The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

What note you give to Kent Hughes' Rebuild? ?

  • A

    Votes: 211 48.4%
  • B

    Votes: 162 37.2%
  • C

    Votes: 46 10.6%
  • D

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • E

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • F

    Votes: 12 2.8%

  • Total voters
    436

Lshap

Hardline Moderate
Jun 6, 2011
28,227
27,516
Montreal
I've been a big argumentative jerk and will take a step back for the time being but what you say is really what rizzles my butt and makes me fire up my keyboard. I see such definitive statements that imply anyone who disagrees is simply wrong or a bad fan. It drives me nuts.

"Dach will go back to being awesome" -> (1) Dach was never Awesome in the NHL and (2) there is no guarantee he will return to any level. We simply don't know so there's nothing wrong with criticising his play and efforts when talking about the team today. (I'm glad he got the monkey off his back, the game is mental and he needs every advantage he can find and take)

"Hage will be awesome", "Demidov will make us forget all about Michkov", etc. -> Self-explanatory. Sometimes the honest optimism crosses over to emperor's new clothes style groupthink imo.

"Barron/Newhook/etc is still young" -> Implying all players improve all the time. Come on, how many times have we been left holding our peckers with prospects and young(ish) players? Why is it scepticism is so disturbing to some?


Between last year and this year, so far, we have not taken a step forward, much less two steps forward. But it's been difficult to accept for some.

This is what a rebuild looks like? Sure but at least admit that we've not taken any steps forward and critical players like Slafkovsky, Reinbacher, Dach, and Guhle are not where we wanted them to be this season. Simple as. It isn't damning them or the rebuild. But I find it so dishonest to claim everything is rosy and peachy when our critical rebuild players have taken a step back or stagnated and we're last in the division, last in the conference, and bottom5 in the league.
For what it's worth, most of us suck at message-board shorthand. What sounds perfectly reasonable in our head comes across as a pissy manifesto to everyone reading it. It's been like that since the dawn of message boards. No reason for you to take a step back from it, unless this place causes you more stress than pleasure. Or unless you find what I haven't – a life.

As far as the rebuild, I agree with most of what you're saying. We've got some exciting prospects, but I'm not falling for the hype that all of 'em will be upgrades on our current roster. I've seen that story too many times – future players always look brighter than present players. Some, like Demidov, may actually be as good as their hype. Most won't.

And yes, some of our current guys are underperforming or, in Reinbacher's case, on pause. Youth isn't an all-purpose excuse, but it is a mitigating factor. It's too early to write off Dach. Slafkovsky is a 20 year-old who has a lot of runway before hitting his prime. Guhle is developing, just needs experience. To be clear, these players were chosen as cornerstone pieces. We don't know how good they'll become, but we should agree on their importance to our future team. Easy to say we can pivot to Plan-B if they don't work out; much harder to actually find a comparable Plan-B.
 
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dcyhabs

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May 30, 2008
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2,695
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For what it's worth, most of us suck at message-board shorthand. What sounds perfectly reasonable in our head comes across as a pissy manifesto to everyone reading it. It's been like that since the dawn of message boards. No reason for you to take a step back from it, unless this place causes you more stress than pleasure. Or unless you find what I haven't – a life.

As far as the rebuild, I agree with most of what you're saying. We've got some exciting prospects, but I'm not falling for the hype that all of 'em will be upgrades on our current roster. I've seen that story too many times – future players always look brighter than present players. Some, like Demidov, may actually be as good as their hype. Most won't.

And yes, some of our current guys are underperforming or, in Reinbacher's case, on pause. Youth isn't an all-purpose excuse, but it is a mitigating factor. It's too early to write off Dach. Slafkovsky is a 20 year-old who has a lot of runway before hitting his prime. Guhle is developing, just needs experience. To be clear, these players were chosen as cornerstone pieces. We don't know how good they'll become, but we should agree on their importance to our future team. Easy to say we can pivot to Plan-B if they don't work out; much harder to actually find a comparable Plan-B.
Expecting every prospect to hit his upside leads to disappointment. The habs need enough prospects to succeed with the quarter or so of them that make it. Rebuilds would be quick if all prospects developed well.
 
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HomaridII

Registered User
May 23, 2006
11,461
7,429
Montreal, Canada
I figure I'd put this here.

Yesterday on the Sick Podcast, McGuire said the consensus in the NHL amongst scouts and GMs is that Fowler is the best goalie prospect since Martin Brodeur.

Thank you again Billy Ryan. Forever.
 

WeThreeKings

Demidov is a HAB
Sep 19, 2006
95,883
107,978
Halifax
I figure I'd put this here.

Yesterday on the Sick Podcast, McGuire said the consensus in the NHL amongst scouts and GMs is that Fowler is the best goalie prospect since Martin Brodeur.

Thank you again Billy Ryan. Forever.

He's not a better prospect than Carey Price, come on.
 

Ozmodiar

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Oct 18, 2017
6,419
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Probably greater probability Laine remains in our top 6 than Hage hits that.

If Dach plays himself out of our top 6...why is it a foregone conclusion he is traded? he doesn't cost much. the only risk is he sees opportunity elsewhere. otherwise why not resign him to play third line?
The thing about Dach’s next contract is that it has to be performance based. No premium for potential.
 

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