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Waitwaitwaitwait.

You're looking at his raw numbers and saying that simplistically his numbers merited top-10.

I'm saying that watching him play and looking at the context in which those numbers were generated would seem to indicate this is not the quality of player you'd expect of a #8 overall pick.

And I'm the one looking at things robotically?

I wouldn't argue that Melvin's Potato would have liked Quinn and that his numbers look reasonable for his draft position. The problem is that those numbers were generated by an older player in an ideal situation next to an elite playmaker, and by a player whose toolbox and overall game don't actually look that impressive when you see him on the ice.

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And again, birthdates and perception are a fascinating thing with draft picks.

If Quinn would have been born on September 12, he would have been eligible for the 2019 draft and probably wouldn't have been selected after a 12 goal/32 point season. And if he was re-entering in 2020 even if he was the exact same player with the exact same numbers, he wouldn't have gone in the top 25 picks of the draft.

But because he was born on September 19 ... #8 pick.

I'm not just looking at raw numbers. I told you that there are obviously NHL scouts who liked him as a top 10 pick so this isn't some sort of reach. There are scouts who watched both Rossi and Quinn play and preferred Quinn.

He doesn't play with Rossi at even strength. I'm sure you're aware of that since you watched him play?
 

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I told you that there are obviously NHL scouts who liked him as a top 10 pick so this isn't some sort of reach. There are scouts who watched both Rossi and Quinn play and preferred Quinn.
There were NHL scouts who thought Nail Yakupov, Cam Barker, and Erik Gudbranson were worthy of top 3 picks and that Jake Virtanen was better than Nylander and Juolevi and better than Tkachuk; so the opinions of pro scouts isn't anything to base a claim off of.[/QUOTE]
 
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Question for @Bad Goalie @UticaHockey or anyone else.

I'm confused about Shawn Cameron. What's the contract situation with him? I saw on the AHL Transactions page that he was "returned on loan to Greenville". I thought he was signed by Utica to a PTO but if that was the case it would have said he was released from the PTO. Then I wondered if he was under contract with Utica but as far as I know the only players they have signed to a SPC are John Stevens and Vincent Arseneau. Is he a Springfield signing who was loaned to us? I've tried to find out myself but I'm not finding any definitive answers. Thanks!
 

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Tampa has a stacked team so a good young prospect is more likely to spend more time in the AHL than a Canuck prospect of similar stature. Could be that they develop their youngsters better, too, but the difference in current lineup quality affects matters.
It could also be that we just don't have very many cases where we have a young player who could plausibly step into an NHL lineup but the parent team chooses to keep them in the minors for a bit longer.

Off the top of my head, Gaudette sticks out as one egregious example who should've spent more time developing in the AHL. His rookie year was mostly spent playing on the 4th line when he could've been better served getting big minutes in all situations with the Comets. Surely we could've found a 4C to plug into those minutes while he got the opportunity to grow his game before getting promoted full-time.

DiPietro this year is a strange case. Not sure why they didn't find some veteran for the taxi squad so they could send him down. Instead we're just letting him rot all season.
 

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Question for @Bad Goalie @UticaHockey or anyone else.

I'm confused about Shawn Cameron. What's the contract situation with him? I saw on the AHL Transactions page that he was "returned on loan to Greenville". I thought he was signed by Utica to a PTO but if that was the case it would have said he was released from the PTO. Then I wondered if he was under contract with Utica but as far as I know the only players they have signed to a SPC are John Stevens and Vincent Arseneau. Is he a Springfield signing who was loaned to us? I've tried to find out myself but I'm not finding any definitive answers. Thanks!

He was supposedly assigned to the Comets by St.Louis on a loan from the ECHL Greenville Swamp Rabbits on 3/9. The Comets last game was 3/10. They did not announce his acquisition, but he is listed on their roster wearing #15. He was returned to the Swamp Rabbits today. Anas was returned to the Comets and apparently McGing nad Arseneau are now healthy and the positve COVID test player must be either okay or close to return. Thus, with Cull's aversion to extra roster player Cameron was no longer needed. Never suited up since the Comets games have all been postponed since 3/10 due to Rochester American COVID problems. Since Syracuse, Rochester, and Utica play most of their games against each other, the Rochester debacle is postponing any games between the 3.

