Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[Ghosts Beer]

Just so I’m now crystal clear here… your assertion is that Cutter decided to be a jerk for no reason and said he wouldn’t play for the flyers months before Briere and Jones took their respective positions?

Let’s assume that fact is true for a second… That fact would actually strengthen the Flyers organization’s position that Cutter was just a lying dick that screwed them over for no reason and would give “the new FO” cover “it happened before we were in power and he wouldn’t meet with us to let us share our vision.”

But instead of going with that, you believe that Briere and Jones both concocted an elaborate lie which they’ve told on multiple occasions that the first indication they got that things were going bad with Cutter was in May of 2023? A lie that makes the organization look worse and implies that something happened after Cutter’s college season ended to fracture the relationship?

Well… that’s certainly a thing that you could believe I guess
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I'm saying that both Jones and Briere have said multiple times in multiple interviews that the signability questions with Cutter date back to just a few months after the draft.

They didn't say the first indication they got that he wouldn't sign was May 2023. They were hopeful he had changed his mind about returning to college.

May 2023 is when he "officially" requested a trade through his agent, but the issues and indications he didn't want to sign started much earlier.

You're the one who believes Jones & Briere concocted a lie about when this started.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's your excuse for everything you don't want to believe: "They're lying."

Convenient.

It's true though. He admitted it too. They've built a Potemkin's Village for gullible fans, and you're falling for it. And after falling for it, you scoff at the very idea that the known liar is lying when his version of events doesn't add up.

Your refrain for everything is "management knows best" but if the last 14 years have shown anything at all, it's that they do not.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Bottom line is Cutter should have been signed as soon as his freshman season was over and inserted into the Flyers lineup the next game. Anyone disagree with that?

Why he wasn't signed is on the flyers.

 

[bleachdrinker]

What is the deal with Konecny? No word at all seems more suspicious knowing how cutter and some other moves went down.

I was wondering the same thing, too. Wonder if negotiation is held up after supposedly asking for $10+ and then seeing one of his comparables in Reinhart ended up signing for $8.625M. Wonder if it gets resolved in the summer or Konecny’s camp goes into next season without an extension in place with the hopes of making more $$$ during/after a contract year.

 

[ponder719]

Bottom line is Cutter should have been signed as soon as his freshman season was over and inserted into the Flyers lineup the next game. Anyone disagree with that?

Why he wasn't signed is on the flyers.

Unless he had already decided by that point there was no way he was going to sign with us, and I don't have any reason to believe that's the case, then we shouldn't have been trying to play games with his contract situation. Bring him into the fold, and figure out the rest later.

And now, we might have Drysdale, and probably have a compensatory pick from the loss of Gauthier. (I wouldn't be shocked if Anaheim's 2nd is exactly the same slot as a comp pick for not signing him, just a few years sooner.)

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t think there has been any leaks from either side with TK so it’s just speculation right now on what a possible contract looks like

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Unless he had already decided by that point there was no way he was going to sign with us, and I don't have any reason to believe that's the case, then we shouldn't have been trying to play games with his contract situation. Bring him into the fold, and figure out the rest later.

And now, we might have Drysdale, and probably have a compensatory pick from the loss of Gauthier. (I wouldn't be shocked if Anaheim's 2nd is exactly the same slot as a comp pick for not signing him, just a few years sooner.)

100%. This was very very avoidable imo. Flyers at this point do not get the benefit of the doubt at all.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

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You’re now saying Briere and Jones aren’t liars? You just admitted you think Briere is a liar. You believe that Cutter Gauthier told the Flyers months after he was drafted that he no longer wanted to play for the Flyers, but Briere went on Jeff Marek’s podcast and said Gauthier only told them he didn’t want to be a Flyer in May of 2023. Briere even claims to have been so blindsided by the news that he had a contract prepared and ready to go, thinking that would be the outcome of the meeting (Cutter signing a contract to become a flyer).

Both of those things can’t be true. So either you’re wrong or Briere is a liar… which is it?

#crickets....

 

[Danko]

Drysdale says he had a core injury since the first game of the season with Anaheim last year

 

[flyersnorth]

Those are fair points, but I think Briere has shown us the Flyers still have a fatal flaw, and he (and Jones) are likely nothing more than a loveable face to the same ugly extension of past Flyers regimes that left us puzzled, angry, then apathetic.

