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Seravalli: "There are growing concerns that some Canadian Teams are handcuffed at the TDL because of No Trade Clauses" Vetoing trades to Canada

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Duke749 said:
I’m from Georgia. If I had the money I would 100000% love to visit the Seattle/Vancouver area. Hockey games included. Especially VAN as as I’d love to see a Canadian city/team
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I love Seattle too. I basically just consider it a part of Van. So easy to drive down, go for a baseball and/or football game. Concert. Drive over the border to catch much cheaper flights to Mexico or other places in the US

Fatass said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t a Canadian team (Vancouver) made half of all the nhl level trades in the whole league this year? Seems like players will go to cities regardless of which side of the border.
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Vancouver is one of the most desirable cities to live in. So close to the US border too. I don't think they will ever have much problem attracting US players.

In reality, I think there are still lots of CDN players who would prefer to stay in the US. Tons of pressure in Canada. It's all hockey.
 
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lakeshirts37 said:
not really…see McDavid, Connor
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Yeah, he helps, and it still doesn't help fully. The only advantage EDM can offer when/if he leaves is somehow remaining a top 10 team and just drafting/attaining mainly CDN/Non US talent IMO. That is what they have now. Derek Ryan is the only US player on the main roster. Ekholm is Swedish. Drai is German. Campbell is in the AHL. Other than that, top notch facilities, a nice place to raise a family, but that can be done in a lot of areas.
 
mkatcherin00 said:
I love Seattle too. I basically just consider it a part of Van. So easy to drive down, go for a baseball and/or football game. Concert. Drive over the border to catch much cheaper flights to Mexico or other places in the US


Vancouver is one of the most desirable cities to live in. So close to the US border too. I don't think they will ever have much problem attracting US players.

In reality, I think there are still lots of CDN players who would prefer to stay in the US. Tons of pressure in Canada. It's all hockey.
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Very good point. It’s almost like the Canadian players, growing up in the pressure cooker of up here, are more likely to prefer the anonymity of US markets more than those from outside of Canada.
 
I’m Canadian and I wouldn’t want to play in Canada.

You pay higher taxes, might higher cost of living, I’m grateful, but no way I want to play in Canada.
 
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lawrence said:
I’m Canadian and I wouldn’t want to play in Canada.

You pay higher taxes, might higher cost of living, I’m grateful, but no way I want to play in Canada.
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Canada is very attractive to every day folks, but honestly athletes don’t value the things we would. If I had millions, I’d want Boston, NYC, LA, Chicago, Vegas or Dallas as well. Canada is more about comfort, and honestly even that is going away. Paying this much taxes on their salary is a very tough pill to swallow, and I know there’s ways around that but why not just go somewhere with less taxes?
 
As someone that has lived and worked in Canada, USA, China, Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, and the Netherlands, the mindset of American cities as superior is quite shocking and really speaks to how basic some hockey players are. And I've lived in some shitty places in Canada.
 
lawrence said:
I’m Canadian and I wouldn’t want to play in Canada.

You pay higher taxes, might higher cost of living, I’m grateful, but no way I want to play in Canada.
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I don't think taxes are the main problem, personally.

I think too many Canadian teams have circus show media followings and possibly a higher percentage of over-the-top fans that make it a little more difficult for day-to-day living and job-related obligations. Sometimes the fans/teams almost seem proud of that, to the point where they say it like it's a badge of honor that you need to be built a little different to handle a place like Toronto or Montreal, but that obviously means that people who aren't built different or don't want the hassle can find a deal with a team that rides shotgun to the local NFL/NBA/MLB teams and aren't the the sole or primary local focus for huge portions of the daily sports reporting.

You can go to Montreal or Toronto, or you can go to, like... Carolina. If you want to be a superstar maybe you take the big team, but if you just want to play for a good team and then go home and be comfortably but probably not often recognized... why would you not take Carolina?

I think Canadian franchises are handcuffed by a more demanding news cycle, I also think they avoid non-competitive moves as a result of that same news cycle. All of that yearly pressure means that Canadian teams often accelerate their rebuilds and jump the gun trying to show that they're "going for it" and aren't wallowing at the bottom, but it puts them back into purgatory as unable to get over that hurdle as they were before.

then the contracts stop lining up or players see the writing on the walls and they become a bit of a talent farm, encouraged to rebuild, which they will inevitably rush and botch, and they just become a talent farm talking about how they can't sign any of their guys because reasons.
 
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Leafs87 said:
Canada is very attractive to every day folks, but honestly athletes don’t value the things we would. If I had millions, I’d want Boston, NYC, LA, Chicago, Vegas or Dallas as well. Canada is more about comfort, and honestly even that is going away. Paying this much taxes on their salary is a very tough pill to swallow, and I know there’s ways around that but why not just go somewhere with less taxes?
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I bet Canada's super comfy for a person nobody gives a shit about, and one of the more uncomfortable places to live if you're a hockey player who lives in cities who care more about hockey than the majority of the cities you visit.

