OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[JTG]

I was looking at buying another Steelers hat. Steelers merch is lame. 47 makes such nice baseball hats, but you can tell that they don't have the freedom with NFL stuff.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I wouldn't sleep on them taking an IOL either - Torrence, Avila, or Tippmann.

I thought about Torrence. But the value of who remains with the defensive back position is greater.

Porter and Branch are better value and need.

I am leaning toward Branch. Just seems a more dynamic player on film. Another Fitzpatrick. Who could mentor him.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I was looking at buying another Steelers hat. Steelers merch is lame. 47 makes such nice baseball hats, but you can tell that they don't have the freedom with NFL stuff.

I liked their NHL vintage snap backs but ofc the Pens didn’t get one

 

[WickedWrister]

I'm not actually suggesting that we should do this because KP8 showed me enough late in the year that I want to commit to him for at least another season.... but I'd wager most analysts have a higher grade on Levis than they did Pickett last year. I like Kenny and believe he has the potential to be an above average starter in the league, but it's not like his year 1 was a resounding success and its obvious that he's a franchise guy in the same vein as Burrow, Herbert, Hurts etc...

From a league wide value perspective, QB's are worth their weight in gold. Speaking of Hurts, "QB Factory" Philly took him while they still had Wentz signed to a long term deal and was able to recoup a 1st round pick after it became clear that Wentz had regressed physically.

The hardest part of having 2 legitimate QB's is how you allocate playing time. With Pickett's concussion history, I don't think its unreasonable to think that our QB2 could see multiple starts again this year.

Once again I'm not actually advocating for this and the Steelers would never consider it, but its something fun to toss around.

 

[Peat]

Every player has bust potential, man. I don't know what JPJ has done to some people, but he doesn't have any higher potential of busting than anyone that has been taken already. And to boot, he's legitimately one of the top 3 guys left on the board. He should be gone already. To be mad if he's taken is kinda spoiled brat-ish.

Not sure I agree. I don't recall many of the first rounder profiles talking about bust potential. I know some people see Porter as really safe due to his size and physicality... me, I can see him struggling to live with WRs who can really move unless he gets hands on them, which is potentially a quick way to pick up a lot of flags.

Yeah, he is consensus top 3 left (excluding QBs), but I've always struggled with the idea that he belonged in the mid-1st. For me, he's a guy who's at the top of the second tier of prospects... I don't think there's much between him and, say, Drew Sanders.

Some of this is a little overboard and due to the steady chanting of his name in the media, but I think being a little down on him is legit.

Put it this way - if they decide they're sticking with 32 because Brian Branch will have more impact than the haul, I will be on board. I want the haul but Branch feels a legit half-tier above a lot of the names here. Porter... not so on board. Very split.

 

[Josey Wales]

Jeremy Fowler
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Four teams have engaged the #Steelers with legitimate interest in trading for the No. 32 pick, per sources. Pittsburgh would need an aggressive offer to move off the pick, given the talent available to it should the Steelers stay put.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Yeah, I watched highlights of Porter and it screamed nothing special.

Branch was the opposite.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Jeremy Fowler
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Four teams have engaged the #Steelers with legitimate interest in trading for the No. 32 pick, per sources. Pittsburgh would need an aggressive offer to move off the pick, given the talent available to it should the Steelers stay put.

Lions
Titans
Seahawks
Raiders

Would be my guesses

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Every player has bust potential, man. I don't know what JPJ has done to some people, but he doesn't have any higher potential of busting than anyone that has been taken already.

He could be very good. He has potential and is a good football player.

but it’s very very scary that a guy who really isn’t good at zone and needs to be a press man corner needs to grab and hang all over (basically maul) his man in space like he does. He is overly reliant on being all over guys with his hands.

He’s good value at this spot and has the ability to be a good CB but basically I am afraid of what he looks like if you made him play with his hands tied behind his back.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Yeah, I watched highlights of Porter and it screamed nothing special.

Branch was the opposite.

Teams didn’t throw his way a ton. Hard to have some crazy highlight package when that’s the case. It’ll be a bunch of him running around on the hip of receivers, haha.

 

[OnMyOwn]

He could be very good. He has potential and is a good football player.

but it’s very very scary that a guy who really isn’t good at zone and needs to be a press man corner needs to grab and hang all over (basically maul) his man in space like he does. He is overly reliant on being all over guys with his hands.

He’s good value at this spot and has the ability to be a good CB but basically I am afraid of what he looks like if you made him play with his hands tied behind his back.

He played plenty of zone and actually grades well there, too. He allowed less than 150 yards receiving all season and only gave up like 15 receptions. It was a decent jump stat wise from the year before when he was still being considered one of the top CB in this draft class. So he only got better.