The Michkov pick was Danny's first test and he aced it with flying colors. On draft night, as Michkov was dropping, the part of me still slathered with the stench of Flyers draft failures believed that they would pass on him and draft Leonard. When they didn't I was stunned. Maybe Briere was different after all.

Then he passed on Perreault for Bonk. Is it turning out to be the worst decision? No. To your point, Bonk has seen his stock rise in his D+1. But, so did Perreault, who has turned into one of the elite forward prospects on the planet, blessed with high-end, jaw-dropping talent. The Bonk pick was followed by the selection of 325 goalies and Mike Knuble's kid (a classic, throwback Holmgren move). Barkey appears to be an excellent value pick, so Briere deserves credit... although part of me wonders, if that was more of a "broken clock, is right twice a day" scenario considering the Flyers went back to their old, familiar draft stomping grounds -- London. The cynic in me wonders if Barkey didn't dress for London, would the Flyers have considered him? I honestly don't think so, but whatever.

Then the Gauthier trade. I still don't hate that trade as much as most but your point is valid -- it was terrible asset management, especially after seeing what Buffalo paid for Byram. The rest of the year was bitter-sweet but one thing was clear -- the Flyers sold the fans a bill of goods, re: "We're going to stink and rebuild the right way."

While you can never tell the coaches and players, "You need to lose on purpose", there are no valid excuses why Briere didn't deal Laughton and Walker (at the very least) the minute the Flyers started stringing wins together and climbing the standings. Laughton, gone. Walker, gone. Is a team willing to overpay for Konecny? Gone. Farabee doesn't like it here? Gone. Any player who is not going to be at their peak level when Michkov is a monster at 22, gone. Briere's only job was to ensure the Flyers stink so bad, their consolation prize at 2 is Ivan Demidov. Period. If we're being brutally honest, the way Briere managed the in-season last year was borderline horrific. I couldn't care less that they finally squeezed a nice asset out of Walker. He already contributed to the damage and guaranteed the Flyers drafted outside the top 3 or 5. That blame directly falls on the shoulders of Briere. Not moving Laughton at the deadline for very good assets should be a fireable offense, if we're being honest. If that was Fletcher instead of Briere, fans would have become unglued.

All of that said, this offseason has been the biggest disappointment so far, starting with the lame attempts to move up in the draft. Briere wasn't fooling anyone and neither were the silly Flyers bloggers and YouTubers who ran wild with rumors of moving up to 7, let alone 4. It was a week's worth of comedy leading up to the draft.

Then -- and here's where we disagree -- I think passing on Buium for Luchanko was an unforgivable sin that will ultimately haunt Briere for decades unless Luchanko brokers his soul, defies all logic and reasoning, and emerges into the next Nate MacKinnon. Yes, I think Buium will be that good.

Not only was Buium dropping into the Flyers' lap a gift, but it was the ultimate lifeline for Briere to redeem himself for not maneuvering the Flyers into the position to draft Top-5. Despite the screw-up, one of the top D (in a D-heavy draft) was there for the taking and Briere doubled down on the screw-job and reached for a "safe" centerman who scored 20 goals in his OHL draft year. It's almost as if the hockey gods were gifting the Flyers Michkov and Buium in consecutive years. And, instead of running up to the podium smiling like the Joker, Briere chose to flagellate himself like Silas in the Da Vinci Code right in front of Tony Luke's.

In no way was passing on Buium at 12 the smart choice, especially for a reach pick. And, if the Flyers had a 20-goal scoring center like Luchanko ranked on par with a kid who shattered the offensive records of 3 of the last 4 Norris winners in the same program at the same age, then the Flyers could be the most flawed evaluators of talent in professional sports. I also don't care what other teams did. Many NHL GMs make foolish decisions often. That doesn't mean the Flyers have to. Especially during a "major rebuild" where the only goal is to collect as much elite talent as possible, not well-rounded and safe players who "play the game the right way."

I will never be convinced passing on Buium was a wise choice, especially on June 28, 2024. There is zero analytical data, projections, scouting reports, or reputable rankings that suggest Luchanko held more value or was more talented than Zeev Buium. This was a flawed tunnel vision selection made by a GM and club who built their legacy of failures on the back of thinking they were the smartest executives in the room.

