The Rebuild Started...

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

The rebuild should of started in 2013 instead of the retool, and they could of started possibly being a more serious team by now, but because they didn't want to rebuild they've just prolonged the whole thing all together, and that's the issue I have and not happy about.

 

[bossram]

I would say that I do care about how and why things work which is why I care about introducing high character veteran mentors over having an extra late pick worth a +2% chance of getting player above replacement level. The reason why I want high character veteran mentors to develop the existing Prospect Pool is because I care about how and why things like success and proper development occur. If I thought that happened by simply getting as many young immature and inexperienced children together to carry a billion dollar company to success then I would be on your side. I think that position is devoid of real thought and scrutiny, not mine.

1. No one in the organization is a child.

2. Who are these veterans supposed to mentor? There's so many of them that there's hardly any room for young players anyway. We're barely gonna squeeze EP into the lineup, let alone any other rookies.

 

[pgj98m3]

1. No one in the organization is a child.

2. Who are these veterans supposed to mentor? There's so many of them that there's hardly any room for young players anyway. We're barely gonna squeeze EP into the lineup, let alone any other rookies.

Logic rarely has worked with this poster.

 

[Kryten]

The rebuild should of started in 2013 instead of the retool, and they could of started possibly being a more serious team by now, but because they didn't want to rebuild they've just prolonged the whole thing all together, and that's the issue I have and not happy about.

Finally breaking that post cherry Chuck. I agree with you and for the future you should know it is should have and could have.

 

[me2]

There must be 31 rebuilding teams in this league if wanting a better prospect pool is considered rebuilding.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

1. No one in the organization is a child.

2. Who are these veterans supposed to mentor? There's so many of them that there's hardly any room for young players anyway. We're barely gonna squeeze EP into the lineup, let alone any other rookies.

1. Most 18-22 year old people are still very much children. In fact, many adults never cease to relinquish childishness.

2. That's a good thing. Mentors are there to help young players who are in their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and even past their 4th seasons depending on how young they entered the league, for sure. They are also there to set the bar high for everyone in terms of working hard on and off the ice. One likely reason why Chris Tanev entered the NHL so well as an undrafted defender has a lot to do with joining a team full of good mentors. Ideally we want there to be several mentors per 1st-2nd year player at the very least. You can't let the locker room turn into a fratboy atmosphere.

 

[CanaFan]

1. Most 18-22 year old people are still very much children. In fact, many adults never cease to relinquish childishness.

This is untrue. Children are children. 18-22 year olds are young adults. Calling them children serves no purpose other than to exaggerate.

2. That's a good thing. Mentors are there to help young players who are in their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and even past their 4th seasons depending on how young they entered the league, for sure. They are also there to set the bar high for everyone in terms of working hard on and off the ice. One likely reason why Chris Tanev entered the NHL so well as an undrafted defender has a lot to do with joining a team full of good mentors. Ideally we want there to be several mentors per 1st-2nd year player at the very least. You can't let the locker room turn into a fratboy atmosphere.

You have a very unrealistic view of things. Which makes sense if you consider young adults to be children. A 4th year NHLer does not require a mentor unless they are developmentally impaired.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

1. Most 18-22 year old people are still very much children. In fact, many adults never cease to relinquish childishness.

2. That's a good thing. Mentors are there to help young players who are in their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and even past their 4th seasons depending on how young they entered the league, for sure. They are also there to set the bar high for everyone in terms of working hard on and off the ice. One likely reason why Chris Tanev entered the NHL so well as an undrafted defender has a lot to do with joining a team full of good mentors. Ideally we want there to be several mentors per 1st-2nd year player at the very least. You can't let the locker room turn into a fratboy atmosphere.

Some of the high character guys we have brought in strike me as very immature.

Gudbranson with his throwing Hutton under the bus.
Sutter with his snarky comments at the fans at the end of last year.
Roussel with his numerous on-ice antics that show a lack of discipline.

We seem to bring in character guys that need other character guys to mentor them, leaving very little room for actual prospects to be mentored.

 

[Melvin]

Some of the high character guys we have brought in strike me as very immature.

Gudbranson with his throwing Hutton under the bus.
Sutter with his snarky comments at the fans at the end of last year.
Roussel with his numerous on-ice antics that show a lack of discipline.

