Player Discussion The Underrated Brock Boeser

[Bertuzzzi44]

What a season! What a playoffs!

Going for 50 next season!

 

[VanJack]

Despite his wonderful year, the Canucks have some hard decisions to make on Boeser. He's heading into his UFA season, at which point he's due a raise on his $6.5m salary.

I suppose there's a chance the Canucks re-sign him. But you'd have swallow hard if the contract 'ask' is $7-8m a season.

With Hughes needing a new contract down the road, and the need to rebuild the blueline again, you have to ask yourself if that amount of money makes sense for a guy who's only broken through the 30-goal barrier once in his career.

Allvin and Rutherford have proven they'll pursue just about any deal that they feel will improve the hockey club. That means almost anyone not named Pettersson, Hughes and Miller, should be on the table.

 

[LordBacon]

I suppose there's a chance the Canucks re-sign him. But you'd have swallow hard if the contract 'ask' is $7-8m a season.

Obviously you dont think so but I'd glady pay a proven playoff performer 7-8mil in his prime years.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I suppose there's a chance the Canucks re-sign him. But you'd have swallow hard if the contract 'ask' is $7-8m a season.

Lol you got to be kidding me. The one guy who who surpassed all expectations this year. Our best player in the playoffs (between him and Miller & Miller’s game was effected negatively without him in game 7), one of the few players that plays heavy and wins board battles, one of the few players that doesn’t coast and play on the perimeter, really rounded out his 2-way game, was used in key defensive situations, great character, Big goals during crunch time, extremely clutch.

 

[Pure West]

Despite his wonderful year, the Canucks have some hard decisions to make on Boeser. He's heading into his UFA season, at which point he's due a raise on his $6.5m salary.

I suppose there's a chance the Canucks re-sign him. But you'd have swallow hard if the contract 'ask' is $7-8m a season.

With Hughes needing a new contract down the road, and the need to rebuild the blueline again, you have to ask yourself if that amount of money makes sense for a guy who's only broken through the 30-goal barrier once in his career.

Allvin and Rutherford have proven they'll pursue just about any deal that they feel will improve the hockey club. That means almost anyone not named Pettersson, Hughes and Miller, should be on the table.

If he has a season anywhere close to the one he just had, if he only wants 7 million you take that and run. 40 goals, an excellent playoffs and quality 2 way play at 27 years old for 7 million would be an f'n steal.

 

[mriswith]

 

[Ace of Hades]

Just goes to show what a warrior he is.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

He is a bad ass.

 

[oba]

Lol you got to be kidding me. The one guy who who surpassed all expectations this year. Our best player in the playoffs (between him and Miller & Miller’s game was effected negatively without him in game 7), one of the few players that plays heavy and wins board battles, one of the few players that doesn’t coast and play on the perimeter, really rounded out his 2-way game, was used in key defensive situations, great character, Big goals during crunch time, extremely clutch.

Yep ...

 

[Grumbler]

7 million for him is definitely worth it. Of all the unrestricted free agents, he should be the first one we try to sign.

The only reason worth debating about is if his blood clot injury is long term. Sorry to sound unsympathetic but this is business.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Despite his wonderful year, the Canucks have some hard decisions to make on Boeser. He's heading into his UFA season, at which point he's due a raise on his $6.5m salary.

I suppose there's a chance the Canucks re-sign him. But you'd have swallow hard if the contract 'ask' is $7-8m a season.

With Hughes needing a new contract down the road, and the need to rebuild the blueline again, you have to ask yourself if that amount of money makes sense for a guy who's only broken through the 30-goal barrier once in his career.

Allvin and Rutherford have proven they'll pursue just about any deal that they feel will improve the hockey club. That means almost anyone not named Pettersson, Hughes and Miller, should be on the table.

If all Boeser wants is 7-8M, a meager 350k to 1.350k raise on his current deal. I ask him if he'd prefer 6, 7 or 8 years. He can pick. Hell, we can begin that contract discussion right now if he'd like. Getting out of the way early!

7-8M for Boeser would be a absolute steal. Yes, there are injury concerns and the like but we're not going to find a replacement anywhere close to as good for that price.

 

[VanJack]

Boeser is still going to be a very tough call for the Canucks. He's probably due a substantial raise on his base salary of $6.65m.

The problem for the Canucks, is that when you look at Boeser's career to date, last year's 40 goal, 73 point season was a total outlier. Prior to that he was averaging about 20-26 goals and 50 points a season, and has missed a chunk of time with injuries.

The Canucks decided that $8m a season was just too rich to swallow for Bo Horvat, and traded him basically at the top of the market. I know it might seem outlandish after the playoffs he just had, but you can't rule out the same thing happening to Boeser and the Canucks as it did when the Canucks traded their captain.

One thing is for certain.....expect the 'unexpected' from Allvin.