And now, what will Briere do? The Flyers are entering the most important second year of their infamous "rebuild" and smart money has Briere positioning the Flyers to miss out on franchise-altering talent like Hagens while extending Konecny to a significant overpay in both term and cap hit. But, if we're lucky at this point, Danny might trade Laughton at the deadline after he's helped contribute to 3-4 unwarranted, meaningless wins in February that move the team back 4 slots in the draft to pick 10 or so. Then again, after seeing the Flyers post a pic of Laughton spooning Gritty on social yesterday, his new 8-year extension is likely being inked as we speak.

I agree with most of your post, especially in terms of outcomes if not necessarily in reasoning. There are too many variables to which we are not privy, but the outcomes are clear.

I also believe it to be true that the Flyers are rebuilding. They aren't rebuilding the way I would do it. They aren't rebuilding the way many other folks here would consider rebuilding.

But they are rebuilding in a way that they believe makes sense for them and aligns with their principles for team building (not selling off all valuable assets in the name of tanking, keeping some past-due assets to maintain some semblance of "adults in the room," etc).

It's definitely possible that they can build a sustainable contender the way they're doing it. I personally don't think it's likely, or at the very least, they've upped the difficulty level of acquiring elite-level talent by short-circuiting one of the best ways to do so, which is drafting in the top 5 or top 3.

I suspect there's more to the Buium pass than we know. His reasoning sounded suspect.

Even with all the moves and non-moves he's done, I don't think any are particularly fatal. The one move I think would be his biggest mistake would be to re-sign Konecny to an 8 year extension. I love the player, he brings a ton to the table, but he simply has more value to the Flyers future plans in a trade than an 8 year extension.

There's also the possibility of death by a thousand paper cuts.

We shall see.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I'm saying that both Jones and Briere have said multiple times in multiple interviews that the signability questions with Cutter date back to just a few months after the draft.

They didn't say the first indication they got that he wouldn't sign was May 2023. They were hopeful he had changed his mind about returning to college.

May 2023 is when he "officially" requested a trade through his agent, but the issues and indications he didn't want to sign started much earlier.

You're the one who believes Jones & Briere concocted a lie about when this started.

Do you have some source for the "few months after the draft" business? Because every time that comes up I go "which draft?"

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Do you have some source for the "few months after the draft" business? Because every time that comes up I go "which draft?"

From the horses mouth but a few months could mean literally anything. May of '23 is a few months after the '22 draft.

Hell, the first time the Flyers were supposedly told that he didn't want to be a Flyer was in May of '23.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Do you have some source for the "few months after the draft" business? Because every time that comes up I go "which draft?"

Here. Listen to this. Keith Jones getting interviewed the day after the Gauthier trade, which occurred on January 9, 2023.

The host flat out asks Jones when the first sign of this started with Gauthier, and Jones replies:

"Well, believe it or not, guys, I heard it about a year and a bit ago when I was doing TV. I heard about it up in the booth up in press row. And especially on the TV side a lot of information flows your way. So I had a heads up that there was a problem. That there was a high likelihood the player wasn't going to join the Flyers. So I wasn't overly shocked to find out shortly after I had taken the job that we had an issue."

And Briere has said the same thing about being aware of a problem in Gauthier wanting to sign just a few months after the draft.

Keith Jones On The Cutter Gauthier Trade - Kincade & Salciunas

Keith Jones joins the show to discuss the Cutter Gauthier trade, and how it all went down.

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Edit: And I'm sure there will be crickets now, or the classic, "Well Jones was lying" defense.

 

[flyersnorth]

I was curious to see what the 10-15 drafting range looked like from 2010-2020 because that's the range the Flyers are likely to be drafting.

I see some busts, some bottom of the lineup players, some really decent top 6 / top 4 guys, and very few clear cut 1st line / 1st pairing guys.

Why go all-in on expecting to buck the trend and that you will be the one to find the true gem in a pile of flea market jewelry?

