles where they are both suited and are great options for those roles. Upgrading Laughton at 3C isn't going to propel this team forward.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

The only way to “protect” your star players is to run your opponent’s stars in return. Sending out a goon to slobber around with an opponent’s goon after your star has been jacked up gains you nothing.

You’re wrong, there. It gives JJ and Baskow a natural alternative to Cialis.

 

[Curufinwe]

Torts used Poehling as the 1C in must-win game 82.

Everytime I type that out it looks like a joke, but it's true.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's basic internet hype, Briere never said Deslauriers will play a bigger role.
A better bet is to look at the second half of last season when they were fighting for a playoff spot:
Last 41g:
21 games, 6:52 a night, CF 50.36%, xGF 51.36%, HDCF 42.50%
compare to
Lycksell 17g 10:10
Brink 21g 12:54

Deslauriers will be the 13th forward, he'll probably dress mostly for road games against physical opponents like the Rangers and Islanders. That is, if he's not moved (NMC expired).

Eklind (6'4 220) and Abols (6'4 205) are big boys to go with Hathaway (6'3 207), Foerster (6'2 210?), Tippett (6'1 209), Poehling (6'2 196), Couts (6'4 212). It's not like they're fielding a team of smurfs.

Farabee - Couts - Michkov
Tippett - Frost - TK
Cates - Laughton - Foerster
Lycksell/Eklind/Abols - Poehling - Hathaway
Deslauriers, Brink

Ideally they can upgrade Laughton at 3C (rather keep Cates at LW).

I'm pretty sure every time you have insisted some slob beloved by management would be a spare part, you have ended up being wrong.

Playing over half of available games and 60 games on the season isn't a 13th forward.

 

[deadhead]

Ideally they need to upgrade at 1C and push Couturier and Frost into middle-six C roles where they are both suited and are great options for those roles. Upgrading Laughton at 3C isn't going to propel this team forward.

Young 1Cs rarely come available in trade, if one does, I'm sure Briere will be in the bidding.
More likely, it's going to be a group effort, Luchanko and at least one pick in the 2025 draft.

There are only a handful of elite centers at any time, but last season your 15th center scored about 50 ES points. Your 30th, about 45 ES points. So the goal is to find two centers who can score in that range and play at least average defense.

Last season, Frost (29), Couts (28), Laughton (25), Poehling (21).

Top teams:
Calgary: Backland, Sharangovich
Carolina: Aho, Kotkaniemi
Colorado: McKinnon, Middlestadt
Dallas: Hintz, Johnston
Edmonton: McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida: Barkov, Bennett
LA: Kopitar, Danault
NJ: Hischeier, Hughes
NYR: Zibanejad, Trocheck
TB: Point, Cirelli
TOR: Matthews, Tavares
VAN: Miller, Petersson
VGK: Eichel, Hertl

 

[pooch]

There are only a handful of elite centers at any time, but last season your 15th center scored about 50 ES points. Your 30th, about 45 ES points. So the goal is to find two centers who can score in that range and play at least average defense.

Feels like we're aiming low.

 

[sauce88]

Young 1Cs rarely come available in trade, if one does, I'm sure Briere will be in the bidding.
More likely, it's going to be a group effort, Luchanko and at least one pick in the 2025 draft.

There are only a handful of elite centers at any time, but last season your 15th center scored about 50 ES points. Your 30th, about 45 ES points. So the goal is to find two centers who can score in that range and play at least average defense.

Last season, Frost (29), Couts (28), Laughton (25), Poehling (21).

Top teams:
Calgary: Backland, Sharangovich
Carolina: Aho, Kotkaniemi
Colorado: McKinnon, Middlestadt
Dallas: Hintz, Johnston
Edmonton: McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida: Barkov, Bennett
LA: Kopitar, Danault
NJ: Hischeier, Hughes
NYR: Zibanejad, Trocheck
TB: Point, Cirelli
TOR: Matthews, Tavares
VAN: Miller, Petersson
VGK: Eichel, Hertl

Having two centers that just marginally clear those bars you've set doesn't get it done in this league.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Young 1Cs rarely come available in trade, if one does, I'm sure Briere will be in the bidding.
More likely, it's going to be a group effort, Luchanko and at least one pick in the 2025 draft.

There are only a handful of elite centers at any time, but last season your 15th center scored about 50 ES points. Your 30th, about 45 ES points. So the goal is to find two centers who can score in that range and play at least average defense.

Last season, Frost (29), Couts (28), Laughton (25), Poehling (21).

Top teams:
Calgary: Backland, Sharangovich
Carolina: Aho, Kotkaniemi
Colorado: McKinnon, Middlestadt
Dallas: Hintz, Johnston
Edmonton: McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida: Barkov, Bennett
LA: Kopitar, Danault
NJ: Hischeier, Hughes
NYR: Zibanejad, Trocheck
TB: Point, Cirelli
TOR: Matthews, Tavares
VAN: Miller, Petersson
VGK: Eichel, Hertl

Just curious why you are so sure about that? What indication is there to be so sure.

Group effort won't cut it. Jett Frost Couturier. Teams are scared shitless.

 

[deadhead]

Having two centers that just marginally clear those bars you've set doesn't get it done in this league.

