The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[Deus ex machina]

I think we'll improve regardless.

It's one thing to be bummed about an injury. It's another thing to be hysterical about it and say we have no talent anywhere. Posts like that are just dumb.

I don't know the other posts you're refering to. I was just adressing the points you've made.

They better improve, otherwise there's a big problem.
But the question is, by how much will they.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yes he was just there for the 2 years remaining of his contract for me. I don’t think he is the style of player they want to build the team around and if he was becoming the 40 G and + he was supposed to be, he would probably test the market to get the most money he could get

Yeah, I never saw it as a long term play.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don't know the other posts you're refering to. I was just adressing the points you've made.

I was referring to the hysterics in this thread. Not from you.

They better improve, otherwise there's a big problem.
But the question is, by how much will they.

I don’t share your sense of urgency for this year. Progression isn’t linear. It’s a series of one step foreword one step back - two steps foreword, one back - three steps forward one back etc… every now and then you take one step forward and three back. That’s just how it goes.

I fully expect us to improve this year. We’ve got more players coming into the lineup and should be healthier. But I know our D is green. Our goaltending isn’t established. A lot could go wrong and some of it will. I don’t expect the playoffs with or without Laine.

But there’s every reason to think that with Hutson, Dach and Roy joining the lineup that we’ll be able to score better and I think CC will have a better year. I think the offense goes up. Where I think we’ll struggle is on D. And Laine wasn’t going to help with that anyway.

There’s so much talent on the way. If we don’t do well this year it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[dinodebino]

Did you forget "pas" in your sentence?

Actually, thanks for bringing this up, but no. The original saying is: avec des si, on mettrait Paris en bouteille. But on this side of the ocean, we prefer saying Avec des si, on va à Paris.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Our injury issues are definitely a major concern going forward.
Going off of daily faceoffs line combinations, our group was going to look something along these lines.
The red names are players that have missed 25+ games to injury in either of the last two season.

In green we have Suzuki who's miraculously stayed healthy this long. Roy and Hutson who haven't play long enough to really miss 25+ games, even though Roy missed the last 14 games injured last season. Anderson who has a long track record of injury but has somewhat stabilized the last few years. And Savard who's missed 22-20-20 the last 3 years.

Slafkovsky	Suzuki	Caufield
Newhook	Dach	Laine
Roy	Dvorak	Anderson
Gallagher	Evans	Armia

Matheson	Guhle
Hutson	Savard
Xhekaj	Barron

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Our injury issues are definitely a major concern going forward.
Going off of daily faceoffs line combinations, our group was going to look something along these lines.
The red names are players that have missed 25+ games to injury in either of the last two season.

In green we have Suzuki who's miraculously stayed healthy this long. Roy and Hutson who haven't play long enough to really miss 25+ games, even though Roy missed the last 14 games injured last season. Anderson who has a long track record of injury but has somewhat stabilized the last few years. And Savard who's missed 22-20-20 the last 3 years.

Slafkovsky	Suzuki	Caufield
Newhook	Dach	Laine
Roy	Dvorak	Anderson
Gallagher	Evans	Armia

Matheson	Guhle
Hutson	Savard
Xhekaj	Barron

That’s pretty crazy

 

[Sorinth]

Our injury issues are definitely a major concern going forward.
Going off of daily faceoffs line combinations, our group was going to look something along these lines.
The red names are players that have missed 25+ games to injury in either of the last two season.

In green we have Suzuki who's miraculously stayed healthy this long. Roy and Hutson who haven't play long enough to really miss 25+ games, even though Roy missed the last 14 games injured last season. Anderson who has a long track record of injury but has somewhat stabilized the last few years. And Savard who's missed 22-20-20 the last 3 years.

Slafkovsky	Suzuki	Caufield
Newhook	Dach	Laine
Roy	Dvorak	Anderson
Gallagher	Evans	Armia

Matheson	Guhle
Hutson	Savard
Xhekaj	Barron

We'd have to see how other teams stack up to be able to draw any meaningful conlusions, and even then feels like we are painting with too broad a brush. Matheson has missed 25+ games once in his eight year career, can we really tag him with the injury prone red label because the one time in 8 years he missed signficant time was 2 years ago? In Caufield's career he's spent a little less then 20% of it injured, which over 82 games is equivalent to 66 games played a year, well under the 25+ game threshold. Newhook is at 15% injured time as an NHLer, and that's assuming he was never a healthy scratch as a rookie, if he was it's even less time being injured.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We'd have to see how other teams stack up to be able to draw any meaningful conlusions, and even then feels like we are painting with too broad a brush. Matheson has missed 25+ games once in his eight year career, can we really tag him with the injury prone red label because the one time in 8 years he missed signficant time was 2 years ago? In Caufield's career he's spent a little less then 20% of it injured, which over 82 games is equivalent to 66 games played a year, well under the 25+ game threshold. Newhook is at 15% injured time as an NHLer, and that's assuming he was never a healthy scratch as a rookie, if he was it's even less time being injured.

I don’t think it means all those players are injury prone, it just shows that we’ve missed a lot of time. It’s been pretty crazy. I can’t believe Laine didn’t even make it to the season. It’s like Dach all over again.

 

[BergevinBurner]

We'd have to see how other teams stack up to be able to draw any meaningful conlusions, and even then feels like we are painting with too broad a brush. Matheson has missed 25+ games once in his eight year career, can we really tag him with the injury prone red label because the one time in 8 years he missed signficant time was 2 years ago? In Caufield's career he's spent a little less then 20% of it injured, which over 82 games is equivalent to 66 games played a year, well under the 25+ game threshold. Newhook is at 15% injured time as an NHLer, and that's assuming he was never a healthy scratch as a rookie, if he was it's even less time being injured.

A quick look through the Leafs roster looks like they'd have 5/18 red names compared to our 12/18.

The big difference comes in the top 6 and top pair though. Our top 6 and top defense pair are 7/8, whereas the Leafs are 0/8 with their top guys.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Our injury issues are definitely a major concern going forward.
Going off of daily faceoffs line combinations, our group was going to look something along these lines.
The red names are players that have missed 25+ games to injury in either of the last two season.

In green we have Suzuki who's miraculously stayed healthy this long. Roy and Hutson who haven't play long enough to really miss 25+ games, even though Roy missed the last 14 games injured last season. Anderson who has a long track record of injury but has somewhat stabilized the last few years. And Savard who's missed 22-20-20 the last 3 years.

Slafkovsky	Suzuki	Caufield
Newhook	Dach	Laine
Roy	Dvorak	Anderson
Gallagher	Evans	Armia

Matheson	Guhle
Hutson	Savard
Xhekaj	Barron

Fwd group is too soft. Opponents have no problem running our core players because there's hardly any retaliation risk.