2020

						GP	G	A	P	PIM
1	10	Winnipeg	Cole Perfetti	C	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]	140	29	46	75	28	2023-24
1	11	Nashville	Yaroslav Askarov	G	St. Petersburg Jr. (Russia)	3	0	0	0	0	2023-24
1	12	Florida	Anton Lundell	C	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	216	43	69	112	107	2023-24
1	13	Carolina	Seth Jarvis	C	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	231	64	82	146	44	2023-24
1	14	Edmonton	Dylan Holloway	L	U. of Wisconsin [Big-10]	89	9	9	18	56	2023-24
1	15	Toronto	Rodion Amirov	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]

2019

1	10	Vancouver	Vasili Podkolzin	R	St. Petersburg [Russia Jr.]	137	18	17	35	43	2023-24
1	11	Arizona	Victor Soderstrom	D	Brynas IF Gavle [SweHL]	53	1	10	11	30	2023-24
1	12	Minnesota	Matthew Boldy	L	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	203	75	96	171	97	2023-24
1	13	Florida	Spencer Knight	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	57	0	1	1	0	2022-23
1	14	Philadelphia	Cam York	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	169	15	45	60	68	2023-24
1	15	Montreal	Cole Caufield	R	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	205	81	68	149	30	2023-24

2018

1	10	Edmonton	Evan Bouchard	D	London Knights [OHL]	265	41	130	171	92	2023-24
1	11	NY Islanders	Oliver Wahlstrom	R	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	193	34	33	67	139	2023-24
1	12	NY Islanders	Noah Dobson	D	Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL]	317	40	151	191	90	2023-24
1	13	Dallas	Ty Dellandrea	C	Flint Firebirds [OHL]	151	14	28	42	100	2023-24
1	14	Philadelphia	Joel Farabee	L	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	334	82	100	182	195	2023-24
1	15	Florida	Grigori Denisenko	L	Yaroslavl (Russia-Jr)	32	0	7	7	10	2023-24

2017

1	10	Florida	Owen Tippett	R	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	270	73	69	142	46	2023-24
1	11	Los Angeles	Gabriel Vilardi	C	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	199	63	51	114	50	2023-24
1	12	Carolina	Martin Necas	C	Brno Kometa [Czech]	362	97	146	243	138	2023-24
1	13	Vegas	Nick Suzuki	C	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]	373	108	178	286	131	2023-24
1	14	Tampa Bay	Cal Foote	D	Kelowna Rockets [WHL]	145	5	15	20	137	2023-24
1	15	Vegas	Erik Brannstrom	D	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	266	7	62	69	145	2023-24

2016

1	10	Colorado	Tyson Jost	C	Penticton Vees [BCHL]	456	57	83	140	164	2023-24
1	11	Ottawa	Logan Brown	C	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	99	7	19	26	22	2022-23
1	12	New Jersey	Michael McLeod	C	Mississauga Steelheads [OHL]	287	29	56	85	164	2023-24
1	13	Carolina	Jake Bean	D	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	197	13	43	56	76	2023-24
1	14	Boston	Charlie McAvoy	D	Boston University [H-East]	454	53	224	277	383	2023-24
1	15	Minnesota	Luke Kunin	C	U. of Wisconsin [Big-10]	359	62	62	124	332	2023-24

2015

1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	570	262	355	617	348	2023-24
1	11	Florida	Lawson Crouse	L	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	504	103	94	197	324	2023-24
1	12	Dallas	Denis Gurianov	R	Tolyatti (Russia Jrs.)	298	52	61	113	60	2023-24
1	13	Boston	Jakub Zboril	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]	76	1	15	16	28	2022-23
1	14	Boston	Jake DeBrusk	L	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	465	138	128	266	101	2023-24
1	15	Boston	Zachary Senyshyn	R	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	16	1	2	3	4	2021-22

2014

1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	481	84	102	186	483	2022-23
1	11	Nashville	Kevin Fiala	L	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	570	176	252	428	331	2023-24
1	12	Arizona	Brendan Perlini	L	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	262	50	31	81	92	2021-22
1	13	Washington	Jakub Vrana	L	Linkopings HC [SweHL]	367	110	99	209	103	2023-24
1	14	Dallas	Julius Honka	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	87	2	11	13	28	2018-19
1	15	Detroit	Dylan Larkin	C	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	652	212	294	506	411	2023-24

