Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[JojoTheWhale]

He could have, but that makes everything more confusing when you look at what the possible reasons might have been, based on reporting by people like Friedman (who don't, y'know, work for the Flyers).

Their line has been "HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE A FLYER HE LIED TO US!" and they've been placing that timeline way early in his freshman year at BC, which makes little sense, especially given that Gauthier attended development camp that summer and himself said that it was "multiple things" that hit him over the "year and a half" since he'd been drafted.

Now, there is a possibility that he'd inquired about signing immediately after his freshman year before that year even started, and they could've shut that down right away, and problems could have begun there. But at that point, Fletcher is still GM. And I think if issues started under the Fletcher regime, they'd have been far more likely to just say that outright.

The most credible insider information, to me, is what Friedman reported:

• They spoke after Gauthier's college season ended on 3/11/23.
• Gauthier wanted to join the team at that point.
• The Flyers didn't want to burn a year of his ELC and/or face a cap overage
• The Flyers said they could maybe give him an AHL PTO for the remainder of the season, which obviously didn't happen
• Gauthier informed them in May '23 that he would not sign with them

Given that Chuck Fletcher was fired on 3/10/23, that would mean this conversation happened in the first week—first couple days, even—of Briere's GM tenure.

So if you had to ask me to guess a narrative, it would be that newbie GM didn't know how to read the situation, was trying to play a little moneypuck with the cap, and didn't realize that the haughty douchebag 5th overall pick was going to be offended by an AHL PTO offer. And was stunned to find out he was. And that the team's full-court press in the media after trading him was distraction for the fact that overall franchise dysfunction/front office turnover resulted in an unprepared new GM walking into an important conversation that went totally sideways and cost them a top prospect.

As an aside, there were BC media people who directly stated Gauthier was interested in signing after the season in '23. They obviously have no interest here either. Hell, they'd want to avoid talking about him being ready to leave.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cutter did lie. He told the Flyers in pre-draft interviews he wanted to play for them. Said on draft night he was born to be a Flyer. And a few months later indicated he didn't want to sign. And then formally requested a trade in May 2023.

But yeah. He's the good guy. Jones and Briere and Ghosts Beer are lying.

How does that mean he lied? He could have told the truth in the interviews and then botched management led him to change his mind. This is an absurd take on the situation.

Have you stopped to wonder why your takes on this in defense of the Flyers fall apart under the first scrutiny? You should.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It’s almost like the Flyers could have done something during that time to make Gauthier change his mind.

There’s no shortages of f*** ups by this organization over the last few years.

 

[Magua]

I'm beyond bored with the Gauthier timeline discussion and sussing out why he left. I can all but guarantee there's a degree of fault for both sides. That the Flyers bungled trading him, while acting like they pulled off a big heist, is the most important discussion point. That we can examine without story time. It's a decision that has had major ripple effects to the 2024 draft. Their poor processes out in the open and naked. I understand why some people prefer to focus on April 2023 to avoid how f***ed the bigger picture looks.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It just sounds like from what like Charlie, ASF, & Therien have said about Konecny’s situation is that Konecny’s camp are operating like they’re not at a disadvantage in this discussion.

Like STG talked about it a little bit but they obviously brought up Reinhart’s recent extension. They didn’t go fully into it but they essentially said you can poke holes in that from Konecny’s perspective. Reinhart isn’t their best player, I am your best player. Florida just won a cup & has been a contending team which probably will continue at least in the short term. That hasn’t been the case here & by your own admittance won’t be at least in the short term. Since Reinhart has been in Florida they’ve won a lot of games even beyond the Stanley Cup & other final appearance. The Flyers have largely been a bad team the most of Konecny’s time here. The final would be the state income tax difference as well.

 

[bleachdrinker]

It just sounds like from what like Charlie, ASF, & Therien have said about Konecny’s situation is that Konecny’s camp are operating like they’re not at a disadvantage in this discussion.

Like STG talked about it a little bit but they obviously brought up Reinhart’s recent extension. They didn’t go fully into it but they essentially said you can poke holes in that from Konecny’s perspective. Reinhart isn’t their best player, I am your best player. Florida just won a cup & has been a contending team which probably will continue at least in the short term. That hasn’t been the case here & by your own admittance won’t be at least in the short term. Since Reinhart has been in Florida they’ve won a lot of games even beyond the Stanley Cup & other final appearance. The Flyers have largely been a bad team the most of Konecny’s time here. The final would be the state income tax difference as well.

