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And you're basing all of that on his draft -1 season though. I understand that he missed the 2019 draft by days, but in his draft eligible year he was 2nd in the OHL in goals and NHL scouts clearly saw enough of him and from him.

There are some draft risers who deserve to be drafted early. Bo Horvat looked nothing like a top 10 pick until the 2nd half of his draft eligible year.

I'm not basing it 'only' on his draft -1 season.

I'm saying :

a) if this was the exact identical player born 4 days earlier he would have been passed over in 2019 and maybe been a 3rd rounder in 2020.
b) his 'breakout' in the OHL has to come with a bit of scrutiny given that it came as the Cheechoo next to one of the most dominant playmakers in the CHL.
c) *actually watching him play*, I find him really underwhelming. Regardless of anything that happened in the OHL, this player does not look like a player who should have been a top-10 pick to me. Again, it looks like Nicklas Jensen if Jensen had happened to bang in 50 goals in his draft year playing next to RNH or something like that.

Given his age (basically the same as Podkolzin) this is a player who as a #8 overall pick you'd expect to be stepping into an NHL lineup next year or be very very close, and he's miles away really.
 

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Kole LInd in Vancouver to fix a broken nose.


Another case like Juolevi in Utica and Pettersson in Vancouver.
Minor injury.
A little more serious than we thought.
Juolevi to surgery and Petey to LTIR.

Lind received that injury on March 3rd. The worst medical facility in the land can diagnose a broken beak. It's March 20 and we hear he is in Vancouver to fix a broken nose. Guess there isn't a competent specialist at the Syracuse University Medical Center at Crouse Irving. He had to fly all the way to Vancouver. It's been 17 days since the injury. You don't say exactly when it was that he came there. NOTHING HAS BEEN MENTIONED ABOUT HERE.

Thanks for the info.

My roomate took a crosscheck to the nose just to the right of my crease and slumped to the ice along the end boards. Same guy that did it had seriously cut up 3 of our guys badly over 2 seasons. My roomie was also cut for a bunch of threads making 4. One look at him and the nose bent from the middle to an awkward angle towards his cheek said broken nose. I'm sure it didn't take a team of rocket scientists to determine the extent of Kole's injury either. Looks like we won't be looking to see him on the ice again soon. Too bad. I had a feeling this season was going to have huge influence on the determination of his future.

I went to the hospital with him 2 days later to see an ears, nose and throat specialist. He x-rayed, did a couple more tests, and then said,
"Hockey player, huh?"
"Yep."
"This will hurt for a second, but it will be over in a flash."
He inserted a what looked like Gauze wrapped instrument up his nostril on the side of the bend. Then made a quick wrist twist. Roomie yelled. Dr. backed up. Hand still gripping the tool. Moved back in a minute later. Carefully observed his work.
"I'm going to take this out now it's all over."
Well not quite. He placed his thumb and forefinger of the hand not gripping the instrument high on the bridge of his nose and as he puled the tool out he made a very quick tug straight down and the tug and removal were simultaneous and the procedure was done. He taped the nose across from cheek to cheek. It was a perfect job.

That scum bag got his a period later. One of the guys, who had previously had his chin in that natural crease between the chin and lower lip cut right straight through to the other side leaving his lower lip pushed up and over his lower teeth and hooked inside his mouth, got him back. Took a mess of stitches inside and out to close that one up and off season plastic surgery to clean out the scar tissue that formed between the two repaired lacerations.

The guy, a center, came across the blue line and cut to the top of the circle. His rw cut behind him . the assailant was back checking the goon. I eased out to take his angle. My D-man was closing on him. He dropped his right shoulder and was just about to snap a hard wrister when my d-man knocked his hip off line and he suddenly awkwardly spun away from me. When he turned back he was on the edge of the circle with a stream of blood shooting straight out of what looked like his eye socket. He rode the circle on one skate like it was a rail. His other leg was perpendicular to the ice like some kind of fancy figure skating glide. His blood made a spattered outline of the circle. The puck had slid into me and a I covered it mesmerized by the sight before me. The whistle blew. My d-man, the trailing back checker, and the wing cutting behind his center all ended up tripping over one another as the injured guy squirted through them. He crumpled to the ice at the bottom of the circle right in front of me and the red puddle quickly encompassed his head. The ref was on top of him and the trainers from both teams were slipping and sliding on the run. I got the Hell out of there. When I got to the beginning of our bench and leaned up against the boards, the guy who had done it WITHOUT being noticed by a fan, player, or official, asked me what happened. I said I couldn't explain it but the asshole had been carved. The tangled mass that was created by the 4 bodies intersecting had set the perfect screen for the short spear. It went unnoticed other than to say it had to have come in the 4-way collision.

