The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[GordonGraham]

If the team is #8-#9 at the trade deadline will they keep all the UFA's and go for it or trade them all and make the reporters and fefans mad

 

[Habs7631]

If the team is #8-#9 at the trade deadline will they keep all the UFA's and go for it or trade them all and make the reporters and fefans mad

Keep em. Management has been preaching the mix, if the players deliver the mix and they still sell, imagine how the room would feel. I think even the coaching staff would be pissed.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I saw this on Instagram and had to post it , Absolutely hilarious , do people actually listen to BPM SPANRE ???

Same village idiot takes that got subban bridged and traded btw criss de sans dessin ces gens la

It's an old video from the bad start but I find it represents BPM spanre so beautifully

 

[Milhouse40]

If the team is #8-#9 at the trade deadline will they keep all the UFA's and go for it or trade them all and make the reporters and fefans mad

If they are in a position, they 100% .keeping the UFA instead of going after bottom round picks.

I mean, anyway....
Dvorak isn't worth anything right now.
Armia, not going to fetch much more than a 3rd or a 4th
Evans, seems like they are about to keep him


Savard is the only one left with value but he has a strong value for the Habs too.
unless they managed to get another veteran, I doubt they will move him....in fact an extension might not be out of the question either.

 

[Rapala]

Keep em. Management has been preaching the mix, if the players deliver the mix and they still sell, imagine how the room would feel. I think even the coaching staff would be pissed.

Hughes mid season presser tomorrow.

Some questions will probably get asked but Kent will never answer any of them.

Hutson's play
Evans' contract
Dobes' start and long term plans for him.

"We are extremely happy where we are at and will stay the course in our rebuild we aren't looking for short term solutions" etc etc etc.
'We are looking at everything"

 

[LaP]

Honestly sometime it's like people have not been paying attention to how KH is managing this team. Any extension to a player not named Evans would be very very surprising and very disappointing. Savard is going to be 35 and Armia 32. It's the same old "everyone can play until 40" syndrome that so many fans have been afflicted with for a while now. It's not real.

Most player's career ends before 35. Dustin Penner was a force when he was 26 and he retired at 30. Beleskey retired at 30. Petrov NHL career ended at 31. Weise retired at 31. Mathieu Perreault retired at 33 and it was one season too many. Brunet retired at 33 and it was also one season too many. Redden retired at 35. Mike Richard retired at 30. The list goes on and on and on.

I can't think of a single reason why Montreal would want to extend Savard, Armia and Dvorak. Beck will have one season of AHL exp. Engstrom will have one season of AHL exp. Kapanen will have one season of SHL exp. Roy two seasons of AHL exp. Mailloux two seasons of AHL exp.

If this season proved one thing (to KH and others) is if a kid ain't ready it's a problem that can be solved without too much effort. It's better to keep room and if it's not working you adress the situation with a trade than sign a bad 3 years contract to a 30 years old vet and then be stuck with a bad contract. I'll be shocked if KH signs any of those 3 guys.

 

[morhilane]

Most player's career ends before 35. Dustin Penner was a force when he was 26 and he retired at 30. Beleskey retired at 30. Petrov NHL career ended at 31. Weise retired at 31. Mathieu Perreault retired at 33 and it was one season too many. Brunet retired at 33 and it was also one season too many. Redden retired at 35. Mike Richard retired at 30. The list goes on and on and on.

The median retirement age in the NHL is 31 (forwards) and 32 (dmen).

 

[Sorinth]

Honestly sometime it's like people have not been paying attention to how KH is managing this team. Any extension to a player not named Evans would be very very surprising and very disappointing. Savard is going to be 35 and Armia 32. It's the same old "everyone can play until 40" syndrome that so many fans have been afflicted with for a while now. It's not real.

Most player's career ends before 35. Dustin Penner was a force when he was 26 and he retired at 30. Beleskey retired at 30. Petrov NHL career ended at 31. Weise retired at 31. Mathieu Perreault retired at 33 and it was one season too many. Brunet retired at 33 and it was also one season too many. Redden retired at 35. Mike Richard retired at 30. The list goes on and on and on.

