The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[417]

To me it make sense to give our young guy's the best environment possible for them to developp properly and what i'm seeing since last season ain't it.

Again it as nothing to do with ''immediate results '' points wise but everything to do with development.

I don't personally think the issue is coaching, but let's say you're right.

Who are the options?

I'm really not interested in recycling Claude Julien or Alain Vigneault.

Bob Hartley no thank you.

What are the options here?

 

[junyab]

How anyone could want to be competing for a first round playoff exit vs nabbing a top 4 pick in this draft is beyond me. I don't want to be a playoff bubbler. When we get back in the playoffs I want to be expecting the conference finals.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

we still lack talent our center depth sucks and still no #1 def we need another top 5 pick and hopefully Calgary's pick ends up in the top 15

I think one last big draft and we're good

 

[Treb]

This is not the Out of Town thread.

 

[Benstheman]

How anyone could want to be competing for a first round playoff exit vs nabbing a top 4 pick in this draft is beyond me. I don't want to be a playoff bubbler. When we get back in the playoffs I want to be expecting the conference finals.

I think it's wishful thinking to be honest. I don't recall seeing many teams going from bottom 5 to conference finalists.

Rebuilding is not a magic process. Even when you think you have all the pieces, they need to progress and every player has his own progression curve.

I agree we still need to draft high this next draft. But what of next season? What are your expectations?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think it's wishful thinking to be honest. I don't recall seeing many teams going from bottom 5 to conference finalists.

Rebuilding is not a magic process. Even when you think you have all the pieces, they need to progress and every player has his own progression curve.

I agree we still need to draft high this next draft. But what of next season? What are your expectations?

Sometimes progress takes longer than you think it will. There's no magic formula.

No matter what though, I expected better from the team this season. Maybe they need a new system or a vet to come in. No way they should be THIS bad.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Sometimes progress takes longer than you think it will. There's no magic formula.

No matter what though, I expected better from the team this season. Maybe they need a new system or a vet to come in. No way they should be THIS bad.

Or maybe many people's perspective were skewed by a team that overachieved last season. Played over the roster's worth and have now came back to their normalcy, or maybe a bit under it. Eagerness for a competitive team made a lot of people overvalue our roster's worth.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Or maybe many people's perspective were skewed by a team that overachieved last season. Played over the roster's worth and have now came back to their normalcy, or maybe a bit under it. Eagerness for a competitive team made a lot of people overvalue our roster's worth.

That's possible.

But I've seen Dach and Newhook play much better hockey than they have. They've been brutal and they aren't terrible hockey players. CC and Suzuki's analytics are way down from where they've been the past few years as well. The team isn't playing well.

It's a green D so that has something to do with it but Hutson is juicing the stats so some of it should level out...

I think we're a better team than we've shown.

 

[teamfirst]

Or maybe many people's perspective were skewed by a team that overachieved last season. Played over the roster's worth and have now came back to their normalcy, or maybe a bit under it. Eagerness for a competitive team made a lot of people overvalue our roster's worth.

Seriously lol

 

[TennisMenace]

I was hoping the Habs would pick up recently waived MAC JONES of the Bruins. Big physical guy who was a #1 draft pick. He could develop, but in the meantime, he gives us another big body to help us keep us balanced. But I’m sure Habs don’t have a clue…they seem clueless this year.

 

[Bouboumaster]

When is teh suck suppose to stop?

 

[dinodebino]

When is teh suck suppose to stop?

Why would it stop? Ask yourself this: why would it stop?

Bad vets + kids that are still puppies in this league = bad team.

 

[Naslund]

we still lack talent our center depth sucks and still no #1 def we need another top 5 pick and hopefully Calgary's pick ends up in the top 15

I think one last big draft and we're good

No. We need much more, unfortunately.

 

[dinodebino]

Look at the elite teams: they are mature, big team. Mature. Not a magic word.

This team is essentially the youngest of the league. I mean, they’re in 2nd place only because Price still counts.

You can’t expect more. Sorry folks.

The next step will be when HuGo start trading the youth for more mature players.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Look at the elite teams: they are mature, big team. Mature. Not a magic word.

This team is essentially the youngest of the league. I mean, they’re in 2nd place only because Price still counts.

You can’t expect more. Sorry folks.

The next step will be when HuGo start trading the youth for more mature players.

Please stop telling other posters what they can think or what they can expect. I was ready since the start of the rebuild for this season to be a lost one likely between 8-12th last. Montreal is competing for bottom 3 again. You having zero expectations doesn't negate other people's real ones.

 

[expy]

If the player can't catch 95% of the passes Hutson makes to them, get rid of them and move onto the next.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Or maybe many people's perspective were skewed by a team that overachieved last season. Played over the roster's worth and have now came back to their normalcy, or maybe a bit under it. Eagerness for a competitive team made a lot of people overvalue our roster's worth.

People do not understand how many errors Montembeault concealed, and the way in which he compromised two prime Tank years, as I said from the start of 2022-2023 season. The prediction that, when we actually wished to be competitive, he would crater has proven correct thus far. He's not the only problem; he's just ceased to plaster over them.

 

[BergevinBurner]

If Dach isn't looking like a 2C by the end of the season, then I hope targetting one via trade or free agency is the #1 priority this summer.

Hage looks good but we shouldn't be betting on a kid that's a few years away to fill a spot he may never be able to fill. In the last 20 years we have drafted 0 number one centers, and arguably 1 2nd line center in Kotkaniemi. We need to fill that hole with a trade or free agent signing.

 

[SnapVirus]

When is teh suck suppose to stop?

26-27. At least 5 years for a rebuild. Usually it takes 7. We are year 3.

 

[WinterLion]

When is teh suck suppose to stop?

2026-27

If Dach isn't looking like a 2C by the end of the season, then I hope targetting one via trade or free agency is the #1 priority this summer.

Hage looks good but we shouldn't be betting on a kid that's a few years away to fill a spot he may never be able to fill. In the last 20 years we have drafted 0 number one centers, and arguably 1 2nd line center in Kotkaniemi. We need to fill that hole with a trade or free agent signing.

If he doesn't look like a 2C by the end of the year we will probably be in a position to draft one in the top 5.

 

[Habby4Life]

26-27. At least 5 years for a rebuild. Usually it takes 7. We are year 3.

The suck should incrementally get better. Yr 3/4 isn’t any better than last, it’s much worse.

 

[BergevinBurner]

2026-27



If he doesn't look like a 2C by the end of the year we will probably be in a position to draft one in the top 5.

Hopefully we just get Hagens/Miss and call it a day. I'd be scared of reaching for a center though if he's not the BPA at our position.

 

[Habby4Life]

They need to add two veteran D in the off season. A vet RD, top 4 guy and a younger version of Savard.

If they go into next season with this D core the results will be the same. The D core is not very good.