2013

1	10	Dallas	Valeri Nichushkin	R	Chelyabinsk Traktor [KHL]	512	116	158	274	78	2023-24
1	11	Philadelphia	Samuel Morin	L	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]	29	1	0	1	45	2020-21
1	12	Phoenix	Max Domi	C	London Knights [OHL]	661	130	287	417	630	2023-24
1	13	Winnipeg	Josh Morrissey	D	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	582	66	245	311	299	2023-24
1	14	Columbus	Alexander Wennberg	C	Djurgardens IF Stockholm [Swe-1]	712	91	244	335	155	2023-24
1	15	NY Islanders	Ryan Pulock	D	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	486	48	143	191	91	2023-24

2012

1	10	Tampa Bay	Slater Koekkoek	D	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	186	8	26	34	104	2021-22
1	11	Washington	Filip Forsberg	L	Leksands IF [Swe-1]	698	287	318	605	301	2023-24
1	12	Buffalo	Mikhail Grigorenko	C	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]	249	26	50	76	36	2020-21
1	13	Dallas	Radek Faksa	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	638	89	111	200	356	2023-24
1	14	Buffalo	Zemgus Girgensons	L	Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]	688	89	99	188	192	2023-24
1	15	Ottawa	Cody Ceci	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	786	48	163	211	170	2023-24

2011

1	10	Minnesota	Jonas Brodin	D	Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL]	803	54	186	240	244	2023-24
1	11	Colorado	Duncan Siemens	D	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]	20	1	1	2	25	2017-18
1	12	Carolina	Ryan Murphy	D	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	175	8	35	43	54	2018-19
1	13	Calgary	Sven Baertschi	L	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	292	66	72	138	78	2021-22
1	14	Dallas	Jamie Oleksiak	D	Northeastern University [H-East]	598	36	93	129	453	2023-24
1	15	NY Rangers	J.T. Miller	C	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	799	238	401	639	441	2023-24

2010

1	10	NY Rangers	Dylan McIlrath	D	Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]	75	3	4	7	133	2023-24
1	11	Dallas	Jack Campbell	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	176	0	3	3	2	2023-24
1	12	Anaheim	Cam Fowler	D	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	974	96	357	453	255	2023-24
1	13	Phoenix	Brandon Gormley	D	Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL]	58	2	3	5	20	2015-16
1	14	St. Louis	Jaden Schwartz	C	Tri-City Storm [USHL]	730	196	282	478	213	2023-24
1	15	Los Angeles	Derek Forbort	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	496	17	78	95	299	2023-24

 

[trostol]

Here. Listen to this. Keith Jones getting interviewed the day after the Gauthier trade, which occurred on January 9, 2023.

The host flat out asks Jones when the first sign of this started with Gauthier, and Jones replies:

"Well, believe it or not, guys, I heard it about a year and a bit ago when I was doing TV. I heard about it up in the booth up in press row. And especially on the TV side a lot of information flows your way. So I had a heads up that there was a problem. That there was a high likelihood the player wasn't going to join the Flyers. So I wasn't overly shocked to find out shortly after I had taken the job that we had an issue."

And Briere has said the same thing about being aware of a problem in Gauthier wanting to sign just a few months after the draft.

Keith Jones On The Cutter Gauthier Trade - Kincade & Salciunas

Keith Jones joins the show to discuss the Cutter Gauthier trade, and how it all went down.

omny.fm

sorry..i can't take Jones word for it...give us something outside the core of the management side that says he wanted out sooner..because it is established already Jones doesn't quite tell the truth

 

[bennysflyers16]

Young skilled forward chose not to play for Torts who by all accounts will be with the Flyers forever, I"m shocked !!! Torts fits the timeline of things going south.

 

[bennysflyers16]

IF this was a rebuild, the following would of 100% happnend,
No Buyout of Atkinson
Trade Laughton
Trade Seeler
Trade TK
Not extend Hathaway
Trade Risto
Not sign EJ

This was NEVER a rebuild, this team is much worse off than they have been in a long time. MM is the only shred of hope with this organization. We need to enjoy him while we have him as he will bolt the first chance he gets.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Here. Listen to this. Keith Jones getting interviewed the day after the Gauthier trade, which occurred on January 9, 2023.

The host flat out asks Jones when the first sign of this started with Gauthier, and Jones replies:

"Well, believe it or not, guys, I heard it about a year and a bit ago when I was doing TV. I heard about it up in the booth up in press row. And especially on the TV side a lot of information flows your way. So I had a heads up that there was a problem. That there was a high likelihood the player wasn't going to join the Flyers. So I wasn't overly shocked to find out shortly after I had taken the job that we had an issue."

