OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[xlm34]

Lol, lmao even

Tyler Huntley being selected to the pro bowl was when I realized that pro bowl selections no longer mean anything.

 

[WickedWrister]

Tyler Huntley being selected to the pro bowl was when I realized that pro bowl selections no longer mean anything.

 

[End of Line]

I think it may be a good idea for them to back up if they can get two 2nds.


THere's tape!



There are a ton of 3-techs in this draft. We need to walk out with 1, preferably 2.



Oh man...we need that!

My jaw dropped during that game last year when he ran him down. Not quite Larry Allen chasing you down but damn near close.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Arians took all the risk-taking with him when he left the building. He was an incredible counter-weight to Tomlin’s risk aversion… but lost the power struggle and you see where the franchise is now.

Arians: 6-3 an postseason as a head coach and 5-3 as a Steelers OC (plus damn near won as CLE OC with Kelly Holcomb vs a superior Steelers team).

Steelers with Ben, after Arians: 3-6 in postseason

I’m 99% sure Tomlin knows you need a good QB and dynamic offense to win in todays game.

But he knows the only way to protect his worthless winning streak is to play good D and conservative on offense to eek out wins.

He knows Marty Ball will always give him the best chance to keep that streak going.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I’m 99% sure Tomlin knows you need a good QB and dynamic offense to win in todays game.

But he knows the only way to protect his worthless winning streak is to play good D and conservative on offense to eek out wins.

He knows Marty Ball will always give him the best chance to keep that streak going.

It also keeps the team interesting til the end of the year which is all ARII cares about. Thus, is why they are tied to the hip.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I’m 99% sure Tomlin knows you need a good QB and dynamic offense to win in todays game.

But he knows the only way to protect his worthless winning streak is to play good D and conservative on offense to eek out wins.

He knows Marty Ball will always give him the best chance to keep that streak going.

AR said yesterday running and defense can still win in the playoffs

 

[xlm34]

Arians took all the risk-taking with him when he left the building. He was an incredible counter-weight to Tomlin’s risk aversion… but lost the power struggle and you see where the franchise is now.

Arians: 6-3 an postseason as a head coach and 5-3 as a Steelers OC (plus damn near won as CLE OC with Kelly Holcomb vs a superior Steelers team).

Steelers with Ben, after Arians: 3-6 in postseason

What power struggle? We can blame Tomlin for a lot, but Arians leaving isn’t one of them. That came from AR2.

 

[Andy99]

AR said yesterday running and defense can still win in the playoffs

AR is Sgt Schultz…lol

 

[JTG]

My jaw dropped during that game last year when he ran him down. Not quite Larry Allen chasing you down but damn near close.

That is really amazing. I would lose it if we drafted him.

Imagine them grabbing a guy like Deone Walker later to play end lol. I gotta stop.

 

[Shockmaster]

AR said yesterday running and defense can still win in the playoffs

Well if the almighty Arthur Rooney II said it, God forbid anyone disagree!

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well if the almighty Arthur Rooney II said it, God forbid anyone disagree!

Guys owns the team it doesn’t matter who disagrees with him lol

 

[JTG]

I guess the one upside we have going into next year is that in addition to our draft class this year, Fautanu and Wilson will be back. If this team is going to succeed they have to stop the run.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

AR said yesterday running and defense can still win in the playoffs

The Eagles just proved that so ya.

The difference is they can actually throw the ball when needed, ie Hurts in the championship game.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I’m 99% sure Tomlin knows you need a good QB and dynamic offense to win in todays game.

But he knows the only way to protect his worthless winning streak is to play good D and conservative on offense to eek out wins.

He knows Marty Ball will always give him the best chance to keep that streak going.

arians and lebeau being run out of town by this gang of fools should have tipped eveyone off.
Arians being mildly humiliated as a kicker
and imagine the type of people who believed the reasoning behind removing arians -- relationship too good with his QB, wants to score points too fast, too many risks ..... and ten years plus on from success and ten years plus of stifling, boring and losing play ... and they still think theya re right

they should study at some MBA program and psychiatry PHD program, the group-think, protectionism that has poisoned and rotted the Steelers

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Guys owns the team it doesn’t matter who disagrees with him lol

Yup kinda like Kim Jong who is infallible.


