The San Jose Sharks are horror-bad

[OrrNumber4]

Yeah, watching the games the Flames played against them I'd say Chicago is a lot farther away than San Jose is. Chicago is a complete joke of a team, horrible effort on most nights I've watched them, almost no talent outside of Bedard whereas San Jose actually looked somewhat competent, they're just young and need some solid vets and some quality d-men.

Time will tell, but to me it looks like Grier has done a very good job re-building this team so far.

I think that the teams are close. Chicago has the foundation of their core in Bedard and Levshunov. The Sharks have Celebrini and Askarov. Both teams have a lot of prospects, and who knows who will hit and who will dud?

 

[StreetHawk]

I think that the teams are close. Chicago has the foundation of their core in Bedard and Levshunov. The Sharks have Celebrini and Askarov. Both teams have a lot of prospects, and who knows who will hit and who will dud?

Close to what exactly? Making the PO? Canucks are holding onto WC2 at a 97 point pace. That’s 41 more than the 56 the hawks are on and 37 more than the sharks are on. This is one of the higher paces but still, most seasons it will take like 93-95 to make it.

They will need to make some moves or have guys hit earlier to make up that kind of ground by 27 or 28 Playoffs.

 

[weastern bias]

Close to what exactly? Making the PO? Canucks are holding onto WC2 at a 97 point pace. That’s 41 more than the 56 the hawks are on and 37 more than the sharks are on. This is one of the higher paces but still, most seasons it will take like 93-95 to make it.

They will need to make some moves or have guys hit earlier to make up that kind of ground by 27 or 28 Playoffs.

The poster clearly meant the two teams (SJS and CHI) are close to one another in their rebuild process, not to playoff contention

 

[Jargon]

The poster clearly meant the two teams (SJS and CHI) are close to one another in their rebuild process, not to playoff contention

I think he meant close to the Cup?!

Also, can this thread be renamed as the Sharks are Regular-Bad?

 

[OrrNumber4]

What @weastern bias said...

 

[rahad]

The poster clearly meant the two teams (SJS and CHI) are close to one another in their rebuild process, not to playoff contention

San Jose and Chicago are not close in their rebuild lol. I take the Sharks rebuild 10/10 over Chicago. San Jose is going to be a powerhouse in 3-4 years.

 

[Schennanigans]

SJ definitely ahead of Chicago in the rebuild. But both will be bad for another 4-5 years.

 

[matt trick]

SJ definitely ahead of Chicago in the rebuild. But both will be bad for another 4-5 years.

Define bad? Like not a contender (top 10 team type)? Bad moves can be made, but I’d be pretty surprised if SJ isn’t in the playoffs in 4 years.

Bottom 5-10 next year, likely outside the playoffs in 26-27, and then somewhere between 6-10 the following year (probably based on shootout record). As long as we can get a guy like Schaefer, Verhoeff, or Dupont over the next three drafts (or trade for a legit top pairing guy) I think we’ll be in the playoffs in four years. Three if we’re lucky. We have tons of cap space and only Eklund, Zetterlund, and maybe Walman who will be on big/long contracts when Celebrini, Smith, and Askarov are ready for big contracts.

 

[weastern bias]

San Jose and Chicago are not close in their rebuild lol. I take the Sharks rebuild 10/10 over Chicago. San Jose is going to be a powerhouse in 3-4 years.

They're quite close

I'm a Sharks fan, I understand the optimism around the team, but despite having aquired some truly outstanding young players they simply don't have anything that resembles an NHL caliber defense and they don't have the prospects to make someone think that's on the way any time soon, they have a lot of work to do on the back end before anyone should assume they're going to become truly competitive

Celebrini and Askarov are revelatory, but they still need a real top pairing D man before they even have the skeleton of a good team

 

[rahad]

They're quite close

I'm a Sharks fan, I understand the optimism around the team, but despite having aquired some truly outstanding young players they simply don't have anything that resembles an NHL caliber defense and they don't have the prospects to make someone think that's on the way any time soon, they have a lot of work to do on the back end before anyone should assume they're going to become truly competitive

Celebrini and Askarov are revelatory, but they still need a real top pairing D man before they even have the skeleton of a good team

Is normal for the Sharks to be bad. They traded every good player to finish last. This is why the rebuild will take another 2 years to finish. San Jose found a elite prospext in every single position. #1-2 center with Celebrini-Smith. #1-2 Winger with Eklund-Musty(maybe). #1-2 D: Dickinson and #1 goalie with Askarov. They are also build like a playoff team. I don't see many small player. The Sharks biggest weakness is defense. They will focus on it in the next draft or sign UFa/trade.