And Briere has said the same thing about being aware of a problem in Gauthier wanting to sign just a few months after the draft.

Keith Jones On The Cutter Gauthier Trade - Kincade & Salciunas

Keith Jones joins the show to discuss the Cutter Gauthier trade, and how it all went down.

omny.fm

Edit: And I'm sure there will be crickets now, or the classic, "Well Jones was lying" defense.

Have you considered that he is lying, though? They lied about Hayes being involved. They contradicted themselves on the Cutter narrative.They made an elaborate PR campaign to sell a rebuild that they knew wasn't happening.

You think this is the time he's honest? Why?

Why don't you explain to us how this is the time the known underhanded liar who has spent years selectively feeding his media pets can be trusted this time, when all other information we have indicated otherwise?

Jones has done nothing to earn trust and much to prove he should not be trusted. Why is he to be believed now? Simply because he is in a position of authority?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

sorry..i can't take Jones word for it...give us something outside the core of the management side that says hew wanted out sooner..because it is established already Jones doesn't quite tell the truth

Well, let's see, Trostol. We had posters implying I lied.

Then I link an interview with Jones a day after the trade, where he says this started over a year from the trade in January 2023, & your response is that Jones is lying.

Briere said the same thing in interviews that the problem started just a few months after the draft.

How about you are wrong?

 

[FlyerNutter]

The Sanheim, and Couturier extensions. Were the first signs of doom. Players that had no business being given large deals when a realistic contention window was outside of their age range. Those are the “bigger decisions” that one needs to look at, bc even if they are Neanderthal stupid in hanging on to Laughton, that’s not necessarily a lethal mistake.

The same is about to be done with Konecny in terms of sheer stupidity.

New era my ass. If Comcast wasn’t feeling the heat themselves, Fletcher would still be here. The idea of changes are bullshit when you even kept Flahr around. That was a gimme decision.

Comcast is nothing but optics, and no substance. Nobody can deny that. Blank cheques mean nothing when you are investing all your money into Blockbuster.

 

[trostol]

Well, let's see, Trostol. We had posters implying I lied.

Then I link an interview with Jones a day after the trade, where he says this started over a year from the trade in January 2023, & your response is that Jones is lying.

Briere said the same thing in interviews that the problem started just a few months after the draft.

How about you are wrong?

you are so adamant that management is right that you are blinded. We know that Jones has stretched the truth already to shine the team in a better light..we have proof of that..so why is it you so heartedly believe he is telling the truth here? are you that stubborn..that devoted to this management of the team for the past several decades that you cant even slightly sit back and think...hey maybe they are lying

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I was curious to see what the 10-15 drafting range looked like from 2010-2020 because that's the range the Flyers are likely to be drafting.

I see some busts, some bottom of the lineup players, some really decent top 6 / top 4 guys, and very few clear cut 1st line / 1st pairing guys.

Why go all-in on expecting to buck the trend and that you will be the one to find the true gem in a pile of flea market jewelry?

2020

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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]Cole Perfetti[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Saginaw Spirit [OHL][/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Nashville[/TD]
[TD]Yaroslav Askarov[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]St. Petersburg Jr. (Russia)[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]Anton Lundell[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga][/TD]
[TD]216[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]112[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]Seth Jarvis[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Portland Winterhawks [WHL][/TD]
[TD]231[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]Dylan Holloway[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]U. of Wisconsin [Big-10][/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Toronto[/TD]
[TD]Rodion Amirov[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL][/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2019

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Vancouver[/TD]
[TD]Vasili Podkolzin[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]St. Petersburg [Russia Jr.][/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]Victor Soderstrom[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Brynas IF Gavle [SweHL][/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]Matthew Boldy[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]203[/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD]171[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]Spencer Knight[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[TD]Cam York[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]169[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Montreal[/TD]
[TD]Cole Caufield[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]205[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2018

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]Evan Bouchard[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]London Knights [OHL][/TD]
[TD]265[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]171[/TD]
[TD]92[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]NY Islanders[/TD]
[TD]Oliver Wahlstrom[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]193[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]NY Islanders[/TD]
[TD]Noah Dobson[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL][/TD]
[TD]317[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]191[/TD]
[TD]90[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Ty Dellandrea[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Flint Firebirds [OHL][/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[TD]Joel Farabee[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]334[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]182[/TD]
[TD]195[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]Grigori Denisenko[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Yaroslavl (Russia-Jr)[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2017

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]Owen Tippett[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]Mississauga Steelheads [OHL][/TD]
[TD]270[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Los Angeles[/TD]
[TD]Gabriel Vilardi[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Windsor Spitfires [OHL][/TD]
[TD]199[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]114[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]Martin Necas[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Brno Kometa [Czech][/TD]
[TD]362[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]243[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Vegas[/TD]
[TD]Nick Suzuki[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Owen Sound Attack [OHL][/TD]
[TD]373[/TD]
[TD]108[/TD]
[TD]178[/TD]
[TD]286[/TD]
[TD]131[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[TD]Cal Foote[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Kelowna Rockets [WHL][/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Vegas[/TD]
[TD]Erik Brannstrom[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL][/TD]
[TD]266[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2016

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Colorado[/TD]
[TD]Tyson Jost[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Penticton Vees [BCHL][/TD]
[TD]456[/TD]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]83[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa[/TD]
[TD]Logan Brown[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Windsor Spitfires [OHL][/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]New Jersey[/TD]
[TD]Michael McLeod[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Mississauga Steelheads [OHL][/TD]
[TD]287[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]85[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]Jake Bean[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Calgary Hitmen [WHL][/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]Charlie McAvoy[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Boston University [H-East][/TD]
[TD]454[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]224[/TD]
[TD]277[/TD]
[TD]383[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]Luke Kunin[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]U. of Wisconsin [Big-10][/TD]
[TD]359[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD]124[/TD]
[TD]332[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2015

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Colorado[/TD]
[TD]Mikko Rantanen[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]TPS Turku [SM-liiga][/TD]
[TD]570[/TD]
[TD]262[/TD]
[TD]355[/TD]
[TD]617[/TD]
[TD]348[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]Lawson Crouse[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Kingston Frontenacs [OHL][/TD]
[TD]504[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
[TD]94[/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]324[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Denis Gurianov[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]Tolyatti (Russia Jrs.)[/TD]
[TD]298[/TD]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]Jakub Zboril[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL][/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]Jake DeBrusk[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Swift Current Broncos [WHL][/TD]
[TD]465[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[TD]266[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]Zachary Senyshyn[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]Soo Greyhounds [OHL][/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2014

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]Nick Ritchie[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Peterborough Petes [OHL][/TD]
[TD]481[/TD]
[TD]84[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
[TD]186[/TD]
[TD]483[/TD]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Nashville[/TD]
[TD]Kevin Fiala[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL][/TD]
[TD]570[/TD]
[TD]176[/TD]
[TD]252[/TD]
[TD]428[/TD]
[TD]331[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]Brendan Perlini[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Niagara IceDogs [OHL][/TD]
[TD]262[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]92[/TD]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Washington[/TD]
[TD]Jakub Vrana[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Linkopings HC [SweHL][/TD]
[TD]367[/TD]
[TD]110[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
[TD]209[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Julius Honka[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Swift Current Broncos [WHL][/TD]
[TD]87[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Detroit[/TD]
[TD]Dylan Larkin[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]652[/TD]
[TD]212[/TD]
[TD]294[/TD]
[TD]506[/TD]
[TD]411[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2013

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Valeri Nichushkin[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[TD]Chelyabinsk Traktor [KHL][/TD]
[TD]512[/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]158[/TD]
[TD]274[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[TD]Samuel Morin[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL][/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Phoenix[/TD]
[TD]Max Domi[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]London Knights [OHL][/TD]
[TD]661[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]287[/TD]
[TD]417[/TD]
[TD]630[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]Josh Morrissey[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Prince Albert Raiders [WHL][/TD]
[TD]582[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]245[/TD]
[TD]311[/TD]
[TD]299[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Columbus[/TD]
[TD]Alexander Wennberg[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Djurgardens IF Stockholm [Swe-1][/TD]
[TD]712[/TD]
[TD]91[/TD]
[TD]244[/TD]
[TD]335[/TD]
[TD]155[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]NY Islanders[/TD]
[TD]Ryan Pulock[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL][/TD]
[TD]486[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]191[/TD]
[TD]91[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


