GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread - Training Camp is Upon Us
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ChaosAgent
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Regardless of how necessary a Franchise Quarterback is to win a Super Bowl in this era - and to be clear Brady/the Pats are skewing things in recent times...
The Steelers have a hollowed out husk with the same name on the back of the jersey as their former franchise quarterback. Once you are no longer a good starting quarterback, you are no longer a Franchise Starting Quarterback. Your franchise is choosing to go with an old vet over someone new; that's it. If a franchise quarterback (who is still good and therefore still a franchise quarterback) is a prerequesite, we'll need to draft another one or trade half our roster for Russell Wilson or something.
The Steelers have a hollowed out husk with the same name on the back of the jersey as their former franchise quarterback. Once you are no longer a good starting quarterback, you are no longer a Franchise Starting Quarterback. Your franchise is choosing to go with an old vet over someone new; that's it. If a franchise quarterback (who is still good and therefore still a franchise quarterback) is a prerequesite, we'll need to draft another one or trade half our roster for Russell Wilson or something.
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I really don't see what the big debate is about regarding Ben. His cap hit was going to kill them in 2021 whether he played or didn't play, and the fact remains they weren't going to get a comparable QB otherwise for a lower cap hit (once you factored in what they were paying him this year regardless). Ben's largely been trash in the playoffs the past few years but he's still serviceable for this year.
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If a player is 13-9 with 37 tds and 28 interceptions in 13 playoff games is that player a franchise QB. If in his teams last 3 playoff wins he throws for a combined 3 tds his he a franchise QB. Keep in mind he has 2 Super Bowls and was in a 3rd. Seattle used Wilson on a rookie contract and an elite defense to win a championship and since the defense broke up has 3 wins in 10 years. Jacksonville just was in the afc championship game with Jaime gabbert
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They just kicked more money into next year and are going to win 11games and not be able to draft a young QB so they will go with Mason and Haskins next year. They could have done that this season and not have 10 million wasted in cap next year
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You're suggesting that if they go 11-6 with Ben playing well that this would be a bad thing.
Ok then.
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First QB to ever win all his playoff games on the road on the way to the SB… saved the “elite” Steelers D with the greatest drive in franchise history… will hold all major franchise records for passing.
One of only 12 QBs to ever win multiple SB rings.
No SB titles in 25 years before he showed up.
Surefire HOFer.
Sounds like a franchise guy to me.
Getting cursed with Tomlin did f*** up what could have been an even greater career, I agree.
Bradshaw had Noll to push him to greatness.
Montana had Walsh.
Brady had Hoodie.
BR had… Tomlin, the worst thing that ever happened to his career.
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If you don’t mind another 1st round playoff loss and QB purgatory in 23 it’s not a bad thing
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I thought I've seen some pretty good troll like arguements against BR over the years on theses message board sites, but this guy takes the cake
This right here shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Jacksonville was in the AFC title game with Bortles. They also had the best defense in football and when push came to shove they needed their non franchise qb to make a play in the final minutes he came up short and failed because he just wasn’t that good….sounds like 2 guys in the Steelers roster currently
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They had a 20-10 lead in the 4th the goat hit Danny for 2 4th QT tds to get the win. That’s all you can ask for we gay not been in that position for awhile
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We definitely have a better chance with Haskins or Rudolph making diddly next year versus Ben's full descent into Cpt. Fat f***-ville that we have lived through these last few years.
Is it a good chance? Probably not. Should we have meaningfully replaced Ben 3-4 years ago? Of course. But let's make the best of it.
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Is it a good chance? Probably not. Should we have meaningfully replaced Ben 3-4 years ago? Of course. But let's make the best of it.
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Bortles had the ball in his hands for the last possession and couldn’t make a play when they needed him to. Jacksonville also got the ball back with about 55 seconds and 2 timeout left before halftime…and decided to take a knee on the ball instead of going for the kill…all because they didn’t trust their QB. When push came to shove in that game they needed Bortles to make a play and he failed
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Correct and it’s been since 2017 since we were in that position. Ben hasn’t come through in that spot in years but people still claim he is franchise QB
Ben is a franchise QB that is now not at that level anymore and is out of his prime. Although I think he is currently still better the some current starters
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As if it’s probably not going to be anyway after Ben is gone.
Playoff runs with Neil O’Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Mark Malone are considered the dark years in Steeler history between Super Bowl wins by the great QBs.
I’m literally not sure what point this proves. Most teams would take the Steelers’ dark years but…
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Mr Jiggyfly
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Those guys were swell and all, but I hope the Steelers don't go 24 years between drafting Qbs in the first round.
You don't just give up for the next two decades+ because you f***ed up and pissed away a late first on Mayday Malone.
Ben was 1,000 a franchise QB. No doubt about it. But the key word there is was. He’s not that guy anymore, but he also shouldn’t be expected to be that guy either. He’s 37
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39. It's kind of amazing how we expect quarterbacks to play forever now. Especially the ones who never took care of themselves on or off the field. But ripping band-aids off hurts, and Ben has a skilled agent.
Outside of the Fins all three teams have vastly better QBs than MR or Haskins. I love how you stupid steeler fans think your garbage backup QB equals other teams starters. It’s so laughable
Just stop. You sound beyond moronic trying to act like MR is anything close to Jared Goff. Goff is an actual starter in this league. Has thrown for over 4000 yards twice and just a few yards off a 3rd time. If MR showed even half of Goff’s potential he would’ve performed when Ben was hurt, and before that ever happened teams would’ve been trying to trade for him like they did with Jimmy G. MR will never be anything but a below average back up
Just stop with the Moronic takes. Teams would line up to trade for either Goff or Jimmy G. The steelers could release MR or haskins and there’s a chance neither would be picked up. Both Jimmy G and Goff has been starters in this league. Something MR has never been or never will be. You understand if he was anywhere near that good, Ben wouldn’t be back, and haskins would’ve never been signed
my god. In the Super Bowl against the cards he lead the team on a game winning drive and made an impossible throw. Your cluelessness is unbelievable
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