The value of the multi-year tank is on display this SCF

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lundell is one of their most important 5-7 players, and was drafted by the team.

No, he's really not. He's in the 9-11 range.

Barkov
Bennett
Tkachuk
Verhaege
Reinhart
Forsling
Montour
Bobrovsky

Are all very clearly ahead of him.

 

[Minnesota Knudsens]

Let’s put it this way: tanking works better than not tanking. Picking in the 15 to 25 OVR range every year is the recipe for endless mediocrity. Do you need a lot of luck to get to the cup? Of course. But it’s a way easier path if your starting point is Crosby/Malkin or McDrai.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

What a stupid thread with a variety of poor examples from to OT as to what constitutes a tank, Tampa and Florida chief among them.

Even the Chicago Blackhawks were giving big money deals to the likes of Khabibulin and Aucoin in the midst of drafting Toews-Kane. Also dealt futures for Martin Havlat in that same timeframe.

 

[heynowbababooey]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

Is your name an NHL09 reference?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Is your name an NHL09 reference?

 

[Czechboy]

It's not just about repeated tanking (which Edmonton in particular has done) it's tanking in the right season for either a generational star or in Edmonton's case, the ability to draft one of the best players of all time.

Hard not to respect teams like Dallas that more or less build through good drafting and management. Obviously there are other teams who have done the same (Boston).

I think in Florida's case it was more the great trades in recent years that put them over the edge, not their picks from tanking years.

I agree with most this and they are both built and managed verybwell... But will point out Florida and Dallas are much bigger draws due to the weather and tax thing. They have an advantage in signing players.

 

[ClydeLee]

...this is a take....


Tank.. and maybe in 10 years you'll get to the SCF, maybe

Literally is, most teams who tank don't see success for 7 seasons. Like real success, winning a playoff round more than one time.

People were more prone to seeing the early post lockout Penguins/Hawks success as a model to follow. But those teams had assests building while they weren't tanking, they were just in cheap struggling ownership hell. A difference is they had lots of talent rising before they were bottom dwelling. They didn't trade off pieces to be bad, they were more bad while gaining talent/assests for the future.

 

[K1984]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

It only works if the players you draft high are actually elite.

The Hall - RNH - Yakupov run was frankly shitty for the Oilers. One of them is a high end top line winger, but in a complimentary sense, one is a good top line winger, but not elite and almost never healthy, the other isn't an NHL player.

It only worked for the Oilers when they landed on players the quality of McDavid and Draisaitl. We could easily be sitting here singing a different tune if they drafted Bennett instead of Leon in 2014 and didn't win the lottery and drafted someone like Strome or Hanifin in 2015.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Everybody knows tanking works , whats new

...this is a take....


Tank.. and maybe in 10 years you'll get to the SCF, maybe

Look at everybody who won the cup recently aside from Boston and the Blues lol. This is exactly what they did.

It only works if the players you draft high are actually elite.

The Hall - RNH - Yakupov run was frankly shitty for the Oilers. One of them is a high end top line winger, but in a complimentary sense, one is a good top line winger, but not elite and almost never healthy, the other isn't an NHL player.

It only worked for the Oilers when they landed on players the quality of McDavid and Draisaitl. We could easily be sitting here singing a different tune if they drafted Bennett instead of Leon in 2014 and didn't sin the lottery and drafted someone like Strobe or Hanifin in 2015.

So you're basically saying that it worked. Lol

 

[K1984]

Everybody knows tanking works , whats new


Look at everybody who won the cup recently aside from Boston and the Blues lol. This is exactly what they did.


So you're basically saying that it worked. Lol

Yes, but only due to what amounts to good fortune. Tanking and picking high is very far from a magic bullet solution.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Yes, but only due to what amounts to good fortune. Tanking and picking high is very far from a magic bullet solution.

No but being mediocre and picking 20th every year does nothing either , so tanking works better than competing for a playoff spot every year

 

[StreetHawk]

Literally is, most teams who tank don't see success for 7 seasons. Like real success, winning a playoff round more than one time.