Honestly, San Jose has the best rebuild as of now.

 

[Barrie22]

Is normal for the Sharks to be bad. They traded every good player to finish last. This is why the rebuild will take another 2 years to finish. San Jose found a elite prospext in every single position. #1-2 center with Celebrini-Smith. #1-2 Winger with Eklund-Musty(maybe). #1-2 D: Dickinson and #1 goalie with Askarov. They are also build like a playoff team. I don't see many small player. The Sharks biggest weakness is defense. They will focus on it in the next draft or sign UFa/trade.

Honestly, San Jose has the best rebuild as of now.

Every player outside of 3 for the future core as of today is 6'0 or under. The only 3 players that might have a future with the team by the time they contend again is Thrun, graf, and muk.

 

[weastern bias]

Is normal for the Sharks to be bad. They traded every good player to finish last. This is why the rebuild will take another 2 years to finish. San Jose found a elite prospext in every single position. #1-2 center with Celebrini-Smith. #1-2 Winger with Eklund-Musty(maybe). #1-2 D: Dickinson and #1 goalie with Askarov. They are also build like a playoff team. I don't see many small player. The Sharks biggest weakness is defense. They will focus on it in the next draft or sign UFa/trade.

Honestly, San Jose has the best rebuild as of now.

Half of those prospects will not realize their potential, you can't bank on every single draft pick hitting, that's a recipe for disappointment

Celebrini is the only sure thing in the whole organization, it's entirely possible that Askarov tops out as a good-but-not-great starter, Dickinson becomes a second pairing D, Smith never becomes an NHL centerman and Eklund maxes out as a 2nd liner, that's not a recipe for a contender

Honestly, as long as they pick top-4 this year it's quite likely their 2nd best prospect isn't even in the organization yet

All this to say, future success is not guaranteed, they're just as likely to become the Sabres as they are to become the Avalanche

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

In 2 3 years time. Ducks and sharks are gonna battle in the playoffs

 

[StreetHawk]

Define bad? Like not a contender (top 10 team type)? Bad moves can be made, but I’d be pretty surprised if SJ isn’t in the playoffs in 4 years.

Bottom 5-10 next year, likely outside the playoffs in 26-27, and then somewhere between 6-10 the following year (probably based on shootout record). As long as we can get a guy like Schaefer, Verhoeff, or Dupont over the next three drafts (or trade for a legit top pairing guy) I think we’ll be in the playoffs in four years. Three if we’re lucky. We have tons of cap space and only Eklund, Zetterlund, and maybe Walman who will be on big/long contracts when Celebrini, Smith, and Askarov are ready for big contracts.

That's kind of the biggest question. What are their goals/targets over the next 2-3 seasons.
Are they planning on starting the next 2 seasons as being bottom 3 bad to be in the McKenna and Dupont draft lottery sweepstakes? Bottom 3 are the only clubs that have double digit odds to get the top pick.

Last season, Montreal was at about 76 points for 5th worst. But like 5/6 points away from the group that was like 7th-11th worst. Trending to be about that this season too. NYI trending to get 74 points for 5th worst currently. Biggest group of teams will land in the high 70's to low 80's for that group at like 6/7th worst to like 11th worst.

Don't see any moves they can make to make the 26 PO. Even 27 is probably a stretch. But, they should be targeting to get into the 70's in terms of point totals for 26. Wherever that lands them in the standings, so be it. The following year, if they can get into the 80's for 27 is a good step forward. 28 or 29 are probably the most realistic years where they should be targeting making the PO. SJ last PO appearance was 2019. Chicago was in 2020 in that Play-in when they were 12th in the west.