That's the best I can do for you. I never saw the kid. The Comets are closed to all people including the media unless specifically invited on given days when Cull makes himself and others available to them.
 
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He was supposedly assigned to the Comets by St.Louis on a loan from the ECHL Greenville Swamp Rabbits on 3/9. The Comets last game was 3/10. They did not announce his acquisition, but he is listed on their roster wearing #15. He was returned to the Swamp Rabbits today. Anas was returned to the Comets and apparently McGing nad Arseneau are now healthy and the positve COVID test player must be either okay or close to return. Thus, with Cull's aversion to extra roster player Cameron was no longer needed. Never suited up since the Comets games have all been postponed since 3/10 due to Rochester American COVID problems. Since Syracuse, Rochester, and Utica play most of their games against each other, the Rochester debacle is postponing any games between the 3.

That's the best I can do for you. I never saw the kid. The Comets are closed to all people including the media unless specifically invited on given days when Cull makes himself and others available to them.
Still am unable to like your post so I'll give you a LIKE as consolation LOL.

Thank you for the breakdown, as usual. I rely on the AHL contracts thread in the AHL forum for my info about AHL signings but they didn't have Jackson listed as a Springfield signing so it seemed the player just came out of left field.
 

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Still am unable to like your post so I'll give you a LIKE as consolation LOL.

Thank you for the breakdown, as usual. I rely on the AHL contracts thread in the AHL forum for my info about AHL signings but they didn't have Jackson listed as a Springfield signing so it seemed the player just came out of left field.

Robby Jackson was signed to an AHL contract by San Antonio/Springfield/St.Louis? and sent to Utica since Springfield cancelled its season. He was a late signing, but he was on the training camp roster and has been with the team all season.
 

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I recently had an exchange with a St.Louis /Springfield fan. He revealed a fact we had not been informed of. The Blues were given a specific number of players that could be added to the Comets roster. That means the rest of the roster was the responsibility of the Canucks. It also means it would be their responsibility to add players to the roster if call-ups and injuries depleted their roster. In the last 3 games the Comets played 2 with 11 forwards and the other with 12. I'd call that the epitome of a depleted roster.

Jim Benning is to blame for not providing the Comets with an adequate number of players during their recent roster shortage. It can be called nothing less than a dereliction of duty - "the shameful failure to fulfill one's obligations" (Oxford).
 

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Utica Comets games vs Syracuse on Saturday and Rochester on Sunday have been postponed due to COVID protocol. That will make a total of the last 7 scheduled games postponed. Comets last played on March 1oth.

The Syracuse/Rochester scheduled for tonight appears to be taking place. If so, that would mean the Comets have a much bigger problem than they have been letting on. their stance is it's all because of one player exposed during that March 1oth game by a Rochester player.

Wouldn't that be a surprise? NOT.
 
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Utica Comets games vs Syracuse on Saturday and Rochester on Sunday have been postponed due to COVID protocol. That will make a total of the last 7 scheduled games postponed. Comets last played on March 1oth.

The Syracuse/Rochester scheduled for tonight appears to be taking place. If so, that would mean the Comets have a much bigger problem than they have been letting on. their stance is it's all because of one player exposed during that March 1oth game by a Rochester player.

Wouldn't that be a surprise? NOT.
Everything is a big secret.
 
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Everything is a big secret.

And more so ever since the arrival of Cull. He froze fans out of the building during practices so they couldn't report what and who they saw at practices to fans at the games or in threads like this one or on Twitter or Facebook.. The media has assigned days that he and some players are available to them and it was like that before the COVID issue.

He never answers a question. He made a mistake in a preseason meeting with fans on "Meet The Comets Night" early in his coaching career here. He did answer a question saying he didn't like to have extra players around. If a player is here he must play. Thus, his short rosters that have bitten him every season at one time or another. Remember last year when he inserted D-man LeBlanc to play LW on more than one occasion. In '17-18 he played D-man Adam Comrie on LW several nights. IN one of those games he played Comrie on LW and another D-man on RW (that player's identity slips my mind at the moment). Those are 2 off the top of my head, but there have been quite a few other instances when he didn't have enough players. His answers since then have been airy elides.