It turns out the injury was to his eyelid. Luckily no damage to the eyeball just a perfect scalpel-like incision from one edge of the upper lid to the other side, but still connected at the edges. It was f***ing ugly. He was in shock and writhing in pain and even more in fear that he had lost his eye. He was done for the season. Our coach who was a hockey purist and detested stick stuff and any other illegal activity never said a word about this. Didn't ask who did it. Didn't care if the guy was seriously injured or not. This was one situation where justice had been served. Case closed.

Nobody felt any sympathy for him. His own teammates knew he had it coming. It was just a matter of what team would do it and when.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Nobody wore cages or face shields in those days so facial cuts were common, sometimes pretty severe cuts. Missing teeth were much more common than today as well. Thank god the sticks weren't made of the same kind of material as the current models. These blades today would be like scalpels in the hands of the idiots who learned to use them to purposely injure other players.
 
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Sundquist goes on LTIR. The Taxi only has one forward and the Blues roster is carrying 14.
LTIR forwards:
Sundquist
Barbashev
Steen
IR forwards:
MacEachern
Thomas

Taxi forward:
Pognaski - 3rd year pro
'18-19 -
AHL San Antonio (31Pts/59GP)
ECHL Tulsa Oilers (3Pts/3GP)
'19-20 -
NHL St Louis (0-Pts/1GP)
AHL San Antonio (30Pts/56GP)
'20-21
NHL St Louis (0Pts/5GP)

Forwards on the roster recalled from Utica:
Nathan Walker
Dakota Joshua

Does St. Louis take a chance in calling up Anas considering he has been skating with the Comets who have missed the last 4 games due to COVID protocol after 3 Amerks and an Amerk non player were tested positive after playing the Comets. One Comet has since tested positive based upon contact with one of those Amerks. Obviously they won't say who.

Available Comet forwards as we know it:

Vancouver:
Baertschi
Jasek
Gadjovich
Lockwood
Focht
Lind - INJURED

John Stevens - AHL contract
Arseneau - AHL contract/INJURED

St Louis:
Anas
Nolan Stevens
Curtis McKenzie
Tanner Kaspick
Hugh McGing - INJURED

Robby Jackson -AHL contract

That's 10 healthy forwards counting ANAS. If he's recalled that's 9.
We don't know the status of the injured since they last played on 3/10. We know for certain that Lind is still hurt. He was in Vancouver getting a broken nose taken care of. I heard that last night from a Vancouver HF poster. Don't know when he got there nor how long his absence is projected to be.
If McGing and Arseneau are recovered that would be 12 not counting Anas.

I foresee the recall of Sam Anas any minute. Have to believe the Blues will be buyers and sooner than later. LTIR money to spend on season ending injuries.

Just looking ahead, the Canucks have 13 forwards on their roster and 2 in the Taxi, Eriksson and Graovac.

Looking at the Comets roster I don't see anyone that Benning would actually want especially since he and Aquaman are gunning for the playoffs.

Some might say Gadjovich. He's been playing very well. In a very watered down AHL, yes. NHL caliber play, not hardly.

Baertschi should be the one, but he has not shown to actually be in NHL shape. Appears to be exerting a respectable effort for the state the league is in, but looks like he's playing out his contract so he can get paid before going back home.

I don't think Jasek is NHL material.
Lockwood is not ready.
Focht is barely AHL level material.

Benning better hope no injuries all of a sudden pop up because he will be in a world of hurt. His failure to place a couple NHL/AHL tweeners the likes of Boucher and Goldobin or whomever to recall in times of emergency as he has always done in the past will bite him squarely in both ass cheeks. Not to mention he will leave his farm with an inadequate number of players to ice an actual team.
 
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Sounds very secretive, cloak and daggerish. o-o-o-o! What a fast one JB.

Could have just done it outright. The taxi has room for one more.

Of course it leaves his farm with 11 forwards with 2 injured as of the last game and Sam Anas likely to be recalled with Lundquist headed to LTIR for the season.

If everybody remaining is healthy by the next game and Anas is gone, they will have exactly 12 forwards with no ECHL team to call anybody up from.

