The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[HabzSauce]

I wish we would've had a guy avaialble at 5 in 2023 like Clarke for example, a mobile RD that will rack up 60+ pts, but hey that year it was a more like Pietrangelo guy

I would be ecstatic if we got a Petriangelo guy

 

[Andrei79]

The inexperience keeps showing up every game. That's fine as far as I'm concerned as I've waited for a rebuild for decades and can accept losing seasons. However, I hope management has a horizon in mind about when the mistakes will drop down to at least league average. How will they surround the young players as well, seeing their forward additions like Newhook and Laine aren't exactly high end defensive players. This is true on defense with Matheson as well. They need some veteran presence both up front and in the backend.

 

[themilosh]

The inexperience keeps showing up every game. That's fine as far as I'm concerned as I've waited for a rebuild for decades and can accept losing seasons. However, I hope management has a horizon in mind about when the mistakes will drop down to at least league average. How will they surround the young players as well, seeing their forward additions like Newhook and Laine aren't exactly high end defensive players. This is true on defense with Matheson as well. They need some veteran presence both up front and in the backend.

Isn't that what Matheson is supposed to be? What's the point of a Vet, when we have to push a young core player to their off wing to cover for said vet?

 

[Sorinth]

Isn't that what Matheson is supposed to be? What's the point of a Vet, when we have to push a young core player to their off wing to cover for said vet?

You mean Guhle who is currently a PPG D and wasn't even paired with Matheson last game? Like seriously, not only does it seem like playing his offside has been good for Guhle, the guy actually playing with Matheson is Barron who is most definitely not there to cover for Matheson.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Isn't that what Matheson is supposed to be? What's the point of a Vet, when we have to push a young core player to their off wing to cover for said vet?

Guhle has been awesome as an off D, and Guhle has spent almost as much time 5v5 as RD with Hutson as he has with Matheson.

The point of Matheson was to also get a cheaper veteran D than Petry (who wanted out).

 

[ReHabs]

The inexperience keeps showing up every game. That's fine as far as I'm concerned as I've waited for a rebuild for decades and can accept losing seasons. However, I hope management has a horizon in mind about when the mistakes will drop down to at least league average. How will they surround the young players as well, seeing their forward additions like Newhook and Laine aren't exactly high end defensive players. This is true on defense with Matheson as well. They need some veteran presence both up front and in the backend.

Eh

Gather the talent first, hammer out the (relatively easier to accomplish) mistakes next.

While I want to see more serious and mature hockey, I think the rebuild is on track in that regard.

 

[themilosh]

You mean Guhle who is currently a PPG D and wasn't even paired with Matheson last game? Like seriously, not only does it seem like playing his offside has been good for Guhle, the guy actually playing with Matheson is Barron who is most definitely not there to cover for Matheson.

Yet you prove my point.. Guhle is far more productive with Hutson.. Matheson (sans Guhle) wirh Barron on his wing is riddled wirh errors. And even Then Guhle is still on his off wing.

Guhle has been awesome as an off D, and Guhle has spent almost as much time 5v5 as RD with Hutson as he has with Matheson.

The point of Matheson was to also get a cheaper veteran D than Petry (who wanted out).

What exactly is the purpose of a "vet" if said vet utilizes his rookie (off wing) partner to push efficacy? Never works.. throw Barron (lesser talent than Guhle) on the same wing, and the Vet is useless.

 

[Sorinth]

Yet you prove my point.. Guhle is far more productive with Hutson.. Matheson (sans Guhle) wirh Barron on his wing is riddled wirh errors. And even Then Guhle is still on his off wing.


What exactly is the purpose of a "vet" if said vet utilizes his rookie (off wing) partner to push efficacy? Never works.. throw Barron (lesser talent than Guhle) on the same wing, and the Vet is useless.

You said we were playing our young core player to his offside to cover for Matheson and that's not what we've been doing.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yet you prove my point.. Guhle is far more productive with Hutson.. Matheson (sans Guhle) wirh Barron on his wing is riddled wirh errors. And even Then Guhle is still on his off wing.


What exactly is the purpose of a "vet" if said vet utilizes his rookie (off wing) partner to push efficacy? Never works.. throw Barron (lesser talent than Guhle) on the same wing, and the Vet is useless.

What are you actually arguing?

- Guhle isn't a rookie.
- Guhle is playing his off wing when playing with the actual rookie D (Hutson).
- This sample is not close to being large enough to draw the conclusions you are.
- Even if it was, the "purpose" of Matheson is still what it's always been - Eat difficult minutes. At least prior to last nights game he had the toughest D usage on the team and he's got significant PK usage.

 

[themilosh]

You said we were playing our young core player to his offside to cover for Matheson and that's not what we've been doing.

Thats what we did all last year. Now that Guhle has been paired with Hutson, Matheson is exposed almost by the minute.what exactly does he bring? It's time for Hugo to expedite a trade for Matheson.. personally, id like if we could get a top 6F product. We have more than enough LHD

 

[Walksss]

This thread is just page after page after page of the same 5 or so posters either refusing or unable to accept that RD is a position of scarcity.

Whether Reinbacher is the right choice or not is irrelevant to that reality. Teams have to take shots at those types of players with that profile high in the draft because if they hit and become studs they'll never move teams. And if they do you better get your assets and pocketbook ready.

It really isn't a complex concept to understand but our faithful posters find a way to do exactly that.

