Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

Nah, they didn't deserve to lose after tieing it despite the refs being shit all game giving the kings a 7-2 penalty diffential including two 5 on 3's. Skinner was the main catalyst for the loss. Can he be better is such a pitiful question since nobody ever knows due to Skinner being the definition of Jekyll and Hyde.
as far as im concerned the game is 60 minutes, not 12. They wouldn't need to have played as panicked and desperate as they did in the 3rd if they simply showed up on time. being tired is exactly what lead to GWG.
 
Again, we (as in McDavid) found a way to invalidate all of that...and then what? The same story we've seen far too many times over the last three playoffs happened...
and it was his mistake that lead to the GWG because he was too gassed and out for a shift when it should have been on the bench. Flat out. his 4 points doesnt invalidate anything. Its a team game. It shows 2 things though, McDavid is back and the Kings arent the defensive juggernaught everyone thinks they are. Game 2 will be interesting if the Oilers play their game.
 
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Again, we (as in McDavid) found a way to invalidate all of that...and then what? The same story we've seen far too many times over the last three playoffs happened...

Yep, team comes out flat footed, sparks a comeback, and the game gets skewered due to Skinner being a sieve in net. Rinse and repeat. There's no trust for this fat f*** in net. Makes more sense why Draisaitl glared at him after the loss to Florida in their barn months ago. Imagine being McDavid going supernova the way he did and sees how Skinner gets scored on from a knucklepuck. No wonder why McDavid had a 'for real?' motion with his hand after the goal went in.
 
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The winning goal! Watch the replay. Do people actually think Skinner can see that puck, knuckle or otherwise. I see nothing but Foegele in his windshield and Bouch playing his bodyguard. Danault shots an off-speed thru the screen from the slot and no forward appears in the picture til after the red light. 100% on Skinner! Wow!
I hope they’ve don’t start Skinner next game. Maybe when they leave Pic on an island for a goal he can walk down the bench suggesting his mates get their head outta their ass!
Somehow you failed to see Skinner in the crouch, head about 3feet off the ice being one of the main reasons he can't see anything. There was no reason for him to be in that set, there were no other players at net, there was Foegele getting out of the way of a shot which should signal whats going on. If Skinner wants to see something on a routine play that was not dangerous than he should stay on his feet once in awhile and/or make an effort to look around screen like any normal goalie would.

Skinner is very tall, he has a size advantage over almost everybody. Straight up on his feet he see's over the players. He rarely if ever uses this height advantage effectively.
 
You simply cannot take shifts off this time of year. Or in the case of last night, 2/3 of the game. The big boys will devour you whole.

6 shots halfway through the game is unacceptable, period.

So is letting in a backbreaking goal after the team improbably tied it up. Every shot on net comes from a mistake, but at the end of the day, we needed a stop on a shot that was hardly unstoppable and we didn't get that, which is almost something we've come to expect. Regardless, this team needs better coaching, a better Bouchard, a better 6th D-Man than Brown, and definitely a better goalie, to even have a prayer against the Avs.
 
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as far as im concerned the game is 60 minutes, not 12. They wouldn't need to have played as panicked and desperate as they did in the 3rd if they simply showed up on time. being tired is exactly what lead to GWG.

Of course, but it isn't always the case. Teams can't always play a full 60 minutes. That's why its nice and luxurious to have a goalie that can still lock and hold the fort down. I look at Sorokin as an example. Islanders were a pile of meh this season, and Sorokin still held the fort down on multiple occasions despite having to play 61 games this year.

Same can't ever be said for Skinner because nobody knows if he's gonna put up a strong game or leak more goals swiss cheese style. He's Mr inconsistency, literally.
 
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and it was his mistake that lead to the GWG because he was too gassed and out for a shift when it should have been on the bench. Flat out. his 4 points doesnt invalidate anything. Its a team game. It shows 2 things though, McDavid is back and the Kings arent the defensive juggernaught everyone thinks they are. Game 2 will be interesting if the Oilers play their game.

Yes, a perfectly stoppable shot getting by our goalie is on McDavid. You just showed that you aren't a fan of this team no matter what you say.
 
Nah, they didn't deserve to lose after tieing it despite the refs being shit all game giving the kings a 7-2 penalty diffential including two 5 on 3's. Skinner was the main catalyst for the loss. Can he be better is such a pitiful question since nobody ever knows due to Skinner being the definition of Jekyll and Hyde.
You deserve to lose when you only play for one period. What precisely was stopping them from playing hard from puck drop? Did Skinner use psychic waves to make the team play bad?
 
So is letting in a backbreaking goal after the team improbably tied it up. Every shot on net comes from a mistake, but at the end of the day, we needed a stop on a shot that was hardly unstoppable and we didn't get that, which is almost something we've come to expect. Regardless, this team needs better coaching, a better Bouchard, a better 6th D-Man than Brown, and a better goalie to even have a prayer against the Avs.
You can avoid the back breaking goals by not going down by four to begin with. There wasn’t a single excuse for them to come out so flat in a playoff game.

