The Vancouver Media Thread | Part VIII

[Raistlin]

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Amazing that Gazdink blew a golden opportunity covering his former team in the most important series, all because some online trolls triggered him. He might have blown his career over this lmao

 

[PuckMunchkin]

But Hronek did lie. Probably bc the team wanted him to. Which is why his answer was so awkward. He's not very good liar.

You dont think it was because RIGHT BEFORE the question Ian Cole had refused to use his injury as an excuse in any way?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Amazing that Gazdink blew a golden opportunity covering his former team in the most important series, all because some online trolls triggered him. He might have blown his career over this lmao

I mean, the team there is their A team. It's not like he was gonna be there either way. He didn't think that one through.

 

[Bleach Clean]

What a brilliant point made by Drance/Filipovic about Vegas:

They seem to be gathering/promoting low cost shooters because they've got their possession game sorted: Dorofeyev, Brisson, Mantha (before), Olofsson, and Holtz. Perhaps will go after Sprong as well.

This is a team that is well versed in shot metrics that is doing this (per insight from Drance and the VGK reporter (forgot his name)).

At a certain point, angling for conversion must be done. VGK gets this despite side-stepping Marchessault's contract.

 

[TruGr1t]

What a brilliant point made by Drance/Filipovic about Vegas:

They seem to be gathering/promoting low cost shooters because they've got their possession game sorted: Dorofeyev, Brisson, Mantha (before), Olofsson, and Holtz. Perhaps will go after Sprong as well.

This is a team that is well versed in shot metrics that is doing this (per insight from Drance and the VGK reporter (forgot his name)).

At a certain point, angling for conversion must be done. VGK gets this despite side-stepping Marchessault's contract.

Was gonna say, if this is the case they should immediately sign Daniel Sprong.

 

[MS]

What a brilliant point made by Drance/Filipovic about Vegas:

They seem to be gathering/promoting low cost shooters because they've got their possession game sorted: Dorofeyev, Brisson, Mantha (before), Olofsson, and Holtz. Perhaps will go after Sprong as well.

This is a team that is well versed in shot metrics that is doing this (per insight from Drance and the VGK reporter (forgot his name)).

At a certain point, angling for conversion must be done. VGK gets this despite side-stepping Marchessault's contract.

Seems to me more like they're a team that's hard up against the cap and just lost 2 of their top-6 forwards to UFA, and are having to resort to flawed skill players to try and keep some goals in the lineup.

Mantha was a total flop there.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Seems to me more like they're a team that's hard up against the cap and just lost 2 of their top-6 forwards to UFA, and are having to resort to flawed skill players to try and keep some goals in the lineup.

Mantha was a total flop there.

It's that they've recognized goals offer the line-up more value than possession/2way play that's key. You need both and they're scraping the barrel to get both.

Mantha has been a flop in general. Strange career.

 

[F A N]

Seems to me more like they're a team that's hard up against the cap and just lost 2 of their top-6 forwards to UFA, and are having to resort to flawed skill players to try and keep some goals in the lineup.

Mantha was a total flop there.

I think there's some truth in that. Vegas does like big name hunting though (even if they are flawed skill players currently).

 

[MS]

It's that they've recognized goals offer the line-up more value than possession/2way play that's key. You need both and they're scraping the barrel to get both.

Mantha has been a flop in general. Strange career.

They were a middle-of-the-pack offensive team last year and lost 58 goals in Marchessault and Stephenson.

They need someone to pop 30 goals and play on PP1 and they have no money to spend so they're taking a shot at a guy like Olofsson and hoping it works.

 

[Bleach Clean]

They were a middle-of-the-pack offensive team last year and lost 58 goals in Marchessault and Stephenson.

They need someone to pop 30 goals and play on PP1 and they have no money to spend so they're taking a shot at a guy like Olofsson and hoping it works.

Are we not saying the same thing?

They need goals over and above 2way play. There is a threshold by which one facet becomes more important than the other. They've reached it.

They have no money so they are after budget scoring options, but even if they had money, they'd be after better scoring options, not 2way options.

 

[MS]

Are we not saying the same thing?

They need goals over and above 2way play. There is a threshold by which one facet becomes more important than the other. They've reached it.