Likely have to add something via trade or be good enough on the ice to convince free agents to sign there. 60 point seasons, not likely to convince anyone to sign unless the money/term is more. That's why they do need to improve up the standings points wise.

If Ana can maintain their current pace which is close to 80 points, they have a much better chance of signing free agents in the off-season. Players can see that they are getting closer to making the PO. Still likely another 13-15 points away, but that is more reasonable than being over 30 points out.

 

[zombie kopitar]

Every player outside of 3 for the future core as of today is 6'0 or under. The only 3 players that might have a future with the team by the time they contend again is Thrun, graf, and muk.

Well our prospect pool does have some great size at forward; Chernyshov, Bystedt, Halttunen, Musty. Pretty good odds at least one of those guys becomes a core player

I think we're ahead of Chicago based on morale alone. Macklin is already showing signs of a poised leader with good chemistry with Smith and Toffoli. I hate to use the word intangibles, but if prospect skill is relatively equal with the Hawks, the Sharks certainly have more of that former
Defense is a huge concern, because we will have wingers wanting to come play with Mack in the not so distant future. But building a quality blueline is easier said than done, even with a franchise talent set in stone

 

[ryan callahan]

Without Walman they are terrible. With him they are still terrible, but a lot less.

 

[karltonian]

Without Walman they are terrible. With him they are still terrible, but a lot less.

with him we are still terrible, but with walman.

 

[LeafsNet]

Tank nation. Sharks & Raptors.

 

[x Tame Impala]

The Hawks have a lot of good prospects in the system and seem to be further ahead on defense than San Jose as well. The Sharks definitely don’t have an Alex Vlassic-equivalent and that’s a huge step to overcome. Allan and Kaiser have shown promise as well.

Prospects are way bigger question marks than this forum likes to admit so extrapolating out is a fool’s errand IMHO. It’ll be interesting seeing what happens with this draft if the Hawks and Sharks both finish bottom-2. Who takes Hagens and who takes Schaefer?

 

[Star Platinum]

Horror-bad team on two game win streak since replacing horror-bad goalie with young stud

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

Askarov messing up the rebuild.

 

[Patty Ice]

Just because I'm proud of my 30 minute photoshop, I want to spread it beyond HFSharks.

I present to you the fabulous rookie quintet destined to lead the Sharks to greatness...

N'Shark

 

[herzausstein]

Askarov seems like he is gonna be a key cog in this team turning things around in the next couple seasons but it is beginning to take shape

 

[onmygameboi]

The cure for any struggling team... play the NJ Devils.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The Hawks have a lot of good prospects in the system and seem to be further ahead on defense than San Jose as well. The Sharks definitely don’t have an Alex Vlassic-equivalent and that’s a huge step to overcome. Allan and Kaiser have shown promise as well.

Prospects are way bigger question marks than this forum likes to admit so extrapolating out is a fool’s errand IMHO. It’ll be interesting seeing what happens with this draft if the Hawks and Sharks both finish bottom-2. Who takes Hagens and who takes Schaefer?

The Sharks don't have an Alex Vlasic, but the Hawks don't have a William Eklund.

If you consider Bedard and Celebrini to be relatively equal, then you can basically play inverse comparison with forwards and defensemen between the Sharks and Hawks respective prospect pools/young players.

Eklund/Smith/Musty/Cherneyshov/Bystedt/Halttunen/Graf vs. Vlasic/Levshunov/Korchinski/Rinzel/Allan/Kaiser/Del Mastro

Dickinson/Mukhamadullin/Cagnoni/Sahlin-Wallenius vs. Nazar/Moore/Kantserov/Boisvert

I think it would be fun if the Sharks landed Schaefer and the Hawks landed Hagens or Misa to keep the comparison going from a young talent perspective.

Just because I'm proud of my 30 minute photoshop, I want to spread it beyond HFSharks.

I present to you the fabulous rookie quintet destined to lead the Sharks to greatness...

N'Shark

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