That short roster philosophy in a season like this, when they don't have the Zoo to fall back on at least for warm bodies, is evidence of a low coaching IQ. The only thing that has recently saved his ass with a lack of players available is COVID 19. You should note, if you have been paying attention, he has been saying we are in good shape during these short roster situations since February 27, when he played 11 forwards and rotated 7 D. He came back 4 nights later on March 3rd, and did it again, but got into even more of a problem when Lind was injured leaving the team to play with 10 forwards. However one of the 10 was Arseneau, who played sparingly/not intensely in the 3rd. He had 7 days to acquire help, but on March 1oth he played D-man Josh Wesley on RW with McGing back, but now Lind and Arseneau out. Still 11 forwards.

Who knows what we might see over the course of the next few weeks with the 7 extra games, all of which have been postponed. With the upcoming schedule already showing a tighter schedule, the league will be rescheduling those postponed games into that tighter schedule making for even more games in even fewer days. That's a time when you might see teams add a couple extra guys to a full roster as insurance against fatigue as well as a greater likelihood of injuries. Will Utica do such? Not on your life. They are following the new Benning philosophy of taking things day by day. No forward planning of any kind. Of course with the quarantine issues when newbies do come in, that plan is f***ing stupid beyond stupid. Even if a guy does get here, he can't play for a specific number of days depending upon where he came from.

Many in Vancouver believe when Lind is healthy he will be added to the Vancouver Taxi. The return of Anas is a huge plus. I am assuming (not necessarily a good thing to do) that McGing and Arseneau will be healthy giving them a whopping 13 forwards. Moving into a condensed schedule that's a number certain to become less and itr won't take long particularly the way Arseneau has fallen prey to injury the past 2 seasons. They also have only 7 D-men
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That's one extra up front and 1 extra in the rear. No team ever considers that an adequate roster in any season.

They do have 3 goalies. Thankfully St. Louis has sent 3 here thus far. Jon Gillies was a called up, but they sent Joel Hofer down. Jake Kielly id the only keeper supplied by Vancouver. The Taxi goalie in Vancouver is 2nd yr pro (38 pro appearances), Mikey DiPietro. He is yet to see a game this season and his last time playing a game was 3/11/2020. Fantastic development plan for the kid. Watch Holtby not be there next season and Mikey gets tapped for the backup slot and struggles his ass off and fans there decide he's a bust. Man, talk about setting the kid up.
 
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The Comets situation seems bad but the reality is the league is a mess this season. Tonight the Rochester Americans played with 17 skaters (7D and 10F). The starting goalie was an ECHL PTO call up playing his first ever AHL game and the backup goalie was their video coach. They managed to make it to OT before losing to Syracuse.

 
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...They are following the new Benning philosophy of taking things day by day. ...

Presumably you used the word "new" with tongue firmly planted in cheek, Benning in his almost seven years as gm always having acted as someone believing the old saying "the future is now."
 

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Utica Comets games vs Syracuse on Saturday and Rochester on Sunday have been postponed due to COVID protocol. That will make a total of the last 7 scheduled games postponed. Comets last played on March 1oth.

The Syracuse/Rochester scheduled for tonight appears to be taking place. If so, that would mean the Comets have a much bigger problem than they have been letting on. their stance is it's all because of one player exposed during that March 1oth game by a Rochester player.

Wouldn't that be a surprise? NOT.
No kidding. I thought the postponements were because of Covid problems with other teams because we haven't really heard anything concerning the Comets. However, as you said, other teams like Rochester and Syracuse are in action.

And yeah, chalking it up to one Rochester player on the 10th is BS. After the 28th it'll have been 18 days since then.
 

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No kidding. I thought the postponements were because of Covid problems with other teams because we haven't really heard anything concerning the Comets. However, as you said, other teams like Rochester and Syracuse are in action.

And yeah, chalking it up to one Rochester player on the 10th is BS. After the 28th it'll have been 18 days since then.

They played. Syracuse defeated Rochester 4-3 in OT. Comets don't play either of their games scheduled for this weekend.The "single" Comet was exposed 3/10. That was 17 days ago. Their next game on the 31st will be 21 days later. A little rust buildup perhaps? They didn't practice some of those days off either.