I can't think of a single reason why Montreal would want to extend Savard, Armia and Dvorak. Beck will have one season of AHL exp. Engstrom will have one season of AHL exp. Kapanen will have one season of SHL exp. Roy two seasons of AHL exp. Mailloux two seasons of AHL exp.

If this season proved one thing (to KH and others) is if a kid ain't ready it's a problem that can be solved without too much effort. It's better to keep room and if it's not working you adress the situation with a trade than sign a bad 3 years contract to a 30 years old vet and then be stuck with a bad contract. I'll be shocked if KH signs any of those 3 guys.

Well presumably any extensions to those 3 would be both cheap and short, so it's unlikely you'd be in a situation where you are stuck with a bad contract even if their play falls off significantly.

And yeah you can address the problem with a trade in season, but at the same time is letting the problem fester for 2 months while you wait to see if anyone can step up and/or find the right fit trade wise a good idea? If we just miss out of the playoffs this year, a lot of blame (Fair or not) would be placed on Hughes not having the supporting veteran D help the team needed right from the get go.

I have no doubt Hughes will continue to ensure that there is opportunity for young guys to make the team but that doesn't preclude keeping valuable vets around either. So we aren't signing all 3 + Evans, but we also probably aren't going to let everyone walk, sign no UFAs and let prospects fill all the spots either.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If the team is #8-#9 at the trade deadline will they keep all the UFA's and go for it or trade them all and make the reporters and fefans mad

They will trade one or two and keep the rest, and may try to also buy a player or two with term.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They will trade one or two and keep the rest, and may try to also buy a player or two with term.

If they trade any of the vets they will have a trade in mind to replace him unless someone has been brought up from the AHL appears to be ready.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So uh,

How ‘bout that rebuild?

 

[DAChampion]

42 points in 41 games for Suzuki is outstanding. He's on track for the best Habs season for a forward since Kovalev in 2008. He may even beat it.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Can you guys feel it? Something in the air ...a little buzz around town.....the city is healing...
..something special is brewing......

 

[Redux91]

The next Most crucial step in the rebuild is :

-Turning Matheson's 4.875M + Savard's 3.5M into a real bonafide top RD next to Hutson.

-Getting Reinbacher next to Xhekaj when Savard is gone.
-Adding Demidov to Top6.
-Seeing if Newhook can be a great 3rd liner, or replace.
-Slot Beck in for Dvorak when he is gone.

-Profit

Eventually
We get Tuch and Xhekaj in the bottom 6 as well to replace Gallagher and whoever as well

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Remember when we used to roll out David Desharnais with Max and Subban in 3 on 3 OT?

Good times.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

42 points in 41 games for Suzuki is outstanding. He's on track for the best Habs season for a forward since Kovalev in 2008. He may even beat it.

I'd argue that Caufield's having a better year. Similar points but tons of goals. I sincerely hope he breaks 50. It's been way, way too long.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

-Turning Matheson's 4.875M + Savard's 3.5M into a real bonafide top RD next to Hutson.

Easier said than done

 

[Leto]

Listened to Allan Walsh's latest podcast episode this morning. He is saying the new upper limit of the salary cap this summer will be of 97 m. Some food for thought, we should have plenty of $ available to us. Here's a link to the youtube episode. It's at 39:10 of the video.​

 

[Redux91]

Easier said than done

Bigtime

But at least it is the primary issue on the docket
Not #3 or #7

It's the #1 thing they should be focusing most of their energy on
(And I'm pretty sure they are)

The good news is we're not asking for Drew Doughty or something
Even just an acquisition like Carrier shows much help the RD side needed
And while Matheson is playing a touch better, it's mostly due to Hutson being that special on the left side INSTEAD of having Mike there even
Either way
I don't want Matheson as our RD1 even if he isn't KILLING us out there anymore

Anderssen would be the dream honestly, but there are multiple possible options

Sadly tho, this is something best tackled in the offseason at this particular juncture, not TDL