You win big games when your linebacker intercepts a pass in your own EZ at the first half whistle, and proceeds to return it 99 yards for a touchdown. For possibly the greatest defensive play in super bowl history. A 14 point turn.

You win games when your QB throws a pass into the back of the EZ at the buzzer. A pass with a 99% degree of difficulty and a 1% chance of success, and your receiver makes one of the greatest catches in the history of the super bowl. And this play wins the game.

This is how you beat a team thats less talented than you in the SB.

Game-planning, strategy, all that paperwork and video tapes and memorizing all those symbols and lines with arrows at the end of them - thats for shleps. Games are won in the trenches when your (well not technically "your") players, who have been put in a position to fail most of the game, perform acts of superhuman ability to win the game.

It worked once so therefore it is the way.

/sarcasm

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The Eagles just proved that so ya.

The difference is they can actually throw the ball when needed, ie Hurts in the championship game.

Yes after their bye the only game that Hurts attempted over 30 passes was against us. He averaged 26 attempts pee game and just 1 300 yard game all season. Just need to get a Barkley at rb and a top 3 offensive line

 

[pistolpete11]

What's en vogue in the NFL changes every so often. Now it's having a running game. Not that long ago it was QB's slinging the ball 60 times a game. It doesn't really matter to me, but I think constantly chasing the trends is a road to nowhere. Have a vision and build towards that vision. I'm fine with whatever that looks like.

However, there are some things that never go out of style. 1. Good QB play (obviously). 2. Winning the line of scrimmage. And what I think gets lost a lot, 3. Being well rounded. You can say you want to be a running team, but when the other team has a good defense and loads up the box, you need to be capable of throwing the ball, too. Exactly what the Eagles did to the Steelers. You can say you want to have a great defense, but you are eventually going to need to score points, too. Look at the Chiefs. 4th best defense in the league, but they needed to score 30+ to beat the Bills. It's the oldest saying in the book. Can't put all your eggs in one basket.

For the Steelers:

1. QB Play : I think they know this. Everyone and their mother knows this. It's just easier said than done and I don't think Tomlin knows how to develop a QB.

2. Line of scrimmage : They forgot this for a long time, but I think Khan has taken some big steps in addressing it. Cautiously optimistic.

3. Well rounded : A little more up in the air on this one. Khan obviously failed miserably giving them a chance at a decent passing game with the WR situation this year, but I think he realizes it and that's why he was hard after a few guys throughout the season. Somewhat hopeful there. However, they had the highest paid defense and their biggest FA signing was a MLB.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yes after their bye the only game that Hurts attempted over 30 passes was against us. He averaged 26 attempts pee game and just 1 300 yard game all season. Just need to get a Barkley at rb and a top 3 offensive line

Philly got to the SB on stout D and running the ball, KC got to the SB because they have Mahomes.

I don’t think KC has missed a championship game since Mahomes became the starter.

When you look at the SB winning QBs the last 20 years, only Foles wasn’t considered a franchise guy.

So ya you can get to a SB with an elite D and elite running game, but the overwhelming odds tell us you better have a franchise guy if you want to get a Lombardi.

The Steelers have neither an elite D or elite running game, and Tomlin and AR2 have been screaming about that is their formula to win for what… 5-6 years now?

So basically they can’t develop QBs and have no clue how to build a dominant run game.

And comically Tomlin puts all his resources into building an elite D, and every playoffs his D sets new embarrassing franchise records.

So what exactly can Tomlin develop, I’d be interesting in what exactly that is.

 

[JTG]

January 29th and the exact same staff is present after giving up 300 yards rushing to their bitter rival in a playoff game.