 

[Regal]

I was more on the potential sell high train with Boeser earlier in the year because of concern for his contract, and I’d still be concerned if he wanted 7-8 year and/or an overly high AAV, but his playoff impressed me even more than his regular season and I think he’s made some real strides as an overall player, and the team’s scoring drying up later in the year reinforced how valuable someone who can finish his chances is. Although the blood clotting issue likely made any current opinions moot anyway as it’s hard to see a scenario where you move him or sign him before the season, and reassess when he’s able to get back.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Boeser turned into Mark Stone 2.0 with better goal scoring. Has become an incredible 2-way player, best Canuck in the playoffs. Really Impressive.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Boeser turned into Mark Stone 2.0 with better goal scoring. Has become an incredible 2-way player, best Canuck in the playoffs. Really Impressive.

Im a massive Boeser booster but I cant agree that his 2 way impact is anywhere near prime Stone.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Im a massive Boeser booster but I cant agree that his 2 way impact is anywhere near prime Stone.

Boeser’s probably a better goal scorer but agree his 2-way isn’t at that Selke level, but it’s still pretty darn good.

 

[Johnsie19]

Boeser is still going to be a very tough call for the Canucks. He's probably due a substantial raise on his base salary of $6.65m.

The problem for the Canucks, is that when you look at Boeser's career to date, last year's 40 goal, 73 point season was a total outlier. Prior to that he was averaging about 20-26 goals and 50 points a season, and has missed a chunk of time with injuries.

The Canucks decided that $8m a season was just too rich to swallow for Bo Horvat, and traded him basically at the top of the market. I know it might seem outlandish after the playoffs he just had, but you can't rule out the same thing happening to Boeser and the Canucks as it did when the Canucks traded their captain.

One thing is for certain.....expect the 'unexpected' from Allvin.

I'd agree with this. Fans are super excited about him currently and I think they easily forget how they thought of him even a yr ago. I'll preface this by saying I have come to appreciate him in many ways. He's a big body, goes to the net, scores goals and developed his defensive game without question....But

He shot an unsustainably high 19.6%. He scored in bunches to do what he did this yr. He's a below average skater and he doesn't drive play. So the question becomes...Do you pay that type of player north of 7 perhaps north of 8 on a long term deal?

To me it's an easy answer given the cap complications of the OEL buyout to come. We need to create cap space somewhere. I just don't want to see him sign a 8 x 8 type deal and return to a 25 and 25 guy who can't skate.

Right now is the last time we can get anything for him. I like the guy but for the good of the team I would trade him. And I think in a yrs time this opinion could be painfully obvious.

Case in point for reference: Kuzmenko

I was more on the potential sell high train with Boeser earlier in the year because of concern for his contract, and I’d still be concerned if he wanted 7-8 year and/or an overly high AAV, but his playoff impressed me even more than his regular season and I think he’s made some real strides as an overall player, and the team’s scoring drying up later in the year reinforced how valuable someone who can finish his chances is. Although the blood clotting issue likely made any current opinions moot anyway as it’s hard to see a scenario where you move him or sign him before the season, and reassess when he’s able to get back.

I'd agree that the eye test suggested what you say. The only problem I have is he shot at an unsustainably high clip. His PDO was through the roof as well. This is a player primed for the regression. We know he can't skate now, hows he going to look into his 30s and on massive wages to boot.

 

[Johnsie19]

7 million for him is definitely worth it. Of all the unrestricted free agents, he should be the first one we try to sign.

The only reason worth debating about is if his blood clot injury is long term. Sorry to sound unsympathetic but this is business.

He's the most prime regression candidate on the team full of them. I agree he had a good season but he was bad for multiple seasons before that and basically worthless. Not the type of player I would want to commit long term too given how poorly he already moves. Get some futures now and replace him in free agency.

 

[Regal]

I'd agree with this. Fans are super excited about him currently and I think they easily forget how they thought of him even a yr ago. I'll preface this by saying I have come to appreciate him in many ways. He's a big body, goes to the net, scores goals and developed his defensive game without question....But

He shot an unsustainably high 19.6%. He scored in bunches to do what he did this yr. He's a below average skater and he doesn't drive play. So the question becomes...Do you pay that type of player north of 7 perhaps north of 8 on a long term deal?

To me it's an easy answer given the cap complications of the OEL buyout to come. We need to create cap space somewhere. I just don't want to see him sign a 8 x 8 type deal and return to a 25 and 25 guy who can't skate.

Right now is the last time we can get anything for him. I like the guy but for the good of the team I would trade him. And I think in a yrs time this opinion could be painfully obvious.

Case in point for reference: Kuzmenko


I'd agree that the eye test suggested what you say. The only problem I have is he shot at an unsustainably high clip. His PDO was through the roof as well. This is a player primed for the regression. We know he can't skate now, hows he going to look into his 30s and on massive wages to boot.

