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Gallagbi said:
Don't think they were the better team, but they definitely started on time. They held on late and in OT with us shooting ourselves in the foot again.

It's always been about winning the series and whether that's in 5 or 7 doesn't really matter. They need to get over this hump, but we all wish it was done already as it should have been.
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I don’t think you can change the core without changing Dubas.
Like many fans he has become to emotionally attached to individuals to part ways.

You need someone who has made no promises, paid no salaries, did not assemble and set cap structure of 4 guys and will look at what it means to win in the playoffs with a core that can get it done both in regular season and playoffs. Not just flashy season dangled and what not.
 
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Trapper said:
I don’t think you can change the core without changing Dubas.
Like many fans he has become to emotionally attached to individuals to part ways.

You need someone who has made no promises, paid no salaries, did not assemble and set cap structure of 4 guys and will look at what it means to win in the playoffs with a core that can get it done both in regular season and playoffs. Not just flashy season dangled and what not.
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I honestly don't know who is a better option. I'm fine with him making the moves, he just needs to be onboard and if not, you move on.
 
If they win and learn from it, and then take what they learned and apply to the next series, then yes it matters.

My worry is that players have already learned these lessons and are simply unwilling to implement them. Playing winning hockey is hard, and it’s not fun.
 
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Dreakmur said:
If they win and learn from it, and then take what they learned and apply to the next series, then yes it matters.

My worry is that players have already learned these lessons and are simply unwilling to implement them. Playing winning hockey is hard, and it’s not fun.
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Can you not feel the doubt that they've allowed in their minds? From bad passes to no creativity to getting away from what made them successful in the regular season?

It's so obvious to me although I've never played
 
stealth1 said:
How many times are you going to give this core the benefit of the doubt. Same was said last season and the season before that. At this point they are who they are. They can't raise their game to the next level.

Leaf fans should do themselves a favor and watch the 2 playoff games today between Tampa and Carolina and Colorado and Vegas. You will see how their stars play at a higher level
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a combined 1 Stanley cup amongst those four teams that raise their level

also Vegas blew a 3-1 series lead... like you can’t make this shit up sometimes
 
Gallagbi said:
I honestly don't know who is a better option. I'm fine with him making the moves, he just needs to be onboard and if not, you move on.
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I don’t know either and that’s where Shanahan is judged.
As for Dubas, he bet his job on the core.
Last year when asked if he could win with half the cap on these 4 guys he absolutely gave the 100% vote of confidence.
And this is how they repay him.
Mitch Marner with YET again another not ready to go. We’ll take if f******* serious bud. Seriously, again. That’s the last straw with him (Marner) for me.
 
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Trapper said:
I don’t know either and that’s where Shanahan is judged.
As for Dubas, he bet his job on the core.
Last year when asked if he could win with half the cap on these 4 guys he absolutely gave the 100% vote of confidence.
And this is how they repay him.
Mitch Marner with YET again another not ready to go. We’ll take if f******* serious bud. Seriously, again. That’s the last straw with him (Marner) for me.
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This is where we see what Dubas can do IMO. He's bet on the core and theyre slapping him in the face. He's catered to them, now it will be time to switch if they fail tomorrow.

He goes from the friend to the enemy for some. It's about the greater good of the team, and likely someone like Marner's future. You don't want to be the goat (and I don't mean G.O.A.T) in this market and that's what we're looking at. But he needs to be angry and board with changes, he can't be willing to let them have another kick at the can.
 
Gallagbi said:
This is where we see what Dubas can do IMO. He's bet on the core and theyre slapping him in the face. He's catered to them, now it will be time to switch if they fail tomorrow.

He goes from the friend to the enemy for some. It's about the greater good of the team, and likely someone like Marner's future. You don't want to be the goat (and I don't mean G.O.A.T) in this market and that's what we're looking at. But he needs to be angry and board with changes, he can't be willing to let them have another kick at the can.
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They need to win game 7 and bring everything they have to a playoff series against Winnipeg.
Just beating Montreal isn’t enough but of course it’s currently better than the alternative of losing. And losing should prompt big change. Getting to the next round still doesn’t excuse some if they are passengers there as well.
 
Trapper said:
I don’t think you can change the core without changing Dubas.
Like many fans he has become to emotionally attached to individuals to part ways.

You need someone who has made no promises, paid no salaries, did not assemble and set cap structure of 4 guys and will look at what it means to win in the playoffs with a core that can get it done both in regular season and playoffs. Not just flashy season dangled and what not.
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Remember Dubas mission statement " We can and We will"..

We can sign the core 4, and we will prove everyone else wrong that we will win with them.

Remember, he even admitted publicly, he gave Willy a verbal guarantee at time of signing, that as long as he is GM, he will not trade him.

I looked up Dubas in the dictionary and it showed this image with the tag line " Talk about painting yourself into a corner.

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throwitawaypokemon said:
They have had two games to close the series. Yes, Keefe has said that the games required to close out a series are often the most difficult, so game 5 was understandable. But following up game 5 with the effort in game 6 is just pathetic. No shows from our best, most talented players have ultimately led to us losing one of our best players in Jake Muzzin, Foligno feeling he has to come back before he's ready, and no opportunity to rest and get healthy before the second round if we get there.

Relying on old depth players like Jason Spezza to lead us while our stars like Matthews and Marner take the backseat is just super pathetic. These last two games have told us a lot about what we have.
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It’s not Irrelevant. If they lose game 7 the entire organization top to bottom become pathetic. Then they are Irrelevant. Then they are a waste of time to put up with any longer.
The choke will be in from Shanahan down. Shanahan is the architect of the soft team and has stated as much several times. He’s responsible and so is Dubas. They get fired and become Irrelevant too.
 
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AllDay28 said:
a combined 1 Stanley cup amongst those four teams that raise their level

also Vegas blew a 3-1 series lead... like you can’t make this shit up sometimes
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Ya, 1 cup but how many final 4? Raising their level is only one of the attitudes to pass the 1st round.
 
Dreakmur said:
If they win and learn from it, and then take what they learned and apply to the next series, then yes it matters.

My worry is that players have already learned these lessons and are simply unwilling to implement them. Playing winning hockey is hard, and it’s not fun.
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The sad thing is the depth is punching above their weight right now. You tell me we get 3x goals from Muzzin and Brodie in two close out games and we still can’t get it done?
 
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Beleafer34 said:
I feel the same way. I was so glad when we drafted Marner. But after watching him for 4 years, I’ve come to realize he is what he is, a terrific regular season player. But when the stakes are at their highest - playoffs - Marner is too small and scared to do what it takes to win.
If it’s true that Jones is done with Columbus, I wish we could trade Marner for him. But no GM, except Dubas, would want to have an $11 million winger who only shines in the regular season.
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exactly. The moment Dubas overpaid Marner he also devalued a sizable asset on the trade market. The return for Marner is not going to be as big as some folks think. Many teams will want the Leafs to retain some of that hefty salary.
 
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Dreakmur said:
If they win and learn from it, and then take what they learned and apply to the next series, then yes it matters.

My worry is that players have already learned these lessons and are simply unwilling to implement them. Playing winning hockey is hard, and it’s not fun.
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Playing winning hockey is incredibly fun, but it's not easy. Too often our core wants easy
 
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