The taxes thing has been proven in other threads I can no longer source to be something that an athlete with any competent representation can work around (just because you play for Toronto doesn't mean you have to file it as your permanent residence, for example, which makes contract bonuses really valuable to.... let's say a made up American-born hockey superstar with a bonus laden contract)
 
Three On Zero said:
Montreal is a complete different issue. It’s a beautiful place but unless you’re a French Canadian you’ll never really “like it”
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Huh? I relly don't think athletes in Montreal will ever need to hear or speak a word of french

Downtown is all english, I've worked for 2 of the top 5 IT companies as well as the #1 healthcare company in Montreal and the office language is english with people that have 0 french skill and they thrive in all positions.
 
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Generally Stanley Cup winning teams tend to have a lot of Canadians so that won't hinder those up north.

Also winning also makes a place attractive so if Winnipeg or Edmonton win it this year they become a much more attractive destination all of a sudden IMO.
 
The sky is blue. A few players waive to play with McDavid but otherwise it’s always been Toronto and Vancouver as the only cities players might not have as a NTC.
 
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As for taxes the alberta teams aren't too bad if someone brings up a tax chart lol I think they are in the middle ish for taxes when you include the states federal tax
 
Some players have teams in California on their NTC but not Canadian teams like Dadonov who had Anaheim on his NTC but Montréal wasn't on it.
 
Gabe Kupari said:
Honestly if a player doesn’t want to play in Winnipeg or Alberta or Ottawa or Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver. Then honestly as a fan of the jets, and I think it’s safe to say fans of other cdn teams would agree. f*** that player. Cuz we got plenty of good players who do want to play here. PL Dubois didn’t wanna be here. We move him. Now look at us. 1 bad apple can ruin the bunch. Rather just have guys who love hockey more than they love warm weather. El Niño tho is a thing and right now Winnipeg is warmer than some US cities and breaking records in January and February.
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You say that like it's a good thing.
 
GOilers88 said:
I think it's always an issue for Canadian teams. Plus most have been pretty poorly managed for long stretches in recent history.
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which made contending and canadien pretty exclusive.

this could be a chicken or egg question. most players don't mind playing for a contender.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
It's not as big an issue as It's made out to be.

When has Toronto. Montreal or Vancouver ever had a problem attracting or keeping players? They don't it doesn't happen.

Winnipeg would you think would have an issue with it because as much as I love that city It's more of a raise a family type place, not exactly the best spot if you are a single multi millionaire though.

Yet They still kept their #1 goalie, #1 center AND just got Monahan.

Edmonton used to have those issues but those issues stopped years.

Calgary literally just had a player who had it in his contract that he could not be traded to Calgary waive that same clause to go to Calgary.

Speaking of Calgary Nazem Kadri blocked a trade to Calgary, TJ Brodie added Toronto to his NTC when that trade got blocked.

Where are they now? Calgary and Toronto.

Ottawa is having those issues, do you why? Because Ottawa sucks and has sucked for years and there are NO signs they are coming out of it and even they got Claude Giroux.

It's not a Canada issue, It's an Ottawa and possibly Calgary issue,.

If you don't suck to the point where you have no hope you don't have issues keeping or attracting players.

Ottawa is the only real one with this issue.
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Sure, it is in the title "some Canadian teams...." and Seravalli only spoke to 1 or 2 GM ( I really don't understand the uncertainty on Seravalli's part here how can he not know if it is one or 2? "he has spoken to 1-2 Canadian Team GMs"

It somehow morphed in to Canadian teams.
 
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UrbanImpact said:
Just saw his hit on NHL network during the All-Star festivities

He mentioned he has spoken to 1-2 Canadian Team GMs who have expressed that they might be handcuffed because alot of the players they are targeting have some Canadian teams on their "No Trade Clauses"

Also reflected on how the two big trades so far Lindholm, Monahan are from Canadian to Canadian teams because those players dont mind playing in Canada and perhaps why Canucks and Jets targeted them.

Mentioned how Kuzmenko had Calgary and other Canadian Teams on his no trade clause but luckily waived it to eventually allow the trade to Calgary.

Thoughts?

Is this going to be a problem for Canadian contending teams at this years trade deadline?
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Canadian teams are at disadvantage when it comes to winning a cup
 
I know Calgary has a big issue re-signing American players. Generally, unless it's an RFA, we don't get to re-sign American's (they'll sign one contract, and leave after). Since 2003/2004 season, only 1 American has re-signed in Calgary as a UFA and not an RFA. Craig Conroy. And that was for 2 different 35+ contracts. That's the only non-RFA American player to re-sign in Calgary in the last 20 years (we've had a few RFA extensions/contracts, but short of being a guy like Tkachuk who has the star-power to force his way out, generally RFA's don't have that much negotiation power if they want to play in the NHL).

And for everyone using Taxes as a reason why they don't come to Canada, I know Brian Burke has stated in multiple interviews over the years saying that "the difference in taxes basically doesn't exist with the size of these contracts if you have a good accountant, so that isn't a factor in negotiations"
 
the sense of entitlement we see from Canadian teams over this sometimes is kinda funny

we don't ever see Columbus for example whining about players not wanting to go there
 
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