Oh and one of those, ?, has tested positive for COVID so that might mean 11 total and that's if the injured are no longer injured.

JB and Johnson geniuses in team construction.
 
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there isn't competent doctors on our team either. Pettersson went from day to day to week to week to LTIR. I'm not enough making this up.

Laughing hysterically, but it's not funny, hence the word hysterical. If you've read my previous posts, I pointed this out exactly using Juolevi when here and Petey now in Vancouver

Reason for real hysteria here is that the number of forwards on this team is beyond critical. Take Lind away and have Anas recalled by the Blues and they have a total of 12 forwards. 2 were injured as of the last game. Another has tested positive for COVID. The 2 injured guys may be set to go. If not, it's conceivable the Comets could only have 9 available forwards.

Nobody here of Comets importance has mentioned a thing about their player crisis.
 
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Enough to field a team every night. It's not the fault of the prospects in Utica that Benning has spent like a drunken sailor and Aqua has wrongly tightened the purse string on the farm.

I say wrongly because the guys on the taxi squad are making their AHL money. The only player in Manitoba is Silovs who should be in Jrs, but can't. The only guy in Laval is Brisebois. Those 2 salaries are not breaking the Vancouver bank. The fact is every one of those guys would have been paid that money to play in Utica anyways. Without St. Louis they would have had to cough up more bucks anyways. I have only been talking about an AHL/NHL tweener experienced D-man and a couple forwards. That would have been pennies to a billionaire. If he doesn't develop the kids effectively, he wastes every cent he spent on them to begin with.

In reality Benning has never used the Comets to develop anybody. The Comets have been a spot for him to stash his call-ups until they were needed. In the last 6 years since Henning, who has he sent to Utica that he considered serious material for the future Canucks? MacEwen, getting little game time, is the only Comets forward to land on the roster and stay there for a complete season. Toss out the others I may have overlooked in my haste to post this comment. He always signed vets to fill his vacancies. The good players down here were his reserve stash

St.Louis has been the saving grace for this team. All the Canucks sent to help the prospects was Baertschi. Care to inform me of whom else? The Comets are so lucky that they are only playing Syracuse and Rochester. The Amerks belong to Buffalo. The parent club is the league's worst. The Tampa team took the best the 'cuse had to the Taxi. So the Crunch are down as well. You have 3 down franchises playing each other exclusively.

I am only concerned with the prospects getting as much development as possible. Having the team down to 10 healthy forwards at one point and 11 for three games is piss poor management. It occurred because St. Louis had to call up the vet talent they brought in to help their prospects. Since Vancouver didn't acquire the same few for their side, the team ended up without enough players. There isn't an excuse for that. Lind has become impotent with the recall of Anas. Gadjovich is having a great season because there aren't any solid D-men to handle his physicality going to the net aside from the Syracuse goon, Witkowski.

You can easily see the reasons for so much of their success is the level of competition and in several games the work of their keepers Gillies from the Blues and surprisingly Kielly, especially in the OTs, were still the reason for their victories.

If you have followed my coverage of the games and my post game analyses you will note I have had high praise where it was due as always. I have also noted the flaws I have seen as always. orcatown and MS have been right in the same ball park. If you want to support Vancouver management, go right ahead. They have not taken care of the kids down here since Henning was fired.

Aren't Sautner and Graovac in Manitoba as well BG?



*agreed that Dipietro should have been in Utica all season. It's really my only beef with the way Benning has handled the farm this year. Securing an arrangement with St Louis to stock the Comets with some quality players so the Canucks had the flexibility to assign some veterans to Canadian AHL teams for a quicker callup was a very astute move imo. I think generally the Canucks have handled this miserable pandemic / border situation about as well as could be expected.
 
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I wouldn't count on it unless JB signs another cheap goalie and stashes him in the Taxi.

It's no problem getting Mikey Game ready here. All he has to do is test neg for COVID in Vancouver before he leaves, another when he gets here, and then another after 3 days in quarantine. If something happens in Vancouver and they want him back, he has to quarantine 14 days before he is able to take the ice.

He needs to play. If Manitoba is willing to play him and I mean put him right into games, he could go there. It's unlikely they would do such. Silovs has played a grand total of 1 game. 0-1-0/2.07 GAA/.920 SAV%.Manitoba is 7-7-2-0.
 

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The way the Comets have been an afterthought for Benning flat out pisses me off. Why wouldn’t you want your AHL team to be the best it can be?
Because they live day-t0-day.... duh.