Really? Let's look at ES scoring for SC teams the last few years:
FLA: Reinhart 55, Tkachuck 55, Verhaege 51, Barkov 49, Bennett 29, Rodriguez 29, Lundell 29
Vegas: Eichel 51, Stephenson 47, Smith 42, Marchassault 41, Karlsson 39, Stone 27 (43g)
Col: McKinnon 61, Kadri 58, Rantanen 57, Burakovsky 50, Landeskog 44, Nichushkin 41
TB (pro-rated): Point 49, Guorde 43, Coleman 42, Palat 37, Killorn 32, Stamkos 18 (38g)
TB: Kucherov 70, Point 59, Stamkos 55, Cirelli 43, Killorn 42, Palat 37
STL: ROR 53, Tarasenko 46, Schenn 42, Perron 32, Schwartz 31, Bozak 30
WAS: Ovechkin 56, Kuznetsov 52, Backstrom 45, Wilson 33, Eller 32

 

[TheKingPin]

You’ll need an elite 1C to win a cup.

 

[sauce88]

Really? Let's look at ES scoring for SC teams the last few years:
FLA: Reinhart 55, Tkachuck 55, Verhaege 51, Barkov 49, Bennett 29, Rodriguez 29, Lundell 29
Vegas: Eichel 51, Stephenson 47, Smith 42, Marchassault 41, Karlsson 39, Stone 27 (43g)
Col: McKinnon 61, Kadri 58, Rantanen 57, Burakovsky 50, Landeskog 44, Nichushkin 41
TB (pro-rated): Point 49, Guorde 43, Coleman 42, Palat 37, Killorn 32, Stamkos 18 (38g)
TB: Kucherov 70, Point 59, Stamkos 55, Cirelli 43, Killorn 42, Palat 37
STL: ROR 53, Tarasenko 46, Schenn 42, Perron 32, Schwartz 31, Bozak 30
WAS: Ovechkin 56, Kuznetsov 52, Backstrom 45, Wilson 33, Eller 32

If those are the centers in that range, how exactly are the Flyers magically acquiring two of those players if they're not going to draft one or can't trade for one due to availability. Let alone filling out the rest of the roster with high quality players like these teams have.

The way this team builds its roster is fine if the goal is to be in bubble team mix constantly so that fans stay tuned through the season, and that's fine if that's all you're looking for as a fan. The moves they've made show that they aren't willing to strive for a contender status team, let alone one that will win a cup.

 

[BernieParent]

CBJ got rid of Recchi as an assistant coach, wonder what kind of role he ends up with here.

1C?

 

[deadhead]

St Louis traded for ROR & Schenn, Vegas, Eichel, Florida, Bennett, Colorado, Kadri.
Vegas got Stephenson as an afterthought.

Last season, TK (52), Tippett (45), Farabee (43).
They've add Michkov who has 50+ upside.
Foerster and Frost have scoring upside.
Still need at least one center in that 40-50 point range, ideally two.
They drafted Luchanko, I'd expect them to draft at least one center in 2025.

Couts is the wildcard, as much as he struggled last season.
62, 58, 46 (69g), 42 (74g over two seasons). 29 last year
However, xGF 55.00%, HDCF 57.74%, xGF/60: 2.77 (Frost 2.64), SH% 3.68.
A normal shooting season for him would have resulted in 7-8 more ES goals and 36-37 ES points.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

St Louis traded for ROR & Schenn, Vegas, Eichel, Florida, Bennett, Colorado, Kadri.
Vegas got Stephenson as an afterthought.

Last season, TK (52), Tippett (45), Farabee (43).
They've add Michkov who has 50+ upside.
Foerster and Frost have scoring upside.
Still need at least one center in that 40-50 point range, ideally two.
They drafted Luchanko, I'd expect them to draft at least one center in 2025.

Couts is the wildcard, as much as he struggled last season.
62, 58, 46 (69g), 42 (74g over two seasons). 29 last year
However, xGF 55.00%, HDCF 57.74%, xGF/60: 2.77 (Frost 2.64), SH% 3.68.
A normal shooting season for him would have resulted in 7-8 more ES goals and 36-37 ES points.

Acquiring Kadri now would be up the Flyers alley.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Young 1Cs rarely come available in trade, if one does, I'm sure Briere will be in the bidding.
More likely, it's going to be a group effort, Luchanko and at least one pick in the 2025 draft.

There are only a handful of elite centers at any time, but last season your 15th center scored about 50 ES points. Your 30th, about 45 ES points. So the goal is to find two centers who can score in that range and play at least average defense.

Last season, Frost (29), Couts (28), Laughton (25), Poehling (21).

Top teams:
Calgary: Backland, Sharangovich
Carolina: Aho, Kotkaniemi
Colorado: McKinnon, Middlestadt
Dallas: Hintz, Johnston
Edmonton: McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida: Barkov, Bennett
LA: Kopitar, Danault
NJ: Hischeier, Hughes
NYR: Zibanejad, Trocheck
TB: Point, Cirelli
TOR: Matthews, Tavares
VAN: Miller, Petersson
VGK: Eichel, Hertl

Oh so you have to draft 1Cs yourself and draft them high?

You're accidentally making a strong argument against your stance that selling off is bad.

 

[deadhead]

Oh so you have to draft 1Cs yourself and draft them high?

You're accidentally making a strong argument against your stance that selling off is bad.

I'd take Robert Thomas in a heart beat (#20). Aho (#34), JT Miller (#15), Forsberg (#11), Point (#79), Suzuki (#13), Larkin (#15), Nelson (#30).

And as I've shown, SC teams have often traded for centers.

 

[freakydallas13]

SC teams often trade for centers, but this team seeks out face punchers and Ristolianens.