I dunno, I don’t really have a preference with who we take but I’m not gonna shit on the guy, either way.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

...and to be fair, that would be a massive overpayment. It would essentially be two 2nd's and a 4th this year for 32.

Not saying crazy things aren't possible, but that's a lot of capital. I think a 2 and a 3 is fair for 32. Detroit's 48 and 81 would get them to 32. So if a 1st next year is involved we would just be getting 81.


Every player has bust potential, man. I don't know what JPJ has done to some people, but he doesn't have any higher potential of busting than anyone that has been taken already. And to boot, he's legitimately one of the top 3 guys left on the board. He should be gone already. To be mad if he's taken is kinda spoiled brat-ish.

I don’t think Porter has to have done anything to ppl for there to be major concerns.

To me he’s in the same class as Ringo (the scare the f*** out of me class).

Ringo doesn’t have a dad who played for the Steelers, so you don’t have a bunch of ppl believing he’s destined to be a Steeler.

If he did, I’d be worried as hell about him being their pick as well.

I’ve already expressed a lot of concerns about Ringo when his name was brought up, so it’s just really a matter of wanting guys with certain traits I don’t see in JPJ and Ringo.

 

[Peat]

I'm not actually suggesting that we should do this because KP8 showed me enough late in the year that I want to commit to him for at least another season.... but I'd wager most analysts have a higher grade on Levis than they did Pickett last year.

From a league wide value perspective, QB's are worth their weight in gold. "QB Factory" Philly took Hurts while they still had Wentz signed to a long term deal and was able to recoup a 1st round pick after it became clear that Wentz had regressed physically.

The hardest part of having 2 legitimate QB's is how you allocate playing time. With Pickett's concussion history, I don't think its unreasonable to think that our QB2 could see multiple starts again this year.

Once again I'm not actually advocating for this and the Steelers would never consider it, but its something fun to toss around.

Higher or similar, yeah. NFL website was marginally higher on Pickett. Jeremiah had Levis rated higher, but his write up on Pickett sounded better - I think overall rankings are a little hard to parse because the year affects things. Last year was a lot stronger up top for my money. This year... you'll see teams talking about how they had less than 15 1st round ratings. I think the Cowboys only had 11.

Thing about Levis is...

a) I love the QB factory idea, but I think you've got to space them out to get the best value from rookie contracts. Like say Pickett flames out in two years and you turn to the next guy... with Levis you'd only have one year of starting him before deciding on whether to extend him. Not ideal. You do it in 24 or 25, you get a lot more runway.

b) I just want no part of Levis. The only thing that intrigues me is he's got a really high S2 score. But other than that, I believe all the people saying Levis is all the QB tools on a guy who probably doesn't have the feel and mentality for the position. All those rifled passes when he needed to throw with touch. The little leaks about his bad draft process.

They've got Levis high because he's got all the tools if he puts it together, but those guys usually don't. They had Pickett low because they thought he'd hit his ceiling but you can already see analysts reversing themselves.

I'd be interested to see if they revisit the position next year. You could talk me into a late round flier on Haener depending on how things go.

Levis... eh.

 

[Flying Dego]

Lions
Titans
Seahawks
Raiders

Would be my guesses

Lions and Hawks are the only two I consider...and it'd cost them both 2nds.

They'd have to be desperate but a bidding war could entice that.

Imagine having 3 2nds and only moving a couple spots back...

 

[WickedWrister]

Higher or similar, yeah. NFL website was marginally higher on Pickett. Jeremiah had Levis rated higher, but his write up on Pickett sounded better - I think overall rankings are a little hard to parse because the year affects things. Last year was a lot stronger up top for my money. This year... you'll see teams talking about how they had less than 15 1st round ratings. I think the Cowboys only had 11.

Thing about Levis is...

a) I love the QB factory idea, but I think you've got to space them out to get the best value from rookie contracts. Like say Pickett flames out in two years and you turn to the next guy... with Levis you'd only have one year of starting him before deciding on whether to extend him. Not ideal. You do it in 24 or 25, you get a lot more runway.

b) I just want no part of Levis. The only thing that intrigues me is he's got a really high S2 score. But other than that, I believe all the people saying Levis is all the QB tools on a guy who probably doesn't have the feel and mentality for the position. All those rifled passes when he needed to throw with touch. The little leaks about his bad draft process.

They've got Levis high because he's got all the tools if he puts it together, but those guys usually don't. They had Pickett low because they thought he'd hit his ceiling but you can already see analysts reversing themselves.

