The real reason for struggles

[no name]

The Kings are struggling. No doubt about it. Why is that?

It's not Kopitar. He makes everyone better regardless of what the same 3 guys in the GDT's say every game. He turned Brown into a somewhat productive player. Brown hasn't done a thing in his career outside of playing with Kopitar. How about Williams? Williams has scored 6 points since leaving Kopitar's first line. There was a 3 point game in there too.

It's not Muzzin. He makes pennies and is a good offensive player. The fact that he is required to have so many responsibilities is not his fault.

It's not Lewis.

It's not Frattin.

The problem is the Kings went all in to win the cup and they did. Mission accomplished. All the chips we had were sent to aquire Richards, Carter and Pancakes. We didn't really have that many chips as it was due to what I believe to be the worst waste of draft picks in the NHL during the tenure of DL. The amount of wasted picks DL flubbed on in an attempt to build a system is absurd. From Hickey, Teubert, Forbort, Clifford, Gibson, Rousin and in many ways Bernier. Jury is still out on Forbort but he's just part of a long line of trying to draft size and grit above skill. The build scheme never once worked. The amount of misses were outweighed for a couple years due to lottery tickets paying big in Quick and Voynov. Also, in his favor, he got a sweetheart acquisition in Williams for basically nothing.

On top of the misses, the Penner trade set the teams future back a full year giving up a first rounder and another first rounder in Teubert all in an attempt to get another big so called system guy.

DD, Schenn and Simmonds were the only top round hits. Schenn and Simmonds helped get us Richards but everything else was a bust. Make no mistake, the whole building process was a failure despite an embarrassment of opportunities.

Essentially despite all of our opportnties we went backwards more than we went forward and the few forward steps were given away. So we win the cup and that is the ultimate goal. But to the point of the thread now we have no young, cheap players to achieve continued success. On top of this the Kings have paid dearly for Brown and Voynov and they are not earning half of what they are being paid. the lack of cheap options to replace also made the Kings pay dearly for RR in terms of salary and draft picks.

I would like to see the Kings trade Brown to Buff for Ehrhoff. Buff needs forwards and have a glut of D.

I'd like to see the Kings trade Greene for draft picks.

This way they shed salary and bring back young player and help stock the farm.

Sorry for the poor sentence structure and spelling. I wrote this for an hour on my phone.

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[Tadite]

This is just crazy from top to bottom.

 

[Ron*]

29-16-6.

And one of the words in the title to this thread is "struggles."

I am ****ing amazed at the way some of you think.

 

[Trolfoli]

This team has the 22'nd ranked offense. "Struggles" is sugar coating it.

 

[Moses Doughty]

29-16-6.

And one of the words in the title to this thread is "struggles."

I am ****ing amazed at the way some of you think.

Agreed, even after this recent stretch we're still so high in the standings.




First off-Roussin isn't a DL pick, he was in 2005.

Second-Bernier was not a flubbed pick in any way shape or form. He's extremely good but the trade market for goalies is nearly none existent and he would be the starter if not for Quick's ascendance.

Third-Any pick that isn't top 10 is a coinflip to be a success or not. Therefore Hickey is the only wasted pick. Forbort you can't make a decision until he's in the NHL or never makes it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

wat

I'm going to give this thread a few posts to save itself but I'm not 100% sure what your premise is--are you saying because we went all in we no longer have youth supporting the roster? You know our farm team is best in the league, right? You know we have guys knocking on the door in Toffoli, Pearson, et. al.? It's the guys that are currently on the roster that are sucking and that has nothing to do with the draft record of DL over the last few years no matter what you think of it.

Most of those assets that have moved on have done nothing, no matter how poorly they were wasted in your eyes (Klefbom = still all potential for EDM, Hickey is playing regular minutes, Teubert is picking his nose somewhere, and most of our current picks are still developing.), the pain of giving up picks and youth has not even yet begun to manifest in our organization.

 

[Trolfoli]

Agreed, even after this recent stretch we're still so high in the standings.




First off-Roussin isn't a DL pick, he was in 2005.

Second-Bernier was not a flubbed pick in any way shape or form. He's extremely good but the trade market for goalies is nearly none existent and he would be the starter if not for Quick's ascendance.

Third-Any pick that isn't top 10 is a coinflip to be a success or not. Therefore Hickey is the only wasted pick. Forbort you can't make a decision until he's in the NHL or never makes it.

4th: On Teubert the Kings traded down 1 pick for what ended up being Andrew Campbel and passed on Tyler Myers.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

The Kings are struggling. No doubt about it. Why is that?

It's not Kopitar. He makes everyone better regardless of what the same 3 guys in the GDT's say every game. He turned Brown into a somewhat productive player. Brown hasn't done a thing in his career outside of playing with Kopitar. How about Williams? Williams has scored 6 points since leaving Kopitar's first line. There was a 3 point game in there too.

It's not Muzzin. He makes pennies and is a good offensive player. The fact that he is required to have so many responsibilities is not his fault.

It's not Lewis.

It's not Frattin.

The problem is the Kings went all in to win the cup and they did. Mission accomplished. All the chips we had were sent to aquire Richards, Carter and Pancakes. We didn't really have that many chips as it was due to what I believe to be the worst waste of draft picks in the NHL during the tenure of DL. The amount of wasted picks DL flubbed on in an attempt to build a system is absurd. From Hickey, Teubert, Forbort, Clifford, Gibson, Rousin and in many ways Bernier. Jury is still out on Forbort but he's just part of a long line of trying to draft size and grit above skill. The build scheme never once worked. The amount of misses were outweighed for a couple years due to lottery tickets paying big in Quick and Voynov. Also, in his favor, he got a sweetheart acquisition in Williams for basically nothing.

On top of the misses, the Penner trade set the teams future back a full year giving up a first rounder and another first rounder in Teubert all in an attempt to get another big so called system guy.

DD, Schenn and Simmonds were the only top round hits. Schenn and Simmonds helped get us Richards but everything else was a bust. Make no mistake, the whole building process was a failure despite an embarrassment of opportunities.

Essentially despite all of our opportnties we went backwards more than we went forward and the few forward steps were given away. So we win the cup and that is the ultimate goal. But to the point of the thread now we have no young, cheap players to achieve continued success. On top of this the Kings have paid dearly for Brown and Voynov and they are not earning half of what they are being paid. the lack of cheap options to replace also made the Kings pay dearly for RR in terms of salary and draft picks.

I would like to see the Kings trade Brown to Buff for Ehrhoff. Buff needs forwards and have a glut of D.

I'd like to see the Kings trade Greene for draft picks.

This way they shed salary and bring back young player and help stock the farm.

Sorry for the poor sentence structure and spelling. I wrote this for an hour on my phone.

I hope the

you Hope the...what?

Don't leave us hanging man. You owe us that much

 

[KingsFan7824]

Brown hasn't done a thing in his career outside of playing with Kopitar.

I would like to see the Kings trade Brown to Buff for Ehrhoff. Buff needs forwards and have a glut of D.

Why is Buffalo taking on a larger cap hit for a guy that hasn't done anything in his career unless it's been with a player that isn't going to be in Buffalo?

If the Kings trade Brown now, they're selling low. How are you getting a good defenseman for him?

Brown is having a crap year. Richards isn't having a much better year. Regehr isn't what Scuderi was, Mitchell got hurt after being re-signed, Voynov has struggled this year, and Muzzin is all over the place, but the Kings are still giving up the fewest goals in the league.

The Kings are struggling with the 8th best record in the league. If the Kings collectively, and Brown and Richards in particular, had 10 more goals in the 50+ games they've played this year, we're not talking Stamkos levels of goal scoring, and this thread isn't even created.

Those 10 goals are probably good enough for a couple wins against Calgary, and another win or two somewhere along the line where the Kings lost by a goal or had to win in a shootout. Another 6-8 points in the standings, and the Kings are great, nobody has any complaints.

 

[no name]

wat

I'm going to give this thread a few posts to save itself but I'm not 100% sure what your premise is--are you saying because we went all in we no longer have youth supporting the roster? You know our farm team is best in the league, right? You know we have guys knocking on the door in Toffoli, Pearson, et. al.? It's the guys that are currently on the roster that are sucking and that has nothing to do with the draft record of DL over the last few years no matter what you think of it.

Most of those assets that have moved on have done nothing, no matter how poorly they were wasted in your eyes (Klefbom = still all potential for EDM, Hickey is playing regular minutes, Teubert is picking his nose somewhere, and most of our current picks are still developing.), the pain of giving up picks and youth has not even yet begun to manifest in our organization.

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

 

[damacles1156]

I think Boston and Chicago are the only other teams in the league since 2006 to send more than 15 players to the NHL and play over 50 NHL games.

If I am correct Boston had 21 , right behind them was the LA Kings with like 17.

The Goal is to land two roster players each draft year.....If I am correct Lombardi and Futa are batting 1000. So far. CNS and Tonell can correct me if I am wrong.

Drafting and developing is not a problem for the Kings, its a strength (finally).

Basically you have no idea what you're talking about .

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

Gotcha. Thanks.

Respectfully disagree, though, to an extent. I wish as much as anyone else does that our prospects/assets were managed 'better' but it's hard to argue with the success we DO have. What prospects around the league would replace who we have on our roster? Keep in mind even the better young players on Chicago, Boston, and others came after a gap opened up for them. For better or worse, Toffoli is our Saad, etc. And of course our farm is 'void' compared to other teams as most of those players either recently graduated to our roster OR we haven't been picking in the top 5 in recent years.

I just don't see this as THE REAL reason for our struggles as our entire core is still relatively young and has at least 5 good years of hockey yet. Beyond that, well, we'll be restocking over the next few years for sure, but it's a little crazy to be thinking 5 years down the road when our window is open right now.

 

[damacles1156]

The reason this team struggles is high dollar players have bad games and go through slumps.

Its normal , and the Kings role players are not skilled enough to pick up that slack(consistently).

It is, what it is.

 

[go4hockey]

This team has the 22'nd ranked offense. "Struggles" is sugar coating it.

And the number one defense. Kinda funny how some complain about the bad but never what to speak of the good. Scoring is fun and all but defense and goaltending wins in the playoffs when scoring is down every year

 

[go4hockey]

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

We do need to build up the system but all the core is signed long term and we do have some good kids coming up ( Pearson, Toffoli and vey) will all be helpful. We cannot afford to trade any of the kids at this time but we will be fine. Funny how some come on a complain nonstop even if Deano is by miles the best GM we have ever had can you not enjoy anything in life??????

 

[Bandit]

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

I think you're a bit off base here. Do you think it was in Chicago's plan to botch those offer sheets and get reamed? Somehow they still managed to recover and win another cup, and be in a great position to keep on contending. Of course it would be better if we hit on all those picks but what team has that kind of success? Patrick Sharp was drafted by the flyers after all...

 

[Face Wash]

29-16-6.

And one of the words in the title to this thread is "struggles."

I am ****ing amazed at the way some of you think.

LA has lost 10 of 14 game (10 points out of 28) scoring fewer than 2 goals per game with very few injuries...If that's not a top team struggling, I don't know what is.

 

[etherialone]

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

You could not be anymore wrong.

 

[tsanuri]

LA has lost 10 of 14 game (10 points out of 28) scoring fewer than 2 goals per game with very few injuries...If that's not a top team struggling, I don't know what is.

I think the problem is that this thread seems to be saying we aren't a top team. I agree with what you said. We are a top team that is on one of the worst slumps we could imagine. I'm just happy that with the problems we are still holding on to 3rd in the Pac.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

My point was that the Kings don't have the pieces for sustained success. The rebuild went backwards. If the Kings hit on at least half of those guys then we would have the players to step in or the players to trade.

Our farm teams success does not mean the Kings have a good system. They are universally believed to be pretty void compared to other teams.

Uh what? Kings have some of the most talent in the NHL in their prospect line. 75% of the Monarchs roster has some kind of NHL potential. Top 10 in the NHL despite being a consistent contender. The Kings have one of the deepest NHL rosters, deepest farm teams (with almost every player having some kind of NHL potential), deepest prospect pools. The farm system isn't QUITE as beep as 3-4 years ago, but it was a top 3 system then.

 

[no name]

Uh what? Kings have some of the most talent in the NHL in their prospect line. 75% of the Monarchs roster has some kind of NHL potential. Top 10 in the NHL despite being a consistent contender. The Kings have one of the deepest NHL rosters, deepest farm teams (with almost every player having some kind of NHL potential), deepest prospect pools. The farm system isn't QUITE as beep as 3-4 years ago, but it was a top 3 system then.

How would you rate our system? Can you find hockey mind who get paid to have an opinion outside of us on HF that says the Kings have a strong system? Our top talent was acquired late because they are complete wild cards. None are available to help. The other guys like Pearson are in no way projected to be impact players.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Pearson won't be an impact player? Wut?

 

[go4hockey]

Wow it's just a waste of time typing responses for some people just never get it or like to live in the world of negativity. Go away with the downers and let the rest of us enjoy the best our Kings have been in 47 years of existence.

 

[KingPurpleDinosaur]

depleted our farm? obviously you haven't read that we just acquired crescenzi.

it's funny how at the beginning of the year, everyone was all "omg! we have too many blue chips. a full line (pearson, vey, toffoli) of prospects ready to make the NHL!" then everyone was like, "omg! develop them in the NHL, they already learned all they can in the A". Now it's "omg! we don't have any prospects in manchester!"

for everyone saying we're struggling yada yada, i'm going to keep saying it, this is THE best kings team i've ever seen. are we in the chasm? sure, it happens. but the depth of this team is ridiculous.

 

[King'sPawn]

The reason for the struggles is the special teams ****ing stink.

Record when:
Kings score a powerplay goal - 12-9-1
Don't score a powerplay goal - 15-8-6
Allow a powerplay goal - 11-12-2
Don't allow a powerplay goal - 16-5-5

They've gone 29 games of not scoring a powerplay goal, which I think is a little bad. However, their record isn't that bad.

What's more alarming is their record when they can't kill a penalty.