OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[ChaosAgent]

Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

 

[xlm34]

Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

He may not be but Ewers/Manning was as much of a QB competition as the ones the Steelers have pretended to have recently.

 

[JTG]

Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

Because Ewers was senior and did nothing to lose the job. Ewers was a top 3 prospect himself coming out of high school. Both dudes had similar grades and pedigree. I think Arch is a much better prospect, but Ewers is a good player in his own right. Not sure how it's going to work in the NFL for him though. He is either going to flourish or quickly fizzle.

The ball I have seen of Arch, I would safely say whatever year he comes out, he's at least top 5, and I think there will be some real talk of him being the next generational guy. Some are already saying that, but I need to see more ball.

 

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Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

Simply because of his last name.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

Ewers kept his job because Texas invested huge $'s in him. You might not think that matters... trying being a coach and explaining you crapped the bed.

 

[JTG]

Simply because of his last name.

Ehhh.

Why do we assume that Arch is the second coming? He couldn't beat out Ewers, who is no great shakes himself.

In his farewell message to Quinn Ewers, Steve Sarkisian explains why he was always ahead of Arch Manning.

In a poignant farewell message to Quinn Ewers, Steve Sarkisian, head coach of the University of Texas Longhorns, provided...

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[Mr Jiggyfly]

I fully expected him to stay until 27. No reason not to.

Arch doesn't have to rush to get to his career. He's good regardless. What a life.

Being born into football royalty with your grandfather and two uncles being good- great NFL QBs would be something.

You’d have to try real hard to f*** that kind of life up.

 

[JTG]

Being born into football royalty with your grandfather and two uncles being good- great NFL QBs would be something.

You’d have to try real hard to f*** that kind of life up.

And to his credit...he's not. He's honestly Sid levels of buttoned up.

 

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Ehhh.

In his farewell message to Quinn Ewers, Steve Sarkisian explains why he was always ahead of Arch Manning.

In a poignant farewell message to Quinn Ewers, Steve Sarkisian, head coach of the University of Texas Longhorns, provided...

nbcsport.co.uk

Most of the hype around him is last name. Will he develop under Sark? Yes. But we also watched a former #1 qb recruit stagnate as well. It’s honestly a crap shoot right now. Hell, by 2027 Julian Sayin might be the #1 qb in College. We just don’t know.

 

[JTG]

Most of the hype around him is last name. Will he develop under Sark? Yes. But we also watched a former #1 qb recruit stagnate as well. It’s honestly a crap shoot right now. Hell, by 2027 Julian Sayin might be the #1 qb in College. We just don’t know.

Sure. You're absolutely correct. He does look like he has it though - physical, mentally, and intangibly.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Arch Manning looks intriguing, but, obviously, he hasn't played enough.

BTW; I agree with Doug Whaley. The organization is paralyzed by its past; fear of the unknown; unable/unwilling to change course when necessary. They seem to think 2005 happens every year.
The author of this story is lost. You don't get a franchise QB by being mediocre but not awful every year. You need a plan to get that guy and building a team around him to help him succeed; being 9-8/10-7 every year isn't it. You go into a rebuild by acquiring as many assets as possible (some will work out, some won't) by trading TJ Watt/Minkah Fitzpatrick, etc & hiring a competent head coach and coaching staff to develop this QB.

Jim Rooney, brother of Art II and son of Dan, on Ross Tucker's podcast this week, saying people want to burn the city down if the team went 3-14. If 3-14 would guarantee a franchise QB (and a competent HC and coaching staff, I think the city of Pittsburgh and the Steelers fan base would survive that. That whole family is delusional/in denial.

Former GM: 'Fear' Of Losing Season Prevents Steelers From Taking 'Three Steps Forward'

Mike Tomlin often says the Pittsburgh Steelers don’t live in their fears, but one former GM suggests their current state of purgatory can be boiled down to just that—fear. “The thinking should be let’s build a championship competing team, a team that can consistently compete for championships,”...

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[ChaosAgent]

If Arch = Eli Manning, he is still just a middling quarterback in today's NFL. Off the top of my head, the following are better than prime Eli:

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Jackson
Daniels
Hurts
Love
Herbert
Stroud

And the following are close:
Williams or Maye year 2
Stafford
Prescott
Purdy
Mayfield

I am cool to go all in on a QB in the 26 draft, I just wouldn't anoint Arch as that guy.

 

[xlm34]

Arch Manning looks intriguing, but, obviously, he hasn't played enough.

BTW; I agree with Doug Whaley. The organization is paralyzed by its past; fear of the unknown; unable/unwilling to change course when necessary. They seem to think 2005 happens every year.
The author of this story is lost. You don't get a franchise QB by being mediocre but not awful every year. You need a plan to get that guy and building a team around him to help him succeed; being 9-8/10-7 every year isn't it. You go into a rebuild by acquiring as many assets as possible (some will work out, some won't) by trading TJ Watt/Minkah Fitzpatrick, etc & hiring a competent head coach and coaching staff to develop this QB.

Jim Rooney, brother of Art II and son of Dan, on Ross Tucker's podcast this week, saying people want to burn the city down if the team went 3-14. If 3-14 would guarantee a franchise QB (and a competent HC and coaching staff, I think the city of Pittsburgh and the Steelers fan base would survive that. That whole family is delusional/in denial.

Former GM: 'Fear' Of Losing Season Prevents Steelers From Taking 'Three Steps Forward'

Mike Tomlin often says the Pittsburgh Steelers don’t live in their fears, but one former GM suggests their current state of purgatory can be boiled down to just that—fear. “The thinking should be let’s build a championship competing team, a team that can consistently compete for championships,”...

steelersdepot.com

If it guaranteed it sure, but it doesn’t. I’m just not a massive fan of this team trying to tank. If it happens so be it, but even if you sell off everyone, you need to:

1.) Hope that you’re actually bad enough to get a top pick.

2.) Hope there’s a QB prospect worthy of taking with a top pick.

3.) Hope that QB is capable of overcoming the terrible roster that got you the top pick.

I’m not opposed to selling off some guys to pick up assets but I think maintaining a somewhat competitive roster and being very aggressive when the opportunity presents itself is the way I’d prefer this team to go.

 

[JTG]

Arch Manning looks intriguing, but, obviously, he hasn't played enough.

BTW; I agree with Doug Whaley. The organization is paralyzed by its past; fear of the unknown; unable/unwilling to change course when necessary. They seem to think 2005 happens every year.
The author of this story is lost. You don't get a franchise QB by being mediocre but not awful every year. You need a plan to get that guy and building a team around him to help him succeed; being 9-8/10-7 every year isn't it. You go into a rebuild by acquiring as many assets as possible (some will work out, some won't) by trading TJ Watt/Minkah Fitzpatrick, etc & hiring a competent head coach and coaching staff to develop this QB.

Jim Rooney, brother of Art II and son of Dan, on Ross Tucker's podcast this week, saying people want to burn the city down if the team went 3-14. If 3-14 would guarantee a franchise QB (and a competent HC and coaching staff, I think the city of Pittsburgh and the Steelers fan base would survive that. That whole family is delusional/in denial.

Former GM: 'Fear' Of Losing Season Prevents Steelers From Taking 'Three Steps Forward'

Mike Tomlin often says the Pittsburgh Steelers don’t live in their fears, but one former GM suggests their current state of purgatory can be boiled down to just that—fear. “The thinking should be let’s build a championship competing team, a team that can consistently compete for championships,”...

steelersdepot.com

Their belief of what the city thinks is actually the exact opposite. If they bomb this year and trade anything that isn't nailed down for the draft here, to reload in 26 and 27, then this really isn't reasonable to watch because it's just watching t he same bit of insanity over and over.

If Arch = Eli Manning, he is still just a middling quarterback in today's NFL. Off the top of my head, the following are better than prime Eli:

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Jackson
Daniels
Hurts
Love
Herbert
Stroud

And the following are close:
Williams or Maye year 2
Stafford
Prescott
Purdy
Mayfield

I am cool to go all in on a QB in the 26 draft, I just wouldn't anoint Arch as that guy.

Well yeah...he's only going into his junior year of college and hasn't started yet. You're confusing two things here.

 

[Shockmaster]

Member Of Rooney Family Doesn't Blame Mike Tomlin For Lack Of Playoff Success: 'It's An Organization Issue'

The Rooney family already cranking out the lame excuses not to fire Tomlin.

 

[JTG]

Arch is the 20th ranked prospect ever by 247. Notable mentions ahead of him - Quinn Ewers, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Fields.

So if we want to talk about pedigree - we actually have one in house. Time to let him shit or get off the pot.

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Member Of Rooney Family Doesn't Blame Mike Tomlin For Lack Of Playoff Success: 'It's An Organization Issue'

The Rooney family already cranking out the lame excuses not to fire Tomlin.

What a loser mentality. Business man, not a football guy. We are doomed until he is gone. The squander left behind the last 10 years.

 

[Shockmaster]

Arch is the 20th ranked prospect ever by 247. Notable mentions ahead of him - Quinn Ewers, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Fields.

So if we want to talk about pedigree - we actually have one in house. Time to let him shit or get off the pot.

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What a loser mentality. Business man, not a football guy. We are doomed until he is gone. The squander left behind the last 10 years.

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Have to hope Art's son, having not been alive during the 70's, has no misplaced sense of loyalty to that era and can finally bring the organization into the 21st century. If not, the team will never even come close to a championship under the ownership of the Rooney family again.

 

[JTG]

Have to hope Art's son, having not been alive during the 70's, has no misplaced sense of loyalty to that era and can finally bring the organization into the 21st century. If not, the team will never even come close to a championship under the ownership of the Rooney family again.

I think what Dan M brings is the same thing his grandfather did - he's a football guy...he knows and loves the game. He's coached, worked in scouting, and evaluated talented. From what I have heard they just sent him to get a business degree at UPenn so now he is getting acclimated to the business side of the house. Rumors I hear are that in the next 2 years it's going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked if Art 2 uses that draft in PGH as a natural hand off honestly.