I'd be interested to see if they revisit the position next year. You could talk me into a late round flier on Haener depending on how things go.

Levis... eh.

Yeah, all great and fair points. I guess I'm just not of the mindset that we should totally remove QB from our draft board because of Kenny....yet.

It's more about the idea of continuing to buy lotto tickets at the most valuable position until it becomes clear you've got a franchise guy. Hell, look at Josh Rosen. Was one of the worst statistical QB's in the league during his ~13 starts and the Cards were still able to get a 2nd for him after the season. Thats how thirsty the league is for QB's.

 

[Flying Dego]

Yeah, that is way too much for the Lions to move up two spots.

The Steelers moved up 3 spots in the first and only gave up a 4th. The Lions could just stay put and draft Levis or Hooker if the Steelers stay put.

Different scenarios. Pats gave us that pick confident they'd get the play they wanted and stop their division rival Jets from getting a LT for Rodgers.

We have the top pick on day 2 with several teams calling. You tell them 2 2nds or we keep the pick. No sweat either way for us.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Lions and Hawks are the only two I consider...and it'd cost them both 2nds.

They'd have to be desperate but a bidding war could entice that.

Imagine having 3 2nds and only moving a couple spots back...

Then you will be disappointed because that will never happen.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I don’t think Porter has to have done anything to ppl for there to be major concerns.

To me he’s in the same class as Ringo (the scare the f*** out of me class).

Ringo doesn’t have a dad who played for the Steelers, so you don’t have a bunch of ppl believing he’s destined to be a Steeler.

If he did, I’d be worried as hell about him being their pick as well.

I’ve already expressed a lot of concerns about Ringo when his name was brought up, so it’s just really a matter of wanting guys with certain traits I don’t see in JPJ and Ringo.

What exactly scares you? I really like Porter, I simply think Branch will make more of an immediate impact. It comes down to the coaching and scouts who they choose. But don't be surprised by a curveball like Washington or a OLB.

 

[Flying Dego]

Then you will be disappointed because that will never happen.

Nope I'm thrilled to keep #32.

 

[Andy99]

If the Steelers can get an additional second or even an early third, they absolutely should move down…even a second next year

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Don’t love Levis but QBs are so hard to project.. would anyone really be shocked if he looks like Herbert lol?

His college coach made some sound points in his favor here

The "I Can Fix Him" Era of QB Scouting Is Alive and Well—Especially in This Draft Class

Toolsy, unpolished quarterback prospects were once seen as massive risks. Now, it’s becoming riskier not to take them. What caused this change? And what does it mean for Anthony Richardson and Will Levis?

www.theringer.com

If you’re a team that could use a QB it was probably more preferable at the end of round 1 but it’s not as scary in early round 2 if he ends up sucking.

 

[xlm34]

They could always trade back from 49 if they stay at 32.

Obviously takes two to make it happen, but looking at the trade value charts, trading 49 could bring back a late second, fourth, and 5th.

 

[Coastal Kev]

If the Steelers can get an additional second or even an early third, they absolutely should move down…even a second next year

Not if they absolutely love someone that's currently sitting near the top of best available. For all we know, they Porter or Branch rated immediately after Jones. If that's the case, they aren't trading for anything.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, all great and fair points. I guess I'm just not of the mindset that we should totally remove QB from our draft board because of Kenny....yet.

It's more about the idea of continuing to buy lotto tickets at the most valuable position until it becomes clear you've got a franchise guy. Hell, look at Josh Rosen. Was one of the worst statistical QB's in the league during his ~13 starts and the Cards were still able to get a 2nd for him after the season. Thats how thirsty the league is for QB's.

I am totally on board with never removing QB. Garoppolo is an example of how a team with a franchise QB can still gain value by drafting a QB as an option then moving on. Purdy is an example of how a back up can keep a team alive. Possibly a bit rare but the chase after a Super Bowl is a rare thing anyway; you're looking for long shots to pay out all the way.

Just not today.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Teams didn’t throw his way a ton. Hard to have some crazy highlight package when that’s the case. It’ll be a bunch of him running around on the hip of receivers, haha.

Look at these highlights, misleadingly entitled "Joey Porter Jr. a Future Pro Bowl CB?" and tell me if he stands out. It is only a couple of minutes but even in highlights you watch and say meh:



What he does have is ideal size. That he utilizes very well. But there is a reason he is so handsy. He simply does not have that next level dynamic athleticism and utilizes his size and reach to make up the difference. If anything this will show more in the pros when he faces amazing receivers every game.

I am not saying bust. He can carve out a career. I do not see future All-Pro though.

Now look at Branch and compare: