Also, I’d advise against trading your very young #1 and #2 defensemen that eventually played like 12 more high end years, and your HOF goaltender.
But that’s just common sense, right, RIGHT???
The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step
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But that’s just common sense, right, RIGHT???
Pompeius Magnus
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Jesus H Christ that 1st rounder list
I still have PTSD from some of those to this day.
Anardil
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This my friends is why I always say that Houle got too much blame for the Habs fall from grace. The tail end of Savard's tenure as Habs GM, started the slide. Houle just accelerated the nosedive.
HuGort
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Once he became highly successful in business, Savard fell in love with money. Habs became second fiddle. Because at the start he was great.
Around this time Savard made 20 million on a race horse. His colt won The Little Brown Jug. He was on Montreal radio. Said he'd been around race tracks since hanging out with John Ferguson back in '60s. He knew his Colts. He said horses genes usually come from grand parents as much as parents. He bought the colt for $2,000. Sold breeding rights for 20 million.
I remember there was an article in The Gazette where they quoted Savard saying he that he had never kept a junior-aged player with the team, but he considered it with Brent Bilodeau. That aged well.
Way to premature to grade, what have they accomplished? they tanked poorly affecting their drafting power and chose questionable players and passed on others, outcome TBD. So far hey have replenished some stock. They handed out some lucrative contracts that have to work out. At some point, they have to try to ice a competitive roster which they have not attempted yet. Once they start to try to make the playoffs, can evaluate more accurately. They still have players deemed by this portion of the fan base players that are undesirable and should have been moved. Other teams are able to do so yet Montreal has not done so.
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Dvorak, Armia, Gallagher, and Anderson haven't been a problem because we haven't had anyone ready to replace them but we're quickly approaching a point where these players are blocking prospects. They have said that the future is the priority yet shown that maximizing the return on assets is a priority so I'm curious as to how they handle these players. This is my test of this management.
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I think that's fair, but they've shown a level of competence that makes me confident they'll navigate it effectively.
They also aren't magicians. They have options, like waiving Armia last year, but they're obviously pretty limited in what they can do with those guys.
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You are right, it is way too early. Thats why I kept B, but I have to admit they made so many good decisions. Lot of other teams went through rebuild, but made some significant mistakes in the process:
CHI tanked for Bedard, but that Jones contract is crazy and none of their F prospects is established in NHL
TOR looked promising 7 years ago, but ruined it with those big contracts
OTT has young core, but no prospect pool because they rushed the process
DET also rushed the process by signing stupid UFA contracts
EDM Neal, Campbell and Nurse contracts are huge mistakes, no prospect pool
I do not see that with Habs.
To me, ANA and SJS seem like well started rebuilds, but they are also pretty far.
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Two ways to grade this. Actions vs results. Too early to grade the results? Okay.
But that doesn’t mean we can’t look at the moves and work that’s gone into this rebuild. Our GM has traded vets for picks and prospects, weaponized cap space for more picks, drafted top five or better in three consecutive drafts (nonsense to say they ‘tanked poorly’) and assembled a highly ranked group of young prospects. He’s done everything a rebuilding GM should do.
If we’re going to grade him, it should be based on what we know now - today. It’s absolutely correct to say that we won’t know if this team will have long term success. But right now we have several young players with tremendous upside. And it’s not homerism to say this. We have three or four potential superstars in the lineup/prospect pool. It’s one of the best young pools in the league.
Cc had his career saved by MSL. Broke records in the minors and started off with 48 goals in 82 under MSL. Shoulder injury got in the way but there’s huge potential there.
Slafkovsky has done nothing but improve at a crazy rate. First overall pick and he looks like one.
Hutson broke the NCAA scoring record for blueliners. We got him in a trade and took him in the 2nd round.
Demidov is one of the highest rated prospects outside the NHL.
And there are tons of other great prospects/players we could talk about. Suzuki had a terrific second half and is a solid two way center. Roy won a scoring title in the minors and got off to a great start in the AHL. The D looks packed with good young players from Guhle to RB to Mailloux….
It may be too soon to judge the long term results but it’s not too soon to judge what Hugo have done. They’ve taken a page of of Sam Pollock’s book and used every resource to improve the club. We don’t have to wait to be able to see that. He’s done everything I was hoping a rebuilding GM would do and I’ve said this for eons. Look at the Laine deal. Some posters here wanted us to give up real assets to get him. Instead we got paid a second. That’s how you run a team.
To me he’s a no brainer A+.
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Non Player Canadiens
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can't just stockpile picks and rebuild forever. you have to decide to start competing at some point. i also believe the time is now. the raw talent is there, let them grow, together, in the NHL
damn, tip of the hat sir
montreal
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The rebuild ends when those picks/prospects start improving enough over time. The easy part is getting said picks and prospects, the hard part is what comes after.
LaP
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Still too many bad contracts. The time to start competing will be 2025-2026,can't just stockpile picks and rebuild forever. you have to decide to start competing at some point. i also believe the time is now. the raw talent is there, let them grow, together, in the NHL
damn, tip of the hat sir
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The prospect pool is so good.
And even then, the team is likely adding a top-15 pick next year, maybe two, and possibly three 1st round picks.
And even then, the team is likely adding a top-15 pick next year, maybe two, and possibly three 1st round picks.
Indeed.
They are so well set up to manage the cap over the next 5-7 years... Core players locked up under 8M, bad contracts coming off the books, solid pipeline of ELC/RFA talent to re-tool as some players start pricing themselves out of the roster.
I'm telling you, with just a bit of the luck all cup winners need (to actually get that necessary ring), this rebuild is shaping up to become the gold standard.
Future is bright
I always found it a bit silly to grade on something that is incomplete or unknown, but there are those type of people obviously out there. Much easier to grade with tangible results.
Read what you had to say. Your opinion is shared by others no doubt. As mentioned above, applies on my behalf. But keeping in the theme of the thread, I'll give your presentation a solid C ( too long and questionable terminology )lol, Hooroo.
Savard was always fascinated with "Business" even as a player. Ken Dryden talked about it in his book.
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I'm looking forward to the team being improved and more exciting and spending a lot less time in the draft thread than the past three years.
I hope we don't see a tank thread in 2024/25. But things could get spicy around here if everything goes wrong and the team is way out of it by January.
I hope we don't see a tank thread in 2024/25. But things could get spicy around here if everything goes wrong and the team is way out of it by January.
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montreal
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I moved this, HF does not want any tank talk in the draft thread before a season even starts even if it's just to say you don't want it cause that will just bring posters saying they want it.
the valiant effort
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WeThreeKings
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montreal
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I moved this cause this will just lead to tank talk and they do not want any tank talk especially this early.
The Habs will end up where they end up and not a single person in the world knows where that will be or what will happen between now and June so it's pointless anyway