They have no money so they are after budget scoring options, but even if they had money, they'd be after better scoring options, not 2way options.

Your initial post implied that this was some sort of ahead-of-the-curve analytics thing but I think it’s pretty straightforward old-school GMing. They lost goals, they need goals. They have no money, so they gotta find goals for cheap.

Like, if Jim Benning was hired as Vegas’ GM last month, coming to the conclusion that ‘Olofsson scored 28 goals two years ago, he can give us goals’ is totally a Benning sort of move.

It isn’t some brilliant moneyball thing because their system is so solid. They’re cap-broke, they need goals, so they’ll be giving some young/flawed players chances to score goals and play on PP1 until they find a way to re-load again at the deadline.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Your initial post implied that this was some sort of ahead-of-the-curve analytics thing but I think it’s pretty straightforward old-school GMing. They lost goals, they need goals. They have no money, so they gotta find goals for cheap.

Like, if Jim Benning was hired as Vegas’ GM last month, coming to the conclusion that ‘Olofsson scored 28 goals two years ago, he can give us goals’ is totally a Benning sort of move.

It isn’t some brilliant moneyball thing because their system is so solid. They’re cap-broke, they need goals, so they’ll be giving some young/flawed players chances to score goals and play on PP1 until they find a way to re-load again at the deadline.

Ah, I understand the confusion. I meant to imply the opposite, that there is a point at which you throw analytics away and hunt for goals despite a possession shortfall from the player.

They could just as easily have kept to pattern with further metrics based additions, even at a low cost, but they chose to address a weakness in an old school fashion. This shows an intelligence to think beyond the metrics.

 

[lawrence]

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

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is that danton heinen looking like elizabeth moss

 

[Vector]

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not Canuck media per se, but a bizarre report floating on Twitter -

 

[Nucker101]

Not Canuck media per se, but a bizarre report floating on Twitter -

I'd assume his contract expired and Rogers is too cheap to bring him back. Doesn't seem like the type of guy who would get in big enough trouble to get fired.

 

[Vector]

Not Canuck media per se, but a bizarre report floating on Twitter -

What does "unconfirmed draft reasons" even mean?

Marek hasn't tweeted since the draft. Friedman ran the Final 32 Thoughts, released on the 29th, solo.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

What does "unconfirmed draft reasons" even mean?

Marek hasn't tweeted since the draft. Friedman ran the Final 32 Thoughts, released on the 29th, solo.

That's the head scratcher for me, too. I have no clue.

 

[Vector]

That's the head scratcher for me, too. I have no clue.

Reading more, didn't host his own podcast. Which I remember watching parts of and found it strange he wasn't there. Friedman also said in the solo 32 Thoughts that Marek took a red-eye home.

 

[StreetHawk]

That's the head scratcher for me, too. I have no clue.

Didn't watch the draft, so whether he said something inappropriate, who knows? Did he like his role changing from the host to the Interviewer of the draftees?

He's 55. So, not sure what the market would be for his services? Is he that big a name the moves the needle?

Or does he venture out on his own doing his own Podcast or something?

 

[TruGr1t]

I'd assume his contract expired and Rogers is too cheap to bring him back. Doesn't seem like the type of guy who would get in big enough trouble to get fired.

This makes the most sense. In the current media climate, I’d imagine a negotiation breakdown over terms or something. Seems unlikely he said something scandalous that flew under the radar, but I didn’t watch too much of his draft coverage.

Too bad, as he’s a massive Sprong fan.

 

[LOFIN]

This makes the most sense. In the current media climate, I’d imagine a negotiation breakdown over terms or something. Seems unlikely he said something scandalous that flew under the radar, but I didn’t watch too much of his draft coverage.

Too bad, as he’s a massive Sprong fan.

Let's be real. If it was just his contract expiring on July 1st, they would've figured out something so that he can do his last shows on radio, be part of the free agency, do the closing out 32 Thoughts etc. And then he probably would've already announced on social media that he's moving on to another opportunities. Instead there's nothing.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

"Unconfirmed draft reasons" to me means some sort of incident may have taken place at the draft which ended his relationship with SportsNet.