Six shots!!!!
 
Nah, they didn't deserve to lose after tieing it despite the refs being shit all game giving the kings a 7-2 penalty diffential including two 5 on 3's. Skinner was the main catalyst for the loss. Can he be better is such a pitiful question since nobody ever knows due to Skinner being the definition of Jekyll and Hyde.
Hey shushup, the Oilers deserve to lose that game because they didn't score a TD. Lazy bastids should be piling more goals, Stewed Skinner can't stop everything.

The board sometimes. The Kings are a team that can play decent structure. They threw tons of energy into this game first two periods and were running themselves ragged outworkng on pucks and coverage. I spotted that in real time and that they would be tired by third period. Indeed they were, the Kings were absolutely gassed in third. Its a credit to that team they can play two periods as solid as they do but the moment we pressed McD the kings were running on fumes and couldn't contain.
 
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Lowetide wrote a terrible piece for The Athletic about a month and a half ago defending Skinner where his argument was essentially, "if you take away all of his bad starts, his 5 on 5 save percentage is actually pretty good". And he completely ignored any other metrics for evaluating goaltending besides 5 on 5 save percentage.

Sounds like LoweTide

“If you take away all of the bad stuff, player is actually good”

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You deserve to lose when you only play for one period. What precisely was stopping them from playing hard from puck drop? Did Skinner use psychic waves to make the team play bad?

Thing is, Keith, no teams ever can play a full 60 minute. Granted its their fault for playing asleep for 2 whole periods until Draisaitl scored with seconds left in the 2nd. But you'd still want your goalie to lock it down. Skinner can't do any of that. His inability to move laterally post to post, his inability to read a play especially off the rush, and him flopping on the ice starfishing and butterflying has killed this team way too much this season.

And don't think that there's been numerous occasions this season where this team gets going offensively, and then the energy from the bench or Rogers Place gets zapped out dry after Stuart lets in a weak goal that sinks the game into a loss.
 
Hey shushup, the Oilers deserve to lose that game because they didn't score a TD. Lazy bastids should be piling more goals, Stewed Skinner can't stop everything.

The board sometimes. The Kings are a team that can play decent structure. They threw tons of energy into this game first two periods and were running themselves ragged outworkng on pucks and coverage. I spotted that in real time and that they would be tired by third period. Indeed they were, the Kings were absolutely gassed in third. Its a credit to that team they can play two periods as solid as they do but the moment we pressed McD the kings were running on fumes and couldn't contain.
Playing for one period out of three sounds like a solid recipe to win a Stanley Cup.
 
Hate to break to you all....but Skinner will be given another chance tmrw...and I hate everything about it.
 
Somehow you failed to see Skinner in the crouch, head about 3feet off the ice being one of the main reasons he can't see anything. There was no reason for him to be in that set, there were no other players at net, there was Foegele getting out of the way of a shot which should signal whats going on. If Skinner wants to see something on a routine play that was not dangerous than he should stay on his feet once in awhile and/or make an effort to look around screen like any normal goalie would.

Skinner is very tall, he has a size advantage over almost everybody. Straight up on his feet he see's over the players. He rarely if ever uses this height advantage effectively.

It's worse than that though dude. He spends no energy at all trying to look around screens. The second there's a screen he drops to his f***ing knees and tries to get big in the hopes that it hits him.

Watching great goalies, they are always battling and leaning side to side trying to get a better look at the puck/play. Watch Vasi, Bob, or Shesterkin, and they work as hard to track the puck as they do trying to stop it.
 
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You can avoid the back breaking goals by not going down by four to begin with. There wasn’t a single excuse for them to come out so flat in a playoff game.

Multiple players returning at once, leading to entirely new line combos, seems like somewhat of a valid explanation for a poor offensive start. I'm also anything but confident in Knob's decision-making, especially after choosing to dress Josh Brown and the strategy he employed after McDavid tied things up...
 
Yes, a perfectly stoppable shot getting by our goalie is on McDavid. You just showed that you aren't a fan of this team no matter what you say.
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Because the root cause of the GWG is easily identified and easily stoped im not a fan?

My guy I live in Ottawa and been a fan of the Oilers since 1999. I wore my Oilers jerseys to school every game day in highschool. I have a collection of 75 game worn oilers jerseys. Im not a fan?

Who the f*** are you? what makes you a fan? pissing on the team every night and saying everything sucks? is that what makes you fan? This place is such an echo chamber of hate.
 
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Hey shushup, the Oilers deserve to lose that game because they didn't score a TD. Lazy bastids should be piling more goals, Stewed Skinner can't stop everything.