People were more prone to seeing the early post lockout Penguins/Hawks success as a model to follow. But those teams had assests building while they weren't tanking, they were just in cheap struggling ownership hell. A difference is they had lots of talent rising before they were bottom dwelling. They didn't trade off pieces to be bad, they were more bad while gaining talent/assests for the future.

And the GM at the time of the tank, how many were still around in the end? Neither Edm or Fla GM is still around from back then. Talon was GM til July 2009 before getting demoted. Patrick let go in 2006 after the team drafts their core of MAF, Malkin, Sid, and finished 2006 to draft Staal. ditto TB from their Stamkos and Hedman seasons.

Colorado, Sherman was GM from 2009 to 2014, so under his reign got Landy, Mack in the draft.

So, no payoff to be the GM of a tank job.... That's a reason GMs don't volunteer for a massive rebuild vs try to make what they currently have work. I think it's only Dean Lombardi in LA who endured the bad years and was around for the Cup. GM in April 2006, so he drafted Hickey, DD, Schenn in the top 6. But, made 2 monster deals to get Carter and Richards.

Being realistic, how many of Davidson, Grier, Verbeek will be around should/when Chicago, Anaheim, SJ turn it around?

 

[paragon]

Drop Bennett over Lundell? Surely you jest.

Lundell takes a lot of faceoffs. Clear second in their team after Barkov. He leads his team in P/60 and he really stepped up after Bennett was injured. I think there is a good case for Lundell over Bennett in this playoff run.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lundell takes a lot of faceoffs. Clear second in their team after Barkov. He leads his team in P/60 and he really stepped up after Bennett was injured. I think there is a good case for Lundell over Bennett in this playoff run.

Bennett injured his hand, which is why he hasn't been taking faceoffs. He's been an absolute beast this playoff run, one of their most impactful players.

 

[heynowbababooey]

Yessss!!! Played the f*** out of this game. I think this was the year the defensive skill stick was introduced.

 

[banks]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

Are you really trying to claim that Edmonton's current Cup run is because of Adam Larsson and Nail Yakupov? Because that's what it looks like.

Get stuffed.

 

[Stephen]

I can't tell if the purpose of this thread is a commentary on the 2010s Blackhawks or a wish for the 2030s Blackhawks.

 

[Szechwan]

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

This doesn't do justice to the Oilers.

Edmonton 2007-2019

Four 1st overalls
One 3rd overall
One 4th overall
One 6th overall
One 7th overall
One 8th overall
Two 10th overalls
One 19th overall
Two 22nd overalls

That is a generational level of tanking (due to incompetence, mostly). If the Oilers manage to get through this era without a Cup it will be remarkable.


Credit to you @WarriorofTime for posting that elsewhere.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I can't tell if the purpose of this thread is a commentary on the 2010s Blackhawks or a wish for the 2030s Blackhawks.

Por Que No Los Dos?

 

[PuckG]

Those three drafting years of Hall, Nuge and Yakupov really setting the stage for success, I guess.

 

[Oak]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

So I guess Chicago is next?

 

[rogking65]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

explain how Taylor Hall and Yakupov are so important in this yrs cup run

 

[WarriorofTime]

explain how Taylor Hall and Yakupov are so important in this yrs cup run

Who said they were?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Contemporary Top 3 Picks for Each Team in the Finals:

Florida Panthers:

2010 - 3rd overall
2011 - 3rd overall
2013 - 2nd overall
2014 - 1st overall

4 Top Three picks in a five-year span

Edmonton Oilers:

2010 - 1st overall
2011 - 1st overall
2012 - 1st overall
2014 - 3rd overall
2015 - 1st overall

5 Top Three picks in a six-year span

The whole "tanking doesn't work!" argument always focuses on the unsuccessful rebuilds, but once again we see the familiar pattern in the Salary Cap era that this is the most reliable way to build a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

Long-story short: if your team is no good, tank and tank hard, and don't be afraid to just keep on tanking if you don't have immediate results until you eventually do.

How many of their own 1st round picks has Vegas even kept in their system, never mind be contributors on their team?

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

What a nothing burger of a thread. High draft picks have a high chance of impact, incredible insight. Tank if you need to.