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The way the Comets have been an afterthought for Benning flat out pisses me off. Why wouldn’t you want your AHL team to be the best it can be?

You'd have to ask him. He fired the only guy who did in Lorne Henning the second he had success. You might extrapolate something from that. I did.
 
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The way the Comets have been an afterthought for Benning flat out pisses me off. Why wouldn’t you want your AHL team to be the best it can be?
Well they have blueprint for a successful AHL team can mean, just down the road in Syracuse....look at the current Lightning roster and how many of their support players cut their teeth playing for the Crunch.

Meantime, other than Demko, I'm struggling to come up with a single former Comet who's had any impact for the Vancouver Canucks. Virtanen, Horvat, Juolevi, Gaudette and DiPietro all played for the Comets, but in the case of Virtanen, Gaudette and Horvat it was only for a handful of games.

Successful NHL teams have successful AHL farm teams.....something you'd think Benning would have figured out by now.
 
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Well they have blueprint for a successful AHL team can mean, just down the road in Syracuse....look at the current Lightning roster and how many of their support players cut their teeth playing for the Crunch.

Meantime, other than Demko, I'm struggling to come up with a single former Comet who's had any impact for the Vancouver Canucks. Virtanen, Horvat, Juolevi, Gaudette and DiPietro all played for the Comets, but in the case of Virtanen, Gaudette and Horvat it was only for a handful of games.

Successful NHL teams have successful AHL farm teams.....something you'd think Benning would have figured out by now.
Benning should have known that when he was hired based on previous experience but one of his early moves was to fire Lorne Henning so clearly he didn’t, or he thought he could do a better job himself. Obviously that’s never been the case, based on seven years of results.
 

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Meantime, other than Demko, I'm struggling to come up with a single former Comet who's had any impact for the Vancouver Canucks. Virtanen, Horvat, Juolevi, Gaudette and DiPietro all played for the Comets, but in the case of Virtanen, Gaudette and Horvat it was only for a handful of games.

Successful NHL teams have successful AHL farm teams.....something you'd think Benning would have figured out by now.

I agree with your point, though there is more than Demko. Markstrom resurrected his career in Utica, starring during the 2014-15 season there. After crapping the bed in Vancouver, Virtanen spent the rest of 2016-17 playing 65 games for the Comets, then resurrected his career in the 2017 Canucks training camp. It is a pity he hasn't continued to build on that.

He didn't make a huge impact as a depth defenceman, but Alex Biega played all of 2013-14, almost all of 2014-15 and a portion of 2015-16 in Utica before sticking with the Canucks until they gave him to the Red Wings.

Nevertheless, your point stands. The Canucks have not really tried to develop players much in Utica. Since Henning was let go after the 2014-15 season they haven't signed good AHL players (particularly at center and on defence) with a view to helping the youngsters develop, though they have ended up with a few good AHL wingers, players intended for the Canucks who the Canucks didn't consider good enough to stay in the NHL.
 

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The Utica Comets game scheduled for Wednesday, March 24th, has been postponed due to COVID 19 protocols.
The last 5 Comets games have been postponed.
The Comets last played March, 10th.
 

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Well they have blueprint for a successful AHL team can mean, just down the road in Syracuse....look at the current Lightning roster and how many of their support players cut their teeth playing for the Crunch.

Meantime, other than Demko, I'm struggling to come up with a single former Comet who's had any impact for the Vancouver Canucks. Virtanen, Horvat, Juolevi, Gaudette and DiPietro all played for the Comets, but in the case of Virtanen, Gaudette and Horvat it was only for a handful of games.

Successful NHL teams have successful AHL farm teams.....something you'd think Benning would have figured out by now.
I don't pay very close attention to other NHL/AHL development success stories but because the Comets play the Syracuse Crunch so often and in many instances Utica and Syracuse share some media outlets being less than an hour from each other it is easy to see their development successes. Year-after-year the Crunch churn out young players who get called up to Tampa Bay and make an impact. AHL development has been a major part of the overall strategy for the Tampa Bay Lightning. A continued pipeline of lower cost AHL developed players enables them to keep their higher priced core together.

The Tampa Bay AHL development model is nothing revolutionary. Of course they scout and draft well but they are not one of the NHL teams that want their AHL team in the same market to share facilities and development coaches. Syracuse and Tampa Bay are over 1,200 miles apart. They do believe in developing prospects in a winning environment and always stock the Crunch with quality veterans that provide both mentorship and a competitive lineup.
 