The argument of “I’m the best player here so I want to be paid like it” is true and a valid ask coming from a player who wants to (and deserves to) get paid. I like Konecny and I want to see him thrive, just not here. I also understand the Flyers’ reasoning for wanting to keep him (he’s their best player right now) but it doesn’t make any sense with the timeline.

I know I’m preaching to the choir here but it’s asset mismanagement to not move him for a decent haul while retaining salary, and an even bigger mismanagement to have not done it when he had 2 years left on his contract.

 

[Magua]

If you ask the Flyers to shit or get off the pot with important roster decisions, they get off the pot.....and then shit.

Weirdly enough, Konecny doesn't think "Culture" subtracts $1MM AAV. I imagine the front office is insulted that players don't want sub-market value to stay here. They essentially have to pay him to sustain their contending fantasy, after they didn't trade him at peak value.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization
Fingers crossed

 

[LegionOfGloom]

TK's logic that I'm your best player so I need to be paid like the best players on the best teams is asinine. Not every starting goalie (the best goalie on each team) makes the same amount. But if this is the straw that breaks the Flyers back and gets them to trade him, then I am 100% behind TK here.

 

[mr figgles]

inB4 reinjured in less then 10 games

Injured 15 minutes after this picture

 

[TheKingPin]

Agreed, think it’s best for both parties if they go their separate ways. By the time this team is ready to compete, they’re not going to be getting additional value from a Konecny contract unless he’s taking a massive discount.

It’s looking like things could take even longer since we drafted a 2C over a 1D and then have been pushing assets to 2025. Not a good timeline for TK.

 

[mr figgles]

TK's logic that I'm your best player so I need to be paid like the best players on the best teams is asinine. Not every starting goalie (the best goalie on each team) makes the same amount. But if this is the straw that breaks the Flyers back and gets them to trade him, then I am 100% behind TK here.

We don’t know that that is his logic. We don’t know anything really. He might want big bucks.. he might want to be far away from the coach that is an asshole and has been past the 1st round only 3 times is 20 years… we don’t know.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization
Fingers crossed

Between Cutter and TK, it's about time someone began strapping this team to the breaking wheel like they deserve. This is extremely positive behavior because it can prompt evolution and growth. I am sure it will!

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization

Yeah, if things go south with TK, it will be a glorious disaster for this organization
Fingers crossed

They will just paint TK as the bad guy just like every other player who left on the not so greatest terms. The minions will eat it up.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Have you considered that he is lying, though? They lied about Hayes being involved. They contradicted themselves on the Cutter narrative.They made an elaborate PR campaign to sell a rebuild that they knew wasn't happening.

You think this is the time he's honest? Why?

Why don't you explain to us how this is the time the known underhanded liar who has spent years selectively feeding his media pets can be trusted this time, when all other information we have indicated otherwise?

Jones has done nothing to earn trust and much to prove he should not be trusted. Why is he to be believed now? Simply because he is in a position of authority?

I’ll just add that he “heard this in the booth over a year ago” and yet somehow there wasn’t a whisper of it anywhere? The Flyers Front Office was so careless with this potentially disastrous story that a WIP host and TNT broadcast guy casually heard the information and somehow there wasn’t a single mention of it on the air or in a Friedman article or even in a tweet?

It’s just too absurd to believe. All the leaks that came out of the last front office and made it to print and the biggest bombshell story of them all was casually told to a broadcaster and doesn’t make it out?

Jones lying in this fashion makes a lot of sense though… clearly letting everyone know the problems started in the previous regime, clearly stating that he and danny weren’t given a chance to present their plan. He’s presenting a clear message of “Hey it’s not our fault.”

 

[CerpinTaxt]

deadhead, deadhead, deadhead

No don't summon him like beetlejuice

 

[VladDrag]

I was curious to see what the 10-15 drafting range looked like from 2010-2020 because that's the range the Flyers are likely to be drafting.

I see some busts, some bottom of the lineup players, some really decent top 6 / top 4 guys, and very few clear cut 1st line / 1st pairing guys.

Why go all-in on expecting to buck the trend and that you will be the one to find the true gem in a pile of flea market jewelry?

