Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You didn't pitch kapanen and a 2nd tho, how do we know you are a real leaf fan

I won't make a pitch because while I know you want JVR the last time I looked at General Fanager you guys had something like 300K in space and so JVR won't work

And retaining 50% in him makes no sense for us.

So that means we got to go somewhere else now I think that can be done it might be tough but we have A LOT of cheap young talent so I think it can be done.

For the record I do think JVR is fair it just doesn't work due to you being so tight to the cap.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Damn if the ducks can't sign him soon. Does he sign a 1 year deal with the KHL so he can play. These are crucial development years for him and not playing will hurt him.

Either the ducks gotta find a move or lindholm might

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I won't make a pitch because while I know you want JVR but the last time I looked at General Fanager you guys had something like 300K in space and so JVR won't work

And retaking 50% Ono him makes no sense for us.

So that means we got to go somewhere else now I think that can be done it might be tough but we have A LOT of cheap young talent so I think it can be done.

For the record I do think JVR is fair it just doesn't work due to you being so tight to the cap.

JVR is Fowler price.

Lindholm is more like nylander/ Marner +

 

[Coach Parker]

I won't make a pitch because while I know you want JVR but the last time I looked at General Fanager you guys had something like 300K in space and so JVR won't work

And retaking 50% Ono him makes no sense for us.

So that means we got to go somewhere else now I think that can be done it might be tough but we have A LOT of cheap young talent so I think it can be done.

For the record I do think JVR is fair it just doesn't work due to you being so tight to the cap.

I'm so glad I went back and read your original posts because this made it look like you thought JVR was worth Lindholm if someone just read this page.

Gotta think Leafs add slightly to a JVR for Fowler given the demand for the position. They cannot take cap back so JVR is a no go.

 

[LV*]

Damn if the ducks can't sign him soon. Does he sign a 1 year deal with the KHL so he can play. These are crucial development years for him and not playing will hurt him.

Either the ducks gotta find a move or lindholm might

100% he'd go to the SHL imo, likely Rogle instead of the K.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

JVR is Fowler price.

Lindholm is more like nylander/ Marner +

I don't want Lindholm I never said anything about Lindholm

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'm so glad I went back and read your original posts because this made it look like you thought JVR was worth Lindholm if someone just read this page.

Gotta think Leafs add slightly to a JVR for Fowler given the demand for the position. They cannot take cap back so JVR is a no go.

How did you get that impression?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Ottawa needs to offersheet Lindholm and make Anaheim pay for it! Make Canada great again!

 

[Kalv]

Ducks can send Thompson and Depres to LTIR as well.....

How does the LTIR work, can someone tell me?

Shouldn`t we already put those 2 on there and start saving some cap dollars? I`m confused

 

[Not Sure]

How does the LTIR work, can someone tell me?

Shouldn`t we already put those 2 on there and start saving some cap dollars? I`m confused

LTIR only kicks in cap relief if you're over the cap. It gives a buffer for injury replacement but also allows teams like Arizona to get to the floor by counting LTIR money.

 

[Maukkis]

How does the LTIR work, can someone tell me?

Shouldn`t we already put those 2 on there and start saving some cap dollars? I`m confused

LTIR acts as a temporary cap relief. When a player goes to the LTIR, the team gets to go over the cap by *player's cap hit - team's free cap space*. I'm not sure how it works when multiple players are LTIRed, but regardless, it looks like Anaheim can't afford Lindholm even with Thompson and Despres LTIRed. And it's a big risk to take as well - when they're cleared to come back, you'll start to forfeit games pretty quickly after realizing how much you're over the cap.

 

[Kalv]

Ah, thanks guys.

Yeah it`s clear that we still have to move someone but any relief is a relief. I think Thompson will be out for at least another couple of months and Despres might be out for a while as well. So that`s something. Now if only we could move Stoner...

 

[Opak]

LTIR acts as a temporary cap relief. When a player goes to the LTIR, the team gets to go over the cap by *player's cap hit - team's free cap space*. I'm not sure how it works when multiple players are LTIRed, but regardless, it looks like Anaheim can't afford Lindholm even with Thompson and Despres LTIRed. And it's a big risk to take as well - when they're cleared to come back, you'll start to forfeit games pretty quickly after realizing how much you're over the cap.

I disagree, I think they have the money to re-sign Lindholm. Just LTIR both of them, send a few players to the AHL (Raymond, Sörensen, Larsson) and they're good to go.

Bob Murray is on tape saying 'it'd be a miracle' if Thompson was able to return before the TDL. Murray also said recently that he's not going to rush Despres back, as he was just sent to see some specialist doctor for PCS. Obviously he's not going to be able to play for a while either, so I don't see what the 'risk' is with putting them on LTIR.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Not to sound rude, however has no one realized that Anaheim's biggest concern isn't even cap space (It's an issue). It's actual money? LTIRing anyone still means you have to pay them.