The board sometimes. The Kings are a team that can play decent structure. They threw tons of energy into this game first two periods and were running themselves ragged outworkng on pucks and coverage. I spotted that in real time and that they would be tired by third period. Indeed they were, the Kings were absolutely gassed in third. Its a credit to that team they can play two periods as solid as they do but the moment we pressed McD the kings were running on fumes and couldn't contain.
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If the series keeps up like this in regards to TOI for specific king players, then I fully agree. By period 3, the kings had barely any energy while the Oilers especially McDavid went out swinging. Only lost due to Skinner letting in a pathetic knucklepuck GWG.
 
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Thing is, Keith, no teams ever can play a full 60 minute. Granted its their fault for playing asleep for 2 whole periods until Draisaitl scored with seconds left in the 2nd. But you'd still want your goalie to lock it down. Skinner can't do any of that. His inability to move laterally post to post, his inability to read a play especially off the rush, and him flopping on the ice starfishing and butterflying has killed this team way too much this season.

And don't think that there's been numerous occasions this season where this team gets going offensively, and then the energy from the bench or Rogers Place gets zapped out dry after Stuart lets in a weak goal that sinks the game into a loss.
Forget 60 minutes, let’s start with 30 and go from there. They were a dead fish for two full periods. A completely lifeless effort from almost every skater. It was embarrassing.
Multiple players returning at once, leading to entirely new line combos, seems like somewhat of a valid explanation for a poor offensive start. I'm also anything but confident in Knob's decision-making, especially after choosing to dress Josh Brown and the strategy he employed after McDavid tied things up...
the healthy players were the ones that seemed to be playing hurt. Or scared. Might need to conduct a seance to find half the forwards. Do these players need to be told that there’s a Stanley Cup to be won?
 
Multiple players returning at once, leading to entirely new line combos, seems like somewhat of a valid explanation for a poor offensive start. I'm also anything but confident in Knob's decision-making, especially after choosing to dress Josh Brown and the strategy he employed after McDavid tied things up...
Knoblauch can get f***ed if he dresses J Brown to play tomorrow over Dineen assuming Stecher isn't ready to go.
 
Playing for one period out of three sounds like a solid recipe to win a Stanley Cup.
But it isn't the case. The Kings had last change in the game being at home and were managing containment the first 35mins. A Kings team that happens to be pretty good at suppression. They had some luck on the way to that, and they expended too much energy doing it. The Kings were throwing themselves at the game first 40mins to a degree they ran out of gas. If you look in the thread I even said Kings would be tired in the third, and you could already see it at end of 2nd period. McD shaking coverage like nobodies business.

Its like a boxer winning early rounds because they're all in dialing up all their energy in those rounds, only to be knocked out in later rounds.

This was an Oilers W were it not for Stu Skinner in net.
 
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Because the root cause of the GWG is easily identified and easily stoped im not a fan?

My guy I live in Ottawa and been a fan of the Oilers since 1999. I wore my Oilers jerseys to school every game day in highschool. I have a collection of 75 game worn oilers jerseys. Im not a fan?

Who the f*** are you? what makes you a fan? pissing on the team every night and saying everything sucks? is that what makes you fan? This place is such an echo chamber of hate.

You are literally blaming our best player after one of the best single-period performances of his playoff career, for us losing the game, and you're saying I'M too negative? Unbelievable.
 
Then idk why nobody else on the D has as much points as Bouchard then since he gets his points inflated with McDrai. Clearly the best players would be placed with the best players to produce, don't you think? Might as well say f*** Letang for getting to play with Crosby and Malkin, f*** Makar for playing with MacKinnon, and f*** Carlson for getting to play with Ovechkin.

Let me know when MA Bergeron set an nhl record for assists/points by a d man in the playoffs like Bouchard.
Yah offensively Bouch is a threat. But it doesn't excuse horrendous defensive play. Obviously Bouch is better than MAB. His play is a liability though, he needs to think the game better. If not the Oilers will continue to bleed goals especially with Stu in net.
 
come on man, 6 shots in half the game and 10 going into the 3rd period. Thats not just not firing on all cylinders, thats putrid not deserving of the playoffs play.
LA put a whopping 17 shots up after 40 mins. With expected goals 1-1

Expected goals were 0.6 LA 0.5 Edmonton. 30 mins into the game so it’s not like either team was doing much offensively. Doesn’t count not my fault Skinner was in the net in one end.
 
Forget 60 minutes, let’s start with 30 and go from there. They were a dead fish for two full periods. A completely lifeless effort from almost every skater. It was embarrassing.

the healthy players were the ones that seemed to be playing hurt. Or scared. Might need to conduct a seance to find half the forwards.

Idk Keith, Knob's random line shuffling wasn't needed. J Skinner, McDavid, and Brown fared pretty well together, and then Knob decided to go full out Woodcroft by changing up the lines when there was no need to. To this day, I still have no idea who are McDrai's actual wingers and when panic ensues, McDrai gets loaded up as the 1st priority option.
 

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