2012

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[TD]Slater Koekkoek[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Peterborough Petes [OHL][/TD]
[TD]186[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]104[/TD]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Washington[/TD]
[TD]Filip Forsberg[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Leksands IF [Swe-1][/TD]
[TD]698[/TD]
[TD]287[/TD]
[TD]318[/TD]
[TD]605[/TD]
[TD]301[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Buffalo[/TD]
[TD]Mikhail Grigorenko[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Quebec Remparts [QMJHL][/TD]
[TD]249[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Radek Faksa[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Kitchener Rangers [OHL][/TD]
[TD]638[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]111[/TD]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]356[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Buffalo[/TD]
[TD]Zemgus Girgensons[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL][/TD]
[TD]688[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
[TD]188[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa[/TD]
[TD]Cody Ceci[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Ottawa 67's [OHL][/TD]
[TD]786[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]163[/TD]
[TD]211[/TD]
[TD]170[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


2011

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]Jonas Brodin[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL][/TD]
[TD]803[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]186[/TD]
[TD]240[/TD]
[TD]244[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Colorado[/TD]
[TD]Duncan Siemens[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Saskatoon Blades [WHL][/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]2017-18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]Ryan Murphy[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Kitchener Rangers [OHL][/TD]
[TD]175[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Calgary[/TD]
[TD]Sven Baertschi[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Portland Winterhawks [WHL][/TD]
[TD]292[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Jamie Oleksiak[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Northeastern University [H-East][/TD]
[TD]598[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]93[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[TD]453[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]NY Rangers[/TD]
[TD]J.T. Miller[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]799[/TD]
[TD]238[/TD]
[TD]401[/TD]
[TD]639[/TD]
[TD]441[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2010

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]NY Rangers[/TD]
[TD]Dylan McIlrath[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL][/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]133[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]Jack Campbell[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]176[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]Cam Fowler[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Windsor Spitfires [OHL][/TD]
[TD]974[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD]357[/TD]
[TD]453[/TD]
[TD]255[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Phoenix[/TD]
[TD]Brandon Gormley[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL][/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]2015-16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]St. Louis[/TD]
[TD]Jaden Schwartz[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Tri-City Storm [USHL][/TD]
[TD]730[/TD]
[TD]196[/TD]
[TD]282[/TD]
[TD]478[/TD]
[TD]213[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Los Angeles[/TD]
[TD]Derek Forbort[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]U.S. National Development Team [USHL][/TD]
[TD]496[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]95[/TD]
[TD]299[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[/TR]
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I have my personal issues with this style of examination, but I will once again use it to point out that one of the few big hits in here was the only other example of a Buium-like draft day fall for a Defenseman. There aren’t even any misses (yet). It’s just Dobson and Buium.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I have my personal issues with this style of examination, but I will once again use it to point out that one of the few big hits in here was the only other example of a Buium-like draft day fall for a Defenseman. There are no more.

Always knew you were a Morin lover

 

[Beef Invictus]

you are so adamant that management is right that you are blinded. We know that Jones has stretched the truth already to shine the team in a better light..we have proof of that..so why is it you so heartedly believe he is telling the truth here? are you that stubborn..that devoted to this management of the team for the past several decades that you cant even slightly sit back and think...hey maybe they are lying

He's insisted that management is correct and knows best for at least 6 years now. He defended Fletcher up to the end and beyond, and that same management group minus CF remains in place.

The current state of the team proves that is wrong. We have seen that they constantly lie, as well. And yet, the unquestioning trust continues. I think baseless zealous faith is very negative, personally. Not at all like my own endless open-eyed positivity.

 

[Tripod]

Torts was losing the room the last couple months of the season?

Their team metrics were mostly terrific, but got sunk by horrible league-worst goaltending on that late-season skid.

Couturier got pissed about being scratched? Sure. But he was struggling mightily, and now we know why -- he had a sports hernia.

Last 33 games he played: 1 goal, 7 assists. 8 points. -22.

That's shockingly bad, & I'm a Couturier fan.

They lied about Couts being healthy?

Weird. I thought they always told the truth.