We seem to bring in character guys that need other character guys to mentor them, leaving very little room for actual prospects to be mentored.

Don't forget Prust spearing another player in the balls (I know) and Dorsett and his water bottle squirting from the bench.

The supposed high character leadership from the culture carriers has been nothing short of pathetic so far.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

This is untrue. Children are children. 18-22 year olds are young adults. Calling them children serves no purpose other than to exaggerate.



You have a very unrealistic view of things. Which makes sense if you consider young adults to be children. A 4th year NHLer does not require a mentor unless they are developmentally impaired.

Sundin mentored Kessler into a 40 goal selke forward, Ryan was 25 at the time.

Sundin mentored the Sedins into Art Ross players, and they were 28 at the time.

You can say that they didn’t need Sundin in the sense that they would have still been good players and I would agree but his mentor ship did help them a huge amount to get to the next level which they all claimed which means it’s a pretty good idea to get the best mentor ship you can for your young players or even middle aged players who still have unrealized potential.

 

[mathonwy]

This is untrue. Children are children. 18-22 year olds are young adults. Calling them children serves no purpose other than to exaggerate.



You have a very unrealistic view of things. Which makes sense if you consider young adults to be children. A 4th year NHLer does not require a mentor unless they are developmentally impaired.

That is categorically untrue.

The majority of 18-22 year old NHL players ARE children who have come into a crap tonne of money at a very young age. They may be physically developed but there's an extremely low chance that they're psychologically developed.

This isn't specific to the NHL. This is true in every single industry in the world.

There is a MASSIVE difference between how your fresh out of school 22 year old management consultant and your 5 year already on the job 27 year old management consultant handles adversity.

And less massive but still significant difference between a 32 year old and a 27 year old.

You have to suffer to learn how to handle suffering and how to keep perspective.

And that's a big part of the mentorship thing.

So Jimbo ain't wrong when he talks about mentorship. Having a guy (or guys) in the locker room that have-been-there-done-that-got-the-shirt is important in running an effective and healthy team.

Now if only we had some guys like that... Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Chris Higgins, Alex Burrows, Alex Edler, Dan Hamhuis, Jannik Hansen, Brad Richardson, Shawn Matthias, Radim Vrbata....

Oh right.. we do... I mean... we did and Jimbo and Trev ended up pissing all of them off.

This is such a pathetic organization.

edit.

MGMT consultant is the wrong example as a MGMT consultant should have their MBA already. Regardless, the gist of the example is still the correct one.

 

[clunk]

From a recent The Athletic article as voted by ~2000 NHL fans of different teamsView attachment 133265

Amazing.

 

[mathonwy]

 

[mathonwy]

Fake news.

 

[me2]

Sundin mentored Kessler into a 40 goal selke forward, Ryan was 25 at the time.

Sundin mentored the Sedins into Art Ross players, and they were 28 at the time.

You can say that they didn’t need Sundin in the sense that they would have still been good players and I would agree but his mentor ship did help them a huge amount to get to the next level which they all claimed which means it’s a pretty good idea to get the best mentor ship you can for your young players or even middle aged players who still have unrealized potential.

Gillis gets Sundin to help mentor future scoring stars. Jim gets them mentors likelBeagle and Roussel after previously geting Prust and Dorsett etc.

 

[Peter10]

Sundin mentored Kessler into a 40 goal selke forward, Ryan was 25 at the time.

Sundin mentored the Sedins into Art Ross players, and they were 28 at the time.

You can say that they didn’t need Sundin in the sense that they would have still been good players and I would agree but his mentor ship did help them a huge amount to get to the next level which they all claimed which means it’s a pretty good idea to get the best mentor ship you can for your young players or even middle aged players who still have unrealized potential.

I would say there is a difference between adding a hall of fame talent to mentor your up and coming stars and adding some 4th line / 3rd pair guys who have limited skills and are somehow "good in the room". If I want my kid to become a doctor or a lawyer or a scientist I wont hire the plumber next door to teach him/her, no matter how good said plumber is in his job.

 

[CanaFan]

That is categorically untrue.

The majority of 18-22 year old NHL players ARE children who have come into a crap tonne of money at a very young age. They may be physically developed but there's an extremely low chance that they're psychologically developed.