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I don't pay very close attention to other NHL/AHL development success stories but because the Comets play the Syracuse Crunch so often and in many instances Utica and Syracuse share some media outlets being less than an hour from each other it is easy to see their development successes. Year-after-year the Crunch churn out young players who get called up to Tampa Bay and make an impact. AHL development has been a major part of the overall strategy for the Tampa Bay Lightning. A continued pipeline of lower cost AHL developed players enables them to keep their higher priced core together.

The Tampa Bay AHL development model is nothing revolutionary. Of course they scout and draft well but they are not one of the NHL teams that want their AHL team in the same market to share facilities and development coaches. Syracuse and Tampa Bay are over 1,200 miles apart. They do believe in developing prospects in a winning environment and always stock the Crunch with quality veterans that provide both mentorship and a competitive lineup.

And who would have ever known that such a system would work so well for the parent club in return?

I grew up watching the Maple Leafs do that for Rochester and have advocated the same for the Comets. Henning was doing a magnificent job of it and as far as I am concerned was partially the reason for his firing. Benning has done nothing even similar to it since he took charge of it after Henning.
 

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I don't pay very close attention to other NHL/AHL development success stories but because the Comets play the Syracuse Crunch so often and in many instances Utica and Syracuse share some media outlets being less than an hour from each other it is easy to see their development successes. Year-after-year the Crunch churn out young players who get called up to Tampa Bay and make an impact. AHL development has been a major part of the overall strategy for the Tampa Bay Lightning. A continued pipeline of lower cost AHL developed players enables them to keep their higher priced core together.

The Tampa Bay AHL development model is nothing revolutionary. Of course they scout and draft well but they are not one of the NHL teams that want their AHL team in the same market to share facilities and development coaches. Syracuse and Tampa Bay are over 1,200 miles apart. They do believe in developing prospects in a winning environment and always stock the Crunch with quality veterans that provide both mentorship and a competitive lineup.

Tampa has a stacked team so a good young prospect is more likely to spend more time in the AHL than a Canuck prospect of similar stature. Could be that they develop their youngsters better, too, but the difference in current lineup quality affects matters.
 

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I'm not basing it 'only' on his draft -1 season.

I'm saying :

a) if this was the exact identical player born 4 days earlier he would have been passed over in 2019 and maybe been a 3rd rounder in 2020.
b) his 'breakout' in the OHL has to come with a bit of scrutiny given that it came as the Cheechoo next to one of the most dominant playmakers in the CHL.
c) *actually watching him play*, I find him really underwhelming. Regardless of anything that happened in the OHL, this player does not look like a player who should have been a top-10 pick to me. Again, it looks like Nicklas Jensen if Jensen had happened to bang in 50 goals in his draft year playing next to RNH or something like that.

Given his age (basically the same as Podkolzin) this is a player who as a #8 overall pick you'd expect to be stepping into an NHL lineup next year or be very very close, and he's miles away really.

I know you like to look at these things in a robotic way and certainly odds support your view but there is such a thing as different developmental curves. It' not like Quinn is a nobody.

All I'm saying is that on draft day Quinn was a legitimate candidate to go in the top 10. Statistically his goal total is the highest since Tavares.
 

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I know you like to look at these things in a robotic way and certainly odds support your view but there is such a thing as different developmental curves. It' not like Quinn is a nobody.

All I'm saying is that on draft day Quinn was a legitimate candidate to go in the top 10. Statistically his goal total is the highest since Tavares.

Waitwaitwaitwait.

You're looking at his raw numbers and saying that simplistically his numbers merited top-10.

I'm saying that watching him play and looking at the context in which those numbers were generated would seem to indicate this is not the quality of player you'd expect of a #8 overall pick.

And I'm the one looking at things robotically?

I wouldn't argue that Melvin's Potato would have liked Quinn and that his numbers look reasonable for his draft position. The problem is that those numbers were generated by an older player in an ideal situation next to an elite playmaker, and by a player whose toolbox and overall game don't actually look that impressive when you see him on the ice.

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And again, birthdates and perception are a fascinating thing with draft picks.

If Quinn would have been born on September 12, he would have been eligible for the 2019 draft and probably wouldn't have been selected after a 12 goal/32 point season. And if he was re-entering in 2020 even if he was the exact same player with the exact same numbers, he wouldn't have gone in the top 25 picks of the draft.

But because he was born on September 19 ... #8 pick.
 
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