 

[Opak]

Not to sound rude, however has no one realized that Anaheim's biggest concern isn't even cap space (It's an issue). It's actual money? LTIRing anyone still means you have to pay them.

We don't know much of anything about Anaheim's actual cash flow. All we know is that Bob Murray told the media that he can spend more this year. And IIRC, that was before Thompson's achilles tendon blew up.

We don't have the slightest idea of what Anaheim's budget is this season, or even whether they're on a budget this year.

 

[Kalv]

I disagree, I think they have the money to re-sign Lindholm. Just LTIR both of them, send a few players to the AHL (Raymond, Sörensen, Larsson) and they're good to go.

Bob Murray is on tape saying 'it'd be a miracle' if Thompson was able to return before the TDL. Murray also said recently that he's not going to rush Despres back, as he was just sent to see some specialist doctor for PCS. Obviously he's not going to be able to play for a while either, so I don't see what the 'risk' is with putting them on LTIR.

Damn, right. I mixed Thompers injury from last season, this year he will take longer. So Thompson is 1.6 and Despres is 3.7 together that makes 5.3 (and if I understood that right then the current 300k in cap space needs to be deducted from that leaving with 5M free space. Raymond and Larsson sending down would be anothe 1.5. So 6.5 I HOPE should be enough to resign Lindholm. Actually on paper it makes sense.

Not to sound rude, however has no one realized that Anaheim's biggest concern isn't even cap space (It's an issue). It's actual money? LTIRing anyone still means you have to pay them.

Absolutely true but as you`ve might noticed we are currently 300k from cap ceiling already. Can`t sign Lindholm with that.
Some moves in the future will obviously be made. Lindholm IS Ducks priority

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Damn, right. I mixed Thompers injury from last season, this year he will take longer. So Thompson is 1.6 and Despres is 3.7 together that makes 5.3 (and if I understood that right then the current 300k in cap space needs to be deducted from that leaving with 5M free space. Raymond and Larsson sending down would be anothe 1.5. So 6.5 I HOPE should be enough to resign Lindholm. Actually on paper it makes sense.


Absolutely true but as you`ve might noticed we are currently 300k from cap ceiling already. Can`t sign Lindholm with that.
Some moves in the future will obviously be made. Lindholm IS Ducks priority

That's true, however what I'm saying is if you have $7mill in cap space, but your budget is $70mill, it means you still don't have enough cash.

 

[TT1]

On a side note, Manson's great adv. stats haven't dropped even tho he's not playing with Lindholm. Small sample size of course but it's an interesting thing to keep an eye on.

 

[Not Sure]

what exactly is the penalty for going over the cap anyways? Do they not allow the players who put the team over to play? I always wondered what the league could actually do to a team above or below the cap.

 

[Maukkis]

what exactly is the penalty for going over the cap anyways? Do they not allow the players who put the team over to play? I always wondered what the league could actually do to a team above or below the cap.

If a team is either under the cap floor or over the cap ceiling, it has to forfeit all of its games until it's cap compliant again. This is why you do not play around with LTIR "cap space" during the regular season, as it can get really ugly really quickly.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If a team is either under the cap floor or over the cap ceiling, it has to forfeit all of its games until it's cap compliant again. This is why you do not play around with LTIR "cap space" during the regular season, as it can get really ugly really quickly.

Unless you know the guy you LTIR is never playing again Like Horton Robidas and Lupul

 

[Maukkis]

Unless you know the guy you LTIR is never playing again Like Horton Robidas and Lupul

This does not apply to Anaheim, so it's irrelevant, but true.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

100% he'd go to the SHL imo, likely Rogle instead of the K.

Actually that Makes a lot of sense.

I hope it doesn't come down to that I'm all for talent staying in the NHL

 

[dracom]

This does not apply to Anaheim, so it's irrelevant, but true.

Thompson is pretty much out until the TDL, and Despres may be done with hockey completely, or at the least done for quite awhile with symptoms from a concussion he had last season coming back. We can put them both on LTIR until the TDL and then at that point the cap doesn't matter. So we can just pull a Blackhawks and figure out the cap **** during the next off season.

 

[caymanmew]

Thompson is pretty much out until the TDL, and Despres may be done with hockey completely, or at the least done for quite awhile with symptoms from a concussion he had last season coming back. We can put them both on LTIR until the TDL and then at that point the cap doesn't matter. So we can just pull a Blackhawks and figure out the cap **** during the next off season.

The cap matter till the season is over. So when Thompson is healthy at the TDL and comes off IR it puts you over the cap. Same for Despres.

Honestly what you guys are suggesting is great theoretically but in reality it is playing with serious fire and i highly doubt it gets done.

Time will tell though.