2020

						GP	G	A	P	PIM
1	10	Winnipeg	Cole Perfetti	C	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]	140	29	46	75	28	2023-24
1	11	Nashville	Yaroslav Askarov	G	St. Petersburg Jr. (Russia)	3	0	0	0	0	2023-24
1	12	Florida	Anton Lundell	C	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	216	43	69	112	107	2023-24
1	13	Carolina	Seth Jarvis	C	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	231	64	82	146	44	2023-24
1	14	Edmonton	Dylan Holloway	L	U. of Wisconsin [Big-10]	89	9	9	18	56	2023-24
1	15	Toronto	Rodion Amirov	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]

2019

1	10	Vancouver	Vasili Podkolzin	R	St. Petersburg [Russia Jr.]	137	18	17	35	43	2023-24
1	11	Arizona	Victor Soderstrom	D	Brynas IF Gavle [SweHL]	53	1	10	11	30	2023-24
1	12	Minnesota	Matthew Boldy	L	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	203	75	96	171	97	2023-24
1	13	Florida	Spencer Knight	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	57	0	1	1	0	2022-23
1	14	Philadelphia	Cam York	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	169	15	45	60	68	2023-24
1	15	Montreal	Cole Caufield	R	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	205	81	68	149	30	2023-24

2018

1	10	Edmonton	Evan Bouchard	D	London Knights [OHL]	265	41	130	171	92	2023-24
1	11	NY Islanders	Oliver Wahlstrom	R	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	193	34	33	67	139	2023-24
1	12	NY Islanders	Noah Dobson	D	Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL]	317	40	151	191	90	2023-24
1	13	Dallas	Ty Dellandrea	C	Flint Firebirds [OHL]	151	14	28	42	100	2023-24
1	14	Philadelphia	Joel Farabee	L	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	334	82	100	182	195	2023-24
1	15	Florida	Grigori Denisenko	L	Yaroslavl (Russia-Jr)	32	0	7	7	10	2023-24

2017

1	10	Florida	Owen Tippett	R	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	270	73	69	142	46	2023-24
1	11	Los Angeles	Gabriel Vilardi	C	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	199	63	51	114	50	2023-24
1	12	Carolina	Martin Necas	C	Brno Kometa [Czech]	362	97	146	243	138	2023-24
1	13	Vegas	Nick Suzuki	C	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]	373	108	178	286	131	2023-24
1	14	Tampa Bay	Cal Foote	D	Kelowna Rockets [WHL]	145	5	15	20	137	2023-24
1	15	Vegas	Erik Brannstrom	D	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	266	7	62	69	145	2023-24

2016

1	10	Colorado	Tyson Jost	C	Penticton Vees [BCHL]	456	57	83	140	164	2023-24
1	11	Ottawa	Logan Brown	C	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	99	7	19	26	22	2022-23
1	12	New Jersey	Michael McLeod	C	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	287	29	56	85	164	2023-24
1	13	Carolina	Jake Bean	D	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	197	13	43	56	76	2023-24
1	14	Boston	Charlie McAvoy	D	Boston University [H-East]	454	53	224	277	383	2023-24
1	15	Minnesota	Luke Kunin	C	U. of Wisconsin [Big-10]	359	62	62	124	332	2023-24

2015

1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	570	262	355	617	348	2023-24
1	11	Florida	Lawson Crouse	L	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	504	103	94	197	324	2023-24
1	12	Dallas	Denis Gurianov	R	Tolyatti (Russia Jrs.)	298	52	61	113	60	2023-24
1	13	Boston	Jakub Zboril	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]	76	1	15	16	28	2022-23
1	14	Boston	Jake DeBrusk	L	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	465	138	128	266	101	2023-24
1	15	Boston	Zachary Senyshyn	R	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	16	1	2	3	4	2021-22

2014

1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	481	84	102	186	483	2022-23
1	11	Nashville	Kevin Fiala	L	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	570	176	252	428	331	2023-24
1	12	Arizona	Brendan Perlini	L	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	262	50	31	81	92	2021-22
1	13	Washington	Jakub Vrana	L	Linkopings HC [SweHL]	367	110	99	209	103	2023-24
1	14	Dallas	Julius Honka	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	87	2	11	13	28	2018-19
1	15	Detroit	Dylan Larkin	C	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	652	212	294	506	411	2023-24

2013

1	10	Dallas	Valeri Nichushkin	R	Chelyabinsk Traktor [KHL]	512	116	158	274	78	2023-24
1	11	Philadelphia	Samuel Morin	L	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]	29	1	0	1	45	2020-21
1	12	Phoenix	Max Domi	C	London Knights [OHL]	661	130	287	417	630	2023-24
1	13	Winnipeg	Josh Morrissey	D	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	582	66	245	311	299	2023-24
1	14	Columbus	Alexander Wennberg	C	Djurgardens IF Stockholm [Swe-1]	712	91	244	335	155	2023-24
1	15	NY Islanders	Ryan Pulock	D	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	486	48	143	191	91	2023-24