He’s due for some regression, and I wouldn’t want to pay him like a 40 goal scorer, but I think he’s shown he can be a legit 30 goal threat if he’s healthy and mentally focused (though health has been a problem for him), and I think he’s a big part of this team’s identity. I don’t want a bad contract but I also wouldn’t say no to a say 4 year deal at a reasonable rate, but we have no idea if he’d take a discount contract to stay. We also don’t know what a trade market would look like. I’m assuming management will do their due diligence on both, and if the trade market is grim and his ask is too high, ultimately the option to play out the year is there too and if he walks then so be it. Would be the equivalent of bringing in a rental.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

He's the most prime regression candidate on the team full of them. I agree he had a good season but he was bad for multiple seasons before that and basically worthless. Not the type of player I would want to commit long term too given how poorly he already moves. Get some futures now and replace him in free agency.

Yikes, what a bad take. He moves much faster than Matt Tkachuck and look how he’s doing. Flashy speed is overrated, being hard on the puck, playing heavy, winning board battles is underrated. Boeser is solid 2-way, 40 goal scorer who shows up in the playoffs and is clutch. Trade for futures? We lost in game 7 of the 2nd round to the Oilers playing our 3rd string goalie and with a banged up squad (Boeser our leading goal scorer was out for game 7 too), with all that adversity we were still a bounce away from being in the finals, the future is now, we’re gunning for the Stanley Cup next season not trading Boeser for futures lol.

 

[geebster]

My main worry about him is if he has a recurrent clot. He massively impressed me in the playoffs. The best Boeser we ever saw was when it mattered most and that's huge. We should be happy we have this kid and hope he can finish his course of blood thinners and then play out the rest of his prime here.

 

[arttk]

really surprised that the local reporters (Canucks central and etc) have been talking about the idea of trading away Brock. I wonder if their sources have been talking about it.

 

[Johnsie19]

He’s due for some regression, and I wouldn’t want to pay him like a 40 goal scorer, but I think he’s shown he can be a legit 30 goal threat if he’s healthy and mentally focused (though health has been a problem for him), and I think he’s a big part of this team’s identity. I don’t want a bad contract but I also wouldn’t say no to a say 4 year deal at a reasonable rate, but we have no idea if he’d take a discount contract to stay. We also don’t know what a trade market would look like. I’m assuming management will do their due diligence on both, and if the trade market is grim and his ask is too high, ultimately the option to play out the year is there too and if he walks then so be it. Would be the equivalent of bringing in a rental.

I think you could get a say a young player and a pick. And then replace him with a free agent and you end up creating cap space and getting young assets. That's what I'd do.

I also don't want to have a contract negotiating going on all season. Every time he scores the prices goes up haha. Ultimately my biggest concern is committing big money long term to Boeser which we will have to do next yr if we don't trade him.

 

[Johnsie19]

Yikes, what a bad take. He moves much faster than Matt Tkachuck and look how he’s doing. Flashy speed is overrated, being hard on the puck, playing heavy, winning board battles is underrated. Boeser is solid 2-way, 40 goal scorer who shows up in the playoffs and is clutch. Trade for futures? We lost in game 7 of the 2nd round to the Oilers playing our 3rd string goalie and with a banged up squad (Boeser our leading goal scorer was out for game 7 too), with all that adversity we were still a bounce away from being in the finals, the future is now, we’re gunning for the Stanley Cup next season not trading Boeser for futures lol.

Yup all those things are great. But you can't watch Boeser and not be concerned not only with how slow he skates but how slow he moves. He'll never be able to drive play with his skill set. So the question becomes do you commit 8 mil long term to that type of player?

He had a breakout yr off the back on an unsustainably high shooting% both in the regular season and in the playoffs. No one maintains 20-25% shooting % so when he regresses do you want to pay a guy who doesn't drive play and is already lumbering 8 x 8 to be a 25-30 goal, 55-60 point winger?

The alternative is you sell now, get the young assets, a pick. And use the cap space on a more play driving winger like Guentzel. Even Tyler Toffoli can bring you basically everything Boeser does and he'll prob be around 5 mil.

Also on your we almost made the finals thing, I agree with that to an extent but we were a historically lucky team. So the whole team will likely regress next yr. It's hard for fans to conceptualize this. The perfect example is Kuzmenko. His fall was very predictable.

We have cap issues and need to improve in a couple areas.

really surprised that the local reporters (Canucks central and etc) have been talking about the idea of trading away Brock. I wonder if their sources have been talking about it.

It would be a pretty ruthless trade but you'd be selling high on a guy who is going to want what 8x8? in a yrs time. And we know he doesn't drive play, has had health issues and doesn't move well. I'd be sad to see him go but tell Tyler Toffoli isn't basically the same player and half the price for instance.

 

[VanJack]

If Benning was still in charge, you could almost guarantee that Boeser would get his extension and a substantial raise to boot.

But then the previous regime always seemed to pay guys based on their 'best season'....and rarely on their previous seasons, or the overall picture. It's the reason they ended up with so many 'dead contracts' where the player was performing far below their contract numbers.

Trader Jim Rutherford and Allvin, aren't afraid to deal anyone. I mean trading your captain like Bo Horvat in the middle of the season takes some jam for sure. But in the end, it was the right call.

There are no 'sacred cows' with this Canuck roster right now. If they can improve the hockey club, they'll make the deal.