 

[Sorinth]

Thats what we did all last year. Now that Guhle has been paired with Hutson, Matheson is exposed almost by the minute.what exactly does he bring? It's time for Hugo to expedite a trade for Matheson.. personally, id like if we could get a top 6F product. We have more than enough LHD

Which isn't true, Guhle and Matheson were only a pairing for the second half of the season, during the first half Guhle's partners were Kovacevik and Barron.

And so far this season it's looking like that time spent at RD has helped Guhle so what's the problem?

 

[Andrei79]

Isn't that what Matheson is supposed to be? What's the point of a Vet, when we have to push a young core player to their off wing to cover for said vet?

I won't lie, I'm often not sure what Matheson is. The Petry-Matheson trade was a very good one value wise, however Matheson should be trying to reign in the risk at his age and considering what the team is trying to do this year. MSL mentions that he wants to let his players think, but it always seemed to be in the context of offense. I don't think he's referring to Matheson cutting through the middle in his own zone and giving away the slot completely. That's not really a low IQ play, it's a player knowing better but still taking the risk.

This thread is just page after page after page of the same 5 or so posters either refusing or unable to accept that RD is a position of scarcity.

Whether Reinbacher is the right choice or not is irrelevant to that reality. Teams have to take shots at those types of players with that profile high in the draft because if they hit and become studs they'll never move teams. And if they do you better get your assets and pocketbook ready.

It really isn't a complex concept to understand but our faithful posters find a way to do exactly that.

A player of Reinbacher's profile would fit this team perfectly right now...

 

[tazsub3]

This thread is just page after page after page of the same 5 or so posters either refusing or unable to accept that RD is a position of scarcity.

Whether Reinbacher is the right choice or not is irrelevant to that reality. Teams have to take shots at those types of players with that profile high in the draft because if they hit and become studs they'll never move teams. And if they do you better get your assets and pocketbook ready.

It really isn't a complex concept to understand but our faithful posters find a way to do exactly that.

But for the 5 or so that fail to see it , the silent majority more then sees it , they just can’t be bothered to have a discussion though

 

[themilosh]

Which isn't true, Guhle and Matheson were only a pairing for the second half of the season, during the first half Guhle's partners were Kovacevik and Barron.

And so far this season it's looking like that time spent at RD has helped Guhle so what's the problem?

Forcing your stud LHD to play on the right side limits his true potential.. it's not like frwds playing on their off-wing.

I won't lie, I'm often not sure what Matheson is. The Petry-Matheson trade was a very good one value wise, however Matheson should be trying to reign in the risk at his age and considering what the team is trying to do this year. MSL mentions that he wants to let his players think, but it always seemed to be in the context of offense. I don't think he's referring to Matheson cutting through the middle in his own zone and giving away the slot completely. That's not really a low IQ play, it's a player knowing better but still taking the risk.


A player of Reinbacher's profile would fit this team perfectly right now...

Rein should be ready next year to join the Ch along with Demidov.

 

[The Great Weal]

Rein should be ready next year to join the Ch along with Demidov.

The guy is missing pretty much the entire season this year so not sure why he'd be NHL-ready barring a miracle.

 

[JianYang]

Reinbacher is cooked until further notice. If he makes it, it’ll be a bonus. You can’t expect to rely on a player who has missed significant time in his most important development years.

No blame, no fault — these things happen.

We need to hold onto Mailloux and hope for the best for him and Reinbacher.

Cooked until further notice?

So he can be uncooked? I wish that were true for the times I have forgotten about leaving things on the stove.

 

[rve24]

Thats what we did all last year. Now that Guhle has been paired with Hutson, Matheson is exposed almost by the minute.what exactly does he bring? It's time for Hugo to expedite a trade for Matheson.. personally, id like if we could get a top 6F product. We have more than enough LHD

So you say he sucks, and you think someone will give you a top 6 F for him? Maybe I missed something but I don't get the logic.

 

[Habs]

The guy is missing pretty much the entire season this year so not sure why he'd be NHL-ready barring a miracle.

I got roasted for this comment. He's hasn't played that much the last two years, and this one is a complete write off. Unless you are the second coming of Hedman, You are years away from being a capable RHD on THIS TEAM for sure. So instead of 2 years into his progression, we are 2 years behind., and we still don't know what he's going to deliver. Could be great, he could suck, so we start the search all over again?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I wish we would've had a guy avaialble at 5 in 2023 like Clarke for example, a mobile RD that will rack up 60+ pts, but hey that year it was a more like Pietrangelo guy

True but I doubt Clarke ever does that.

 

[ReHabs]

Cooked until further notice?

So he can be uncooked? I wish that were true for the times I have forgotten about leaving things on the stove.

Of course he can be uncooked. Unlike a piece of burnt meat, the human body has the ability to repair itself. Whether his career trajectory remains unchanged is another question.

 

[Ieatsht4brkfst]

119 games in 4-5 years lol , this pick gonna push us a couple years back in the rebuild, I honestly dont think he is going to be as impactful as some think

 

[_vivelequebec_]

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119 games in 4-5 years lol

More like 136 (149 if you include WJC and WC) in 3 seasons, for a 19 year old.

 

[Ieatsht4brkfst]

More like 136 (149 if you include WJC and WC) in 3 seasons, for a 19 year old.

hes out for the year, 21-25, 4-5 years

 

[Ieatsht4brkfst]

More like 136 (149 if you include WJC and WC) in 3 seasons, for a 19 year old.

for perspective mailloux has played 143 in the same time period and will include this year, this is for a guy most thought missed a lot of hockey