But even if Matheson can't be included in the deal, find a way with our assets to get it done anyway and then just trade Matheson to recup a bit

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Listened to Allan Walsh's latest podcast episode this morning. He is saying the new upper limit of the salary cap this summer will be of 97 m. Some food for thought, we should have plenty of $ available to us. Here's a link to the youtube episode. It's at 39:10 of the video.​

Too bad the Canadian dollar will mean we can't spend to the cap. Yeeeikes. A 60 cent dollar for revenues and an American dollar for expenses is pretty ugly.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Bigtime

But at least it is the primary issue on the docket
Not #3 or #7

It's the #1 thing they should be focusing most of their energy on
(And I'm pretty sure they are)

The good news is we're not asking for Drew Doughty or something
Even just an acquisition like Carrier shows much help the RD side needed
And while Matheson is playing a touch better, it's mostly due to Hutson being that special on the left side INSTEAD of having Mike there even
Either way
I don't want Matheson as our RD1 even if he isn't KILLING us out there anymore

Anderssen would be the dream honestly, but there are multiple possible options

Sadly tho, this is something best tackled in the offseason at this particular juncture, not TDL

But even if Matheson can't be included in the deal, find a way with our assets to get it done anyway and then just trade Matheson to recup a bit

I have to say, Matheson's been very good lately. I guess playing with Hutson means he doesn't have to try so hard. I'm fine with trading him but there's no urgency. The team's playing well, I believe in not fixing something that isn't broken.

 

[Redux91]

I have to say, Matheson's been very good lately. I guess playing with Hutson means he doesn't have to try so hard. I'm fine with trading him but there's no urgency. The team's playing well, I believe in not fixing something that isn't broken.

It's because you unequivocally need someone better on RD ANYway in the long run, even with Matheson 'not playing so bad it hurts us' at the moment

It's not that there's a 'rush' to get rid of him in of itself
It's about the clock ticking on his contract, and there's a HUGE risk his buddy Kent simply re-signs him to above 6M for a guy who will ultimately be in the way of 'all' our LD's, and rely on him to be a RD into his mid 30's?
Ugh, can't happen
Better not happen

And it needs to be addressed THIS offseason.

 

[DAChampion]

I'd argue that Caufield's having a better year. Similar points but tons of goals. I sincerely hope he breaks 50. It's been way, way too long.

I'm not sure, but I feel like this is a long running issue for you, you want Caulfield to get as much or more praise than Suzuki.

And that's a perfectly reasonable take. But I personally think Suzuki is the more valuable player.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The good news is we're not asking for Drew Doughty or something
Even just an acquisition like Carrier shows much help the RD side needed

I disagree. Long term, if we we want to contend, we'll need much better than a Carrier to fill that hole. We can't rely solely on a duo of Hutson and Guhle to shoulder the D. One goes down and we're f***ed. Reinbacher is nowhere near ready nor do we know how he'll end-up, so yeah, I'd aim a lot more for a talent closer to Doughty's calibre. Not his age though. We go for anything less, it should be only a short or mid term placeholder.

 

[Redux91]

I disagree. Long term, if we we want to contend, we'll need much better than a Carrier to fill that hole. We can't rely solely on a duo of Hutson and Guhle to shoulder the D. One goes down and we're f***ed. Reinbacher is nowhere near ready nor do we know how he'll end-up, so yeah, I'd aim a lot more for a talent closer to Doughty's calibre. Not his age though. We go for anything less, it should be only a short or mid term placeholder.

Yeah you're not getting me lol

We need a top4 RD plain and simple, Reinbacher *will* become one eventually but not for 2-3 years
Carrier is here for 2 and a half more years as a much needed RD2

So yes I obviously agree we need BETTER than a Carrier to be RD1
What I said was we don't need a DREW DOUGHTY Norris winning Dman to be the RD1 when just under that can be enough to take us to where we need to go with who we ALSO have emerging in our D corps presently

To get what you're asking for is to draft top5 and grab a D again where as I'm saying target a Trade or UFA and try to bring in a good fit, such as Anderssen or potentially others who may not cost the moon and the sun