The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[SOLR]

Any generational talent incoming in next 3 drafts?

Yep also in 2027 at D.

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[Sorinth]

Any generational talent incoming in next 3 drafts?

I wouldn't pay too much attention to generational tags 3 years from the draft. For example Angelo Esposito and Shane Wright were generational 2-3 years from their draft year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Sorry, it applies here and out of town.

How does it apply here, he has nothing to do with our rebuild.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

How does it apply here, he has nothing to do with our rebuild.

Part of the choices of the rebuild. They could've selected him, but didn't. You don't like it, but it is very much à propos. We're not talking of Bedard, whom we couldn't pick or any other player we couldn't pick.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

How does it apply here, he has nothing to do with our rebuild.

It’s a discussion on the rebuild, past and future. What we’ve done, why we’ve done it, where we’re going…. It’s okay to discuss the picks we did and didn’t make but there are limits. This is not going to become a Michkov bitch-fest.

 

[Tabarouette]

How does it apply here, he has nothing to do with our rebuild.

he has a shit ton to do with our rebuild

the problem is not gonna go away because you don't like to hear about it, strap in for a painful 15-20 years of ignoring it brother

 

[Habby4Life]

Part of the choices of the rebuild. They could've selected him, but didn't. You don't like it, but it is very much à propos. We're not talking of Bedard, whom we couldn't pick or any other player we couldn't pick.

The only way this fades away is if DR becomes a top 2.

 

[WeThreeKings]

OK, so I'll wait 3 years to find some 6th rounder that becomes good and bitch about it in every thread, only to throw it back to the fact we 'could have picked him' during a rebuilding draft.

 

[Anardil]

Let's get one thing straight. The Habs were NEVER going to pick Michkov. There were rumours coming out of Russia several months before the draft about this and most everyone chose to ignore them.

I like most, was disappointed that they did not pick Michkov, but I was expecting it totally. I would say that I was more disappointed that they did not chose Leonard.

Now back to the point of this thread...

I find that there are many similarities to this year's Habs and last season Sens.

Sens: Pierre Dorion states that the rebuild is over, and it is time to compete. The Sens ended up greatly disappointing their fans.

Habs: HuGo state that they expect to "be in the mix" this year. While this statement is not as egregious as Dorion's, both statements have raised expectations to levels that are probably unreachable. What is ironically funny, is that they might 'be in the mix' for another top 5 pick instead.

I never agreed with HuGo's statement, as this team still lacks true elite talent, as well as having insufficient depth to withstand injuries to important players, with their season going down the drain.

Let's remember that this team has not drafted a single 40 goal scorer or a PPG player since 2003. I didn't bother going back further. The team is also handicapped due to the fact that it is about equal to Winnipeg as a desirable destination for UFAs.

They need Demidov to at least reach his potential, and at least one or two more prospects to truly be home runs before we can even hope to truly compete.

This is still only year 3 of the rebuild after all. (Martone will be a wonderful add )

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

OK, so I'll wait 3 years to find some 6th rounder that becomes good and bitch about it in every thread, only to throw it back to the fact we 'could have picked him' during a rebuilding draft.

Don't be purposefully obtuse, as if you don't know that there's a massive difference of importance between a first round pick and a 6th round pick, as much as you also know that a 6th round pick is a project with very little likelyhood of producing a player, which makes it a simple gamble, while a top end first round pick has much more likelyhood of becoming a player, an important one. You know as well as anyone that the scouts and management's job and focus will be far more concentrated at the higher end of the draft, which is where their work also gets the more scrutiny.

 

[Tabarouette]

OK, so I'll wait 3 years to find some 6th rounder that becomes good and bitch about it in every thread, only to throw it back to the fact we 'could have picked him' during a rebuilding draft.

you're being so disingenuous I don't need to waste key presses on it, you already know how dumb that argument is

Let's get one thing straight. The Habs were NEVER going to pick Michkov. There were rumours coming out of Russia several months before the draft about this and most everyone chose to ignore them.

I like most, was disappointed that they did not pick Michkov, but I was expecting it totally. I would say that I was more disappointed that they did not chose Leonard.

Now back to the point of this thread...

I find that there are many similarities to this year's Habs and last season Sens.

Sens: Pierre Dorion states that the rebuild is over, and it is time to compete. The Sens ended up greatly disappointing their fans.

Habs: HuGo state that they expect to "be in the mix" this year. While this statement is not as egregious as Dorion's, both statements have raised expectations to levels that are probably unreachable. What is ironically funny, is that they might 'be in the mix' for another top 5 pick instead.

I never agreed with HuGo's statement, as this team still lacks true elite talent, as well as having insufficient depth to withstand injuries to important players, with their season going down the drain.

Let's remember that this team has not drafted a single 40 goal scorer or a PPG player since 2003. I didn't bother going back further. The team is also handicapped due to the fact that it is about equal to Winnipeg as a desirable destination for UFAs.

They need Demidov to at least reach his potential, and at least one or two more prospects to truly be home runs before we can even hope to truly compete.

This is still only year 3 of the rebuild after all. (Martone will be a wonderful add )

If the rumours are true then come out and say it, otherwise they are just that; rumors

until then, as far as we officially know, we willfully passed on a sure thing to make a bold pick. As a management when you decide to make a bold pick, you live with the pressure and criticism that comes with it, end of story

Note that I specificially targeted the management here, I feel bad for Reinbacher. I don't particularly believe in his play, but the situation is not his fault

 

[themilosh]

Notice the arrival of our shiney new pee wee QB has sent a message to the league.. time to feast on Habs D.. i guarantee there is not one F-line in the NHL that is not salivating when Hutson is on the ice

 

[themilosh]

you're being so disingenuous I don't need to waste key presses on it, you already know how dumb that argument is



If the rumours are true then come out and say it, otherwise they are just that; rumors

until then, as far as we officially know, we willfully passed on a sure thing to make a bold pick. As a management when you decide to make a bold pick, you live with the pressure and criticism that comes with it, end of story

Note that I specificially targeted the management here, I feel bad for Reinbacher. I don't particularly believe in his play, but the situation is not his fault

The "choice" was never btw RB and Mm... it was btw CC and MM (cant have two identical small players).
Neither are worth more than a 1RD...