The Chiefs are at the point in Madden franchise when you would play so much much with the same team that you think to yourself, "there is no way I go to 12 AFC championship games and with 3 Super Bowls in a row. I'm starting over." The league that has fought so hard for parity has none.

Tyler Warren would look awesome there. That dude from Bowling Green would also be decent I think.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Edelman speaks

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“You knew exactly what they were doing,. And they still do what they did. They still do the same goddamn shit when I was playing Tomlin’s defense. I’m like, ‘We still have linebackers covering the three slot? Every time we play Steelers, I have at least nine catches. You would think that they would change it. But no, they do what they do.”

...

“They’re well-coached,” Edelman said.

...

“They don’t make mistakes,” he said. “They don’t lose a lot of games.”

“And then we beat them in the playoffs.”


Obviously.

I've long argued Tomlin is a lazy coach. There have been reports in recent years that he is well known for not putting in the same hours as his peers. When we get a glimpse into his game planning, it's that he watches the last "quarter" of film on a team. The last 4 games.

Players have commented on how the defense has been simplified over the years so guys make fewer mistakes. Which sounds OK-ish on paper, but isn't even really true because we end up living with massive defensive breakdowns at the end of every season due to poor communication...supposedly. We get late season collapses and playoff blowouts as later in the year every team knows the Steelers tendencies and seemingly does a better job of breaking their own mold (better self-scouting).

Add to this a complete lack of interest or curiosity towards analytics.

Tomlin is sort of the worst of both worlds. He's a micromanager who also happens to be lazy. When Cowher finally broke through in 2005, he admitted that it was in large part to not interfering with his coordinators. He let them f***ing coordinate.

I know how 2006 went, but we'd probably be talking about a Steelers dynasty if Cowher didn't retire instead of what could have been.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

January 29th and the exact same staff is present after giving up 300 yards rushing to their bitter rival in a playoff game.

Art said it was because they blew up their gap assignments so I fully expect that DL and LB coach who’s contract is up to not be brought back. I wanted McCarthy as vrabael type and solak as a passing coordinator over sulivan

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

January 29th and the exact same staff is present after giving up 300 yards rushing to their bitter rival in a playoff game.

Name the last coach to be fired with term on their contract outside of Matt Canada?
Who I'll note, was only fired bc the fans were screaming it at Steelers games and Penguins games AND it became a meme

I'll say it for the billionth time- they don't fire coaches, they merely let contracts expire.

 

[pistolpete11]

Edelman speaks

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“You knew exactly what they were doing,. And they still do what they did. They still do the same goddamn shit when I was playing Tomlin’s defense. I’m like, ‘We still have linebackers covering the three slot? Every time we play Steelers, I have at least nine catches. You would think that they would change it. But no, they do what they do.”

...

“They’re well-coached,” Edelman said.

...

“They don’t make mistakes,” he said. “They don’t lose a lot of games.”

“And then we beat them in the playoffs.”


Obviously.

I've long argued Tomlin is a lazy coach. There have been reports in recent years that he is well known for not putting in the same hours as his peers. When we get a glimpse into his game planning, it's that he watches the last "quarter" of film on a team. The last 4 games.

Players have commented on how the defense has been simplified over the years so guys make fewer mistakes. Which sounds OK-ish on paper, but isn't even really true because we end up living with massive defensive breakdowns at the end of every season due to poor communication...supposedly. We get late season collapses and playoff blowouts as later in the year every team knows the Steelers tendencies and seemingly does a better job of breaking their own mold (better self-scouting).

Add to this a complete lack of interest or curiosity towards analytics.

Tomlin is sort of the worst of both worlds. He's a micromanager who also happens to be lazy. When Cowher finally broke through in 2005, he admitted that it was in large part to not interfering with his coordinators. He let them f***ing coordinate.

I know how 2006 went, but we'd probably be talking about a Steelers dynasty if Cowher didn't retire instead of what could have been.

It works for him because he prioritizes NHALS above winning playoff games.

 

[Pens1566]

Even Edelman gets it. And he's a dolt.