2012

1	10	Tampa Bay	Slater Koekkoek	D	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	186	8	26	34	104	2021-22
1	11	Washington	Filip Forsberg	L	Leksands IF [Swe-1]	698	287	318	605	301	2023-24
1	12	Buffalo	Mikhail Grigorenko	C	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]	249	26	50	76	36	2020-21
1	13	Dallas	Radek Faksa	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	638	89	111	200	356	2023-24
1	14	Buffalo	Zemgus Girgensons	L	Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]	688	89	99	188	192	2023-24
1	15	Ottawa	Cody Ceci	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	786	48	163	211	170	2023-24

2011

1	10	Minnesota	Jonas Brodin	D	Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL]	803	54	186	240	244	2023-24
1	11	Colorado	Duncan Siemens	D	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]	20	1	1	2	25	2017-18
1	12	Carolina	Ryan Murphy	D	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	175	8	35	43	54	2018-19
1	13	Calgary	Sven Baertschi	L	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	292	66	72	138	78	2021-22
1	14	Dallas	Jamie Oleksiak	D	Northeastern University [H-East]	598	36	93	129	453	2023-24
1	15	NY Rangers	J.T. Miller	C	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	799	238	401	639	441	2023-24

2010

1	10	NY Rangers	Dylan McIlrath	D	Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]	75	3	4	7	133	2023-24
1	11	Dallas	Jack Campbell	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	176	0	3	3	2	2023-24
1	12	Anaheim	Cam Fowler	D	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	974	96	357	453	255	2023-24
1	13	Phoenix	Brandon Gormley	D	Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL]	58	2	3	5	20	2015-16
1	14	St. Louis	Jaden Schwartz	C	Tri-City Storm [USHL]	730	196	282	478	213	2023-24
1	15	Los Angeles	Derek Forbort	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	496	17	78	95	299	2023-24

As someone else who compiles list no one else reads, I support this post

 

[Beef Invictus]

I read every list

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I really hope they can sign TK to a nice team friendly deal but it's unlikely. He's a speedster, I fully expect he'll be a good player in his mid 30's. Early to mid 30's will be the teams time line most likely, I'm okay as long as they dont go crazy and break the bank the cap is certainly going to increase. TK is a character guy and I genuinely think he fits Philly really well, that being said, he's most likely getting traded.

 

[VladDrag]

I read every list

Isn’t that part of your job description?

 

[ajgoal]

My favorite part of Briere explaining passing on Buium was the bit about blocking guys like Andrea. Iirc he's had a cup of coffee so far?

It's as if they can't fathom pushing guys down the depth chart. It's maddening.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

As someone else who compiles list no one else reads, I support this post

Sometimes I even write a bit of code to make those lists for me. I’m so sorry.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

TK's logic that I'm your best player so I need to be paid like the best players on the best teams is asinine. Not every starting goalie (the best goalie on each team) makes the same amount. But if this is the straw that breaks the Flyers back and gets them to trade him, then I am 100% behind TK here.

That’s not necessarily saying that’s his view point but rather more so speculation as to what the likely counter argument would be from his camp.

I’m not even saying this in a cynical way but even looking at through the lens of the hockey bubble eyes. If you asked the Flyers front office to list their most valuable players in the entire organization from #1 to whatever. Konecny would easily be #2 with the caveat that #1 hasn’t even played an NHL game yet & there’s a crater size gap between Konecny & whoever the #3 player is.

You’d be a fool if you didn’t leverage that against the Flyers especially when I don’t think it’s a big secret that they don’t really have the appetite to move Konecny.

 

[ajgoal]

Lmao. Zero chance Clarke is wasting his time on the organization these days. He's living in Florida, taking naps, and spending time with the grandchildren. He didn't even remember Giroux's name when he was still GM. I'd be hard-pressed to believe he'd know Jett Luchanko from Joan Jett.

Convince me Holmgren still has blackmail tapes on someone at Comcast, fine. But Clarke?

@Beef Invictus you have a very keen eye for this sort of thing. Who is that wrinkly old fellow on the far left? View attachment 843094

 

[Beef Invictus]

Isn’t that part of your job description?

Your face