Got an update for us on Lind in Vancouver? Still there? Gonna activate him for the Taxi? If they send him back his quarantine here would total 4 days if he tests negative when leaving Vancouver and also negative when he gets here.

Got a feeling we have seen the last of him this year. Wouldn't bet against him being back in '21-22 though.
 

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No kidding. I thought the postponements were because of Covid problems with other teams because we haven't really heard anything concerning the Comets. However, as you said, other teams like Rochester and Syracuse are in action.

And yeah, chalking it up to one Rochester player on the 10th is BS. After the 28th it'll have been 18 days since then.
The Comets last played on 3/10 against Rochester then the next day the Amerks had three players and one staff member test positive. From that exposure two Comets tested positive and recently a third player has also tested positive. The AHL doesn't release players names who are out with COVID so we don't know which players are impacted.

Utica Comets postpone 9 consecutive games due to COVID-19 protocols
 

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DiPietro this year is a strange case. Not sure why they didn't find some veteran for the taxi squad so they could send him down. Instead we're just letting him rot all season.

DiPietro has spent the last few months facing NHL shooters in practice and getting some direct time with Ian Clark. If he was in Utica he probably would've started only 5 or 6 games-- Comets have only played 9-- against inferior AHL Light opposition compared to the real AHL that he played in last season. I don't think he would've been any better off there than here.

It's just a tough year for prospect development due to circumstances.
 

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The Comets last played on 3/10 against Rochester then the next day the Amerks had three players and one staff member test positive. From that exposure two Comets tested positive and recently a third player has also tested positive. The AHL doesn't release players names who are out with COVID so we don't know which players are impacted.

Utica Comets postpone 9 consecutive games due to COVID-19 protocols

When did they postpone 9 games?
Last played 3/10.
Postponed:
3/12
3/13
3/19
3/20
3/24
3/27
3/28
That's 7 games.

Next 2 scheduled games are 3/31 and 4/3. Were these games already postponed as well? If not I don't get the 9 games. No games of the first 9 were postponed and only the next 7 were postponed since and that counts today.
 

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DiPietro has spent the last few months facing NHL shooters in practice and getting some direct time with Ian Clark. If he was in Utica he probably would've started only 5 or 6 games-- Comets have only played 9-- against inferior AHL Light opposition compared to the real AHL that he played in last season. I don't think he would've been any better off there than here.

It's just a tough year for prospect development due to circumstances.

Asking seriously. How many days have the Canucks practiced in Vancouver since their first game was played.
 

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Addendum to post # 845.

The Canucks opened on the road and would end up with 25 days off in Vancouver counting the week off they are currently experiencing. Which means all the time they were playing nearly every other day with 4 back to backs in there. They had 18 days off while in Vancouver and only 2 times did that include 2 consecutive days off. The other 14 days were in between games. So, it was basically a game every other day with 4 back to backs making the intense schedule even more compact. How many of those 14 days with that schedule did they actually schedule full team practices and how many of them would be hard all out work? Any?

In April they will only have 5 days off while in Vancouver. 2 will be back to back the other 3 in between games.

In may they will have 4 games in 8 days. 1 will be a travel day back home from To. The other 3 are in between every other day games.

My point here is how many actual Vancouver practices is Mikey going to participate in? He doesn't travel. All of those days it will be the Taxi guys having a skate to stay in shape. He'll face shots, but it's not like game type action. A keeper can sit in his net and take shots from guys who are unchallenged for weeks, but it's not playing hockey. It's like warmups.

I doubt the Canucks have had a real practice with all the drills and working and skating hard more than a handful of times before this week and I have to believe they are going to get some rest time off the ice for tw0/tree of those days.

With the situation in Utica since March 10th he wouldn't be getting any ice time. So, right now it's a wash. However, without any real game action/pressure since 3/11/20, he will have gone a year and a half without playing competitive hockey. He and a couple other Taxi riders have lost a lot of hockey while the rest of the prospects will at least have practiced and played games as part of a full team all season.

DiPietro (0 GP), Rafferty (1 GP in Vancouver), Sautner (2 GP in AHL Manitoba), Silovs (1 GP in Manitoba)

Brisebois has finally got a few games in with Laval. (2pts in 7 GP)

Juolevi has 15 GP with 1pt.

This isn't exactly a way for anybody to try to gain access an NHL lineup.
 
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