This isn't specific to the NHL. This is true in every single industry in the world.

There is a MASSIVE difference between how your fresh out of school 22 year old management consultant and your 5 year already on the job 27 year old management consultant handles adversity.

And less massive but still significant difference between a 32 year old and a 27 year old.

You have to suffer to learn how to handle suffering and how to keep perspective.

And that's a big part of the mentorship thing.

So Jimbo ain't wrong when he talks about mentorship. Having a guy (or guys) in the locker room that have-been-there-done-that-got-the-shirt is important in running an effective and healthy team.

Now if only we had some guys like that... Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Chris Higgins, Alex Burrows, Alex Edler, Dan Hamhuis, Jannik Hansen, Brad Richardson, Shawn Matthias, Radim Vrbata....

Oh right.. we do... I mean... we did and Jimbo and Trev ended up pissing all of them off.

This is such a pathetic organization.

edit.

MGMT consultant is the wrong example as a MGMT consultant should have their MBA already. Regardless, the gist of the example is still the correct one.

I dunno man. I have trouble calling Quinn Hughes or Brock Boeser a child. I have children (5 and 9) and I think there’s more than a small gap between the two groups.

I understand the desire to escalate the language here to convey a strong point but I find it rather ridiculous. If they are in fact “children” then they shouldn’t be in the NHL at all. Hell they shouldn’t be in a swimming pool without a guardian over the age of 21 within arms reach at all times.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I am so sick about reading about mentors. In Vancouver the term mentor has been substituted in place of using the term plug. The explanation for Benning stockpiling plugs is to just call them mentors and assume they're going to help in some way. In reality they're just not good hockey players, or they don't make sense for this team, because Benning is incompetent as a GM and he still has his own fans who refuse to come to terms with reality.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

The rebuild should of started in 2013 instead of the retool, and they could of started possibly being a more serious team by now, but because they didn't want to rebuild they've just prolonged the whole thing all together, and that's the issue I have and not happy about.

Totally agree..It was evident when the Sharks easily swept us in the playoffs...AV paid the price,but that wasn't the problem.

 

[Hit the post]

double double.

Tim Hortons sucks more than Canucks and/or St Anger.

"they are probably the worst team in the Western Conference"

They are probably the team that has the worst cumulative record for the past three seasons....

 

[mathonwy]

I dunno man. I have trouble calling Quinn Hughes or Brock Boeser a child. I have children (5 and 9) and I think there’s more than a small gap between the two groups.

I understand the desire to escalate the language here to convey a strong point but I find it rather ridiculous. If they are in fact “children” then they shouldn’t be in the NHL at all. Hell they shouldn’t be in a swimming pool without a guardian over the age of 21 within arms reach at all times.

Kid. Child. Whatever.

If it's semantics that's bugging ya then kindly ignore my post please!

 

[mathonwy]

I am so sick about reading about mentors. In Vancouver the term mentor has been substituted in place of using the term plug. The explanation for Benning stockpiling plugs is to just call them mentors and assume they're going to help in some way. In reality they're just not good hockey players, or they don't make sense for this team, because Benning is incompetent as a GM and he still has his own fans who refuse to come to terms with reality.

Jimbo has forever poisoned the mentor vocab well here in Vancouver.

It's effing sad dude.

 

[Bleach Clean]

From a recent The Athletic article as voted by ~2000 NHL fans of different teamsView attachment 133265

I take it that the "Fan Base" is this contingent of 2000 NHL fans of different teams. What then comprises the "Public Opinion" portion of this vote?

24th in draft and develop? Interesting.

 

[valkynax]

Jimbo has forever poisoned the mentor vocab well here in Vancouver.

It's effing sad dude.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I take it that the "Fan Base" is this contingent of 2000 NHL fans of different teams. What then comprises the "Public Opinion" portion of this vote?

24th in draft and develop? Interesting.

I think Fan Base is Canucks fans and public opinnion is rest of the ~2000 fans. (of other teams)

 

[Bleach Clean]

I think Fan Base is Canucks fans and public opinnion is rest of the ~2000 fans. (of other teams)

So the Canucks fan base ranks the Canucks as being 22nd in the Draft/Develop category? This is still surprising.