The strange case of Iain Duncan

DEANYOUNGBLOOD17

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I remember the Jets weee playing Calgary In The playoffs ….,

The home town announcer was comparing Fresh faced Duncan a rookie to Hull and Niewendyke a / 2 fresh faced rookies for Calgary…..

I’m going …… yeah spin it any way you want but our guy is shit and those Calgary guys are awesome!
 
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DEANYOUNGBLOOD17

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I met Smith in 91-92 summer Canada cup tourny. Picked him up at the airport .

Came off as smug and arrogant just as he appeared to be on Tv….when interviewed.

I believe Smith was a mistake in the Jets past when owners went with the backstabber/ 2 nd in charge in the wings to Ferguson.

Reminds me of a red headed ex / girlfriend ( commie lover) !

-2 old 80 year guys sitting on a park bench!/
- hot blond roller skates by and 1 old man says to the other …. “ Did u ever sleep with a hot blond like that?”
- many of times replied the other older gent
- A hot bruenett walking a dog strolls by…. “ Did you ever sleep with a dark haired beauty like that?”
- many a time replied the other older gent!

Then a fiery red head runs by jogging “ Did you ever sleep with a hot # / firely red head like that?”

- “ Not a wink !!! Kept 1 eye opened at all times !” Replied the other old gent!
 

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Another thing to consider, since Mike Smith had gone behind John Ferguson's back in Winnipeg (and with the Rangers many years prior!), why are we overlooking Barry Shenkarow's part in all of this? He's not exactly discouraging Mike Smith to come to him before Ferguson got the boot, why are we to assume that John Paddock wasn't doing the same thing to Smith in and around 1993 leading up to that draft?

For one thing, there are many accounts of Smith doing this, and the fact that Ferguson never spoke to him again after he was let go in 1988. There are absolutely no people on the inside that suggest Paddock ever did an underhanded thing like Smith did.
The 1992 draft year isn't a strong class (IMO), and was it Mike Smith making the final decision in all of those picks by the 1993 draft? I'm skeptical that Paddock didn't have more than enough input in the decision making by that point in time.
Smith was the GM. He called the shots until January 1994.

BTW, Fergie drafted Selanne, not Smith. The bottom line is it's the GM who calls the shots, and Fergie was GM. We can speculate all we want, but in the end it still remains speculation.

Finally, one of the knocks on Smith, is that he tended to prefer Russian players, since he thought they would be "cheaper" in the long run. This was all fine and good in 1989-91, when there was an abundance of Soviet players to choose from before Russian revolution in 1991.

However, once all the hidden gems were selected by the early 90s, it was really hit and miss. There is evidence Smith would have had a much tougher time drafting after 1992, as that was arguably the final year there was really an abundance of young and undiscovered Soviet hockey players. He did draft Khabiboulin, but why waste a 1st round pick on a 25 year old Russia, who was nothing special.

By 1993, most of the best Russian hockey players had been drafted, and Smith did not have the advantage that he once did, of getting to choose from an untapped well. His drafting of North American and Scandinavian players was not great after
 
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Selanne told a story recently on Spittin Chiclets that during a brief scoring slump in his rookie year (where he scored 76 goals lol), Smith threatened to send him to Moncton, and he even confronted his wife at Polo Park to ask her if she knew where Moncton was one time, lol
 

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Smith was the GM. He called the shots until January 1994.

BTW, Fergie drafted Selanne, not Smith. The bottom line is it's the GM who calls the shots, and Fergie was GM. We can speculate all we want, but in the end it still remains speculation.

By 1993, most of the best Russian hockey players had been drafted, and Smith did not have the advantage that he once did, of getting to choose from an untapped well. His drafting of North American and Scandinavian players was not great after

Then Smith gets full credit when he was the GM with Chicago, since he calls the shots, when drafting:
  • Brent Seabrook - Richmond, British Columbia
  • Duncan Keith - Winnipeg, Manitoba
  • Corey Crawford - Montreal, Quebec
  • Dustin Byfuglien - Roseau, Minnesota
All drafted after 1993, all North American. Selected in only two drafts.

By your logic, since Fergie was the GM at the start of the 1988-89 season, then perhaps the blame for the losing season falls on him, instead of Smith that year. Is that fair? So Smith, only missed the playoffs twice as the Jets GM, instead of three times.

Also saying "By 1993, most of the best Russian hockey players had been drafted, and Smith did not have the advantage that he once did, of getting to choose from an untapped well", but that's Smith's last year of drafting with the Jets. It's not like he had another 5 years with the team, to show us how terrible he was at drafting going forward. Literally all GM's have down years, like Smith had in 1993. He rebounded back with his two years in Chicago.

If you isolate the 7 seasons where he drafted, he did an very good/excellent job, comparing favorably vs other top GM's of that period. I illustrated that, and you glossed over it.

Detroit 1993, 1994, 1995.png


Look at Detroit's drafting from 1993 through 1995. Impressive? Smith never had two below average/bad years like Detroit did in 1993, and again in 1995. Every single GM has off years. Look at Glen Sather's extremely long run at poor drafting from 1984 going forward with Edmonton and in New York.
 
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Selanne told a story recently on Spittin Chiclets that during a brief scoring slump in his rookie year (where he scored 76 goals lol), Smith threatened to send him to Moncton, and he even confronted his wife at Polo Park to ask her if she knew where Moncton was one time, lol
That guy was a f**king loser. Did more harm to the franchise than good. Just a petty moron with little man syndrome. F that guy.
 

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In all seriousness, it is indeed very strange that he never played again, but I can't imagine Smith would have that kind of power. Did he have any health issues?
 
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Jets4Life

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Selanne told a story recently on Spittin Chiclets that during a brief scoring slump in his rookie year (where he scored 76 goals lol), Smith threatened to send him to Moncton, and he even confronted his wife at Polo Park to ask her if she knew where Moncton was one time, lol
Not the least bit surprised. He did the same thing with Hawerchuk and Housley pretty much. I read a book once about the 1987 World Junior Championship brawl between Canada and the USSR, and Smith, who was scouting for the Jets was at the airport boarding a plane at the same time as the Canadian team, and proceeded to yell and berate the team, even though he had nothing to do with Team Canada, and omitting to mention it was the Russians leaving the bench that caused the brawl.
 

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that was 1 of 2 Bautin moments that will live in infamy - TSN playing highlights of Sergey Brylin (who went on to have a longer career than Bautin) and Bautin, upon being traded to Detroit, vomiting after his first practice.
Somebody told me that he was a heavy smoker, and one of the worst conditioned athletes of all time. Mike Smith sure knew how to find them.

But John Ferguson to his infamy drafted Mann, Jim Kyte, Andrew Mc Bain and Bryan Marchment with 1st round picks, so there was a certain type that he went for.
 

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When John Ferguson was Director of Player Personnel with the Senators:

1992-95

Rick Bowness (coach)
  • Andrew McBain
  • Laurie Boschman
  • Doug Smail
  • Danielle Berthiaume
  • Jim Kyte
  • Pat Elynuik
  • Randy Cunneyworth
  • Evgeny Davydov
  • Scott Levins
  • Dmitri Filimonov (traded by Smith '93 after drafting him in 1991)
  • Dave McLlwain
  • Troy Murray
Mike Smith in Chicago, he was the Blackhawks' GM from September 2001 through to October 2003 (though he was already working with the Blackhawks prior to that timeline):

Alpo Suhonen (coach in 2000-01) finishing with a 29-40-8 record.
  • Alexie Zhamnov
  • Boris Mironov
  • Stephane Quintal (selected off waivers by Chicago in 2000)
  • Kris King (signed as a free agent in 2000)
  • Phil Housley (claimed in Waiver Draft, September 28, 2001)
  • Igor Korolev - Paddock timeline with the Jets
  • Mike Eastwood - Paddock timeline with the Jets
Mike Smith trades him to the 2002-03 Toronto Maple Leafs in March (they were 44-28-7-3 by the end of that season), a team that Smith had worked for as associate GM from 1997-99. Chicago was out of the playoff picture, and this was Phil Housley's last shot to win before he retired.

I suppose that Ferguson could have given Iain Duncan a shot in 1992, since he was bringing back literally every Jet that was still kicking around with no home. In fairness, Duncan was already 29 by 1992, and played his last AHL level game that same year (1 game with Adirondack), before lighting up the ECHL. Maybe he was in tryouts to make the squad that year.
 
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