 

[habdynasty]

Notice the arrival of our shiney new pee wee QB has sent a message to the league.. time to feast on Habs D.. i guarantee there is not one F-line in the NHL that is not salivating when Hutson is on the ice

They salivate more when Savard is in the ice lol.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Don't be purposefully obtuse, as if you don't know that there's a massive difference of importance between a first round pick and a 6th round pick, as much as you also know that a 6th round pick is a project with very little likelyhood of producing a player, which makes it a simple gamble, while a top end first round pick has much more likelyhood of becoming a player, an important one. You know as well as anyone that the scouts and management's job and focus will be far more concentrated at the higher end of the draft, which is where their work also gets the more scrutiny.

Don't need an out of town thread, almost everyone in the league is a player we could have picked/signed/traded for but didn't. So let's pollute every thread with it.

Discuss his ass in the out of town thread so I don't have to see the collective wrist slitting seance. Especially since he'd be getting sewered here if we picked him and he only produced on the PP and was the minus 8 or whatever he is right now. Don't say it's any different because we see it already with Hutson.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Don't need an out of town thread, almost everyone in the league is a player we could have picked/signed/traded for but didn't. So let's pollute every thread with it.

Discuss his ass in the out of town thread so I don't have to see the collective wrist slitting seance. Especially since he'd be getting sewered here if we picked him and he only produced on the PP and was the minus 8 or whatever he is right now. Don't say it's any different because we see it already with Hutson.

The irony of the wrist slitting comment seems to be lost on you. You literally lose it at the very mention of Michkov. Maybe take a rest, touch grass, seek help. You are intolerant and yet instead of facing your own shortcoming, you want to blame everyone for it.

Your whole "every player in the league" is also again disingenuous and completely disregards the importance of that particular pick and how management will be pointingly judged on it.

Hutson is a bad example, as he's appreciated by most and most are aware he's a rookie who will make mistakes. It's the same minority everytime who will do that, yet you again act disingenuously by pretending it's rampant.

Get a grip. Learn to accept other people's opinions whether they are positive or of discontent. You can't be too happy in life if you take this shit so seriously.

 

[Sorinth]

My take on the Michkov talk I can see why some of it should be here since it's valid to debate whether we are too focused on size or character or don't value skill or as a building strategy we should focus on productive forwards at the expense of D and G, or whatever else and then Michkov is used as an example to support that point. But when it's just whining everytime MIchkov gets a point then yeah there's no place for that kind of talk in this thread.

Though I would also point out the name of the threa is "The next step", and Michkov isn't a next step in any way shape or form.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

My take on the Michkov talk I can see why some of it should be here since it's valid to debate whether we are too focused on size or character or don't value skill or as a building strategy we should focus on productive forwards at the expense of D and G, or whatever else and then Michkov is used as an example to support that point. But when it's just whining everytime MIchkov gets a point then yeah there's no place for that kind of talk in this thread.

Though I would also point out the name of the threa is "The next step", and Michkov isn't a next step in any way shape or form.

There will always be a minority of discontent who'll run their mouths off. Someone mature will just ignore them for what they are. We don't need anymore censorship. People should be mature enough to do the censoring for themselves. There's even a function for that.

 

[Tabarouette]

Though I would also point out the name of the threa is "The next step", and Michkov isn't a next step in any way shape or form.

well neither is Reinbacher yet we talk about him all the time

 

[Spring in Fialta]

You gotta appreciate the irony of folks who derailed every thread during the Bergevin era now crying foul about this happening when they don't agree with it.

I don't care about the crying either (and I'm going expecting the debate to look worse on our team the more this goes on) but what are you gonna do.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Team looks lifeless & lost on the ice, defeated in interviews and forwards acquired by Kent are lethargic with 1 or 2 points (Dach Newhook Heineman)

Habs play Philly tomorrow with Michkov sitting over 1ppg.

What does any of this has to do with the state of the rebuild tho? Sorry for going off topic boys.

 

[Sorinth]

There will always be a minority of discontent who'll run their mouths off. Someone mature will just ignore them for what they are. We don't need anymore censorship. People should be mature enough to do the censoring for themselves. There's even a function for that.

It's not censorship to require the posts be relevant to the topic they are posted in.

Which incidentally this post I'm making isn't relevant to the actual thread topic.

 

[ReHabs]

OK, so I'll wait 3 years to find some 6th rounder that becomes good and bitch about it in every thread, only to throw it back to the fact we 'could have picked him' during a rebuilding draft.

Just take the L already.

Accept it was wrong of the Habs to galaxy brain it. Trust me, it’ll feel better.

 

[Sorinth]

Just take the L already.

Accept it was wrong of the Habs to galaxy brain it. Trust me, it’ll feel better.

We don't even know they were wrong and probably won't know for another 5+ years and that's if we would ever know, ie it's still debateable if taking Price or Kopitar would have been the better choice in 05.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I think Dach still needs lots of time to re-adapt after surgery, but I have faith at worst, he's a top 6 winger.
Newhook, is not, imo a top 6 F.
Hage and Demidov look like nice building blocks..
Another high draft pick is necessary.