OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[MrBrightside]

The average weight of an OT in the NFL isn't anywhere close to 320.

He's way more than 265 - there was a video of the locker room lol'ing when someone told them he was listed at 265.

He's a TE and he blocks already.

No one is saying he's an answer to anything. He'd need to gain 20 pounds which a man that size can do very easily. He needs mass, not muscle. He's not an answer at TE either.


If Moore leaves and lights it up...eyes need to be wide open.

Yes it is.

Is there a place in the NFL for the heaviest of the heavy on the offensive line?

A look at the NFL careers, or lack thereof, for the heaviest guards and tackles from the NFL combine 2000-2022

www.milehighreport.com

Average Size of NFL Players by Position - 1950-Present

Pretty interesting Deadspin Article

www.huskerboard.com

But ok. We'll make a backup TE who's never played OT (or OL at all) into a tackle and pretend he's the solution if Jones flops as BigDaddy started this whole discussion:

It usually takes 3 years for a nfl o line men to develop. If he busts ok move Troy to LT and put Washington at RT. They have year 3 and 4 to decide on his 5th year option. He still is going to have to invest in himself to get better in the off season.

 

[JTG]

Yes it is.

Is there a place in the NFL for the heaviest of the heavy on the offensive line?

A look at the NFL careers, or lack thereof, for the heaviest guards and tackles from the NFL combine 2000-2022

www.milehighreport.com

Average Size of NFL Players by Position - 1950-Present

Pretty interesting Deadspin Article

www.huskerboard.com

But ok. We'll make a backup TE who's never played OT (or OL at all) into a tackle and pretend he's the solution if Jones flops as BigDaddy started this whole discussion:

It usually takes 3 years for a nfl o line men to develop. If he busts ok move Troy to LT and put Washington at RT. They have year 3 and 4 to decide on his 5th year option. He still is going to have to invest in himself to get better in the off season.

It's 314 for G and 315 for T.

He has been a blocker though. This isn't foreign lol. He works in tandem with a T now being a TE.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

It's 314 for G and 315 for T.

That's well within area semantics.....

 

[JTG]

That's well within area semantics.....

No it's not. To raise the AVERAGE to 320 would require a lot of guys to be heavier.

 

[MrBrightside]

It's 314 for G and 315 for T.

He has been a blocker though. This isn't foreign lol.

He's never been one-on-one blocking rush edges in the NFL. It's not even remotely close to the same thing. I'll move on from this as we'll agree to disagree - I'll bet an avatar for life that he's never an OT in the NFL.

 

[JTG]

He's never been one-on-one blocking rush edges in the NFL. It's not even remotely close to the same thing. I'll move on from this as we'll agree to disagree - I'll bet an avatar for life that he's never an OT in the NFL.

I don't care enough lol.

 

[MrBrightside]

No it's not. To raise the AVERAGE to 320 would require a lot of guys to be heavier.

315 is 98.3% of 320. If that's "nowhere close" we have different definitions.

 

[JTG]

315 is 98.3% of 320. If that's "nowhere close" we have different definitions.

If you don't know data analysis then it would seem close. It's not. To bring the average weight to 320 you would need to have a way heavier top end or a way heavier bottom end. Either way...it doesn't matter.

 

[pistolpete11]

Ain't no way Washington is only 265 lb

Muth is listed at 258. Washington is only 7lbs heavier? Get the f*** outta here.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It's a Rorschach test and teams will see what they want to see, but the Eagles and Chiefs win because they have elite D's (and Mahomes in KC's case) and the final 4 QB's are 3 of the top 5 in the game plus Hurts who is behind the best OL with the best RB and the #1 D. I mean, if the Steelers look at that and think "yeah we're close" we're all doomed.


Posting an article that says he's really 270 and not 265 changes the analysis 0%.

I posted the article where Wilson said he was over 300 pounds

 

[Peat]

Yeah, pretty sure it was said last year that Washington was playing at 300 lbs.

I have no strong opinions either way as to whether they try Washington at OL or not. That's the sort of question that only an expert who sees them every day can answer and I ain't that guy.

Baltimore is the better team than Buffalo, but they shot themselves in the foot. +3 turnover differential and they needed a very bad drop to win the game. Sure, maybe they win it anyway, but it shouldn't be that close.

Still, could be a turning point for Buffalo. Typical they are in the position of "more talented team, but made some crucial mistakes". Particularly Allen. Maybe he's 'learned how to win' a la Maholmes. You don't need to be the hero. You need to win. Really looking forward to that game. I'm of course rooting for the Bills, which is essentially a death sentence for a football team this year, so...

Can't imagine Washington beating Philly . Rookie QB against that defense sounds like a disaster in the making. I'm a big Saquon fan, but my disgust for all things Philly overrides it. I hope he runs for 300 yards and they still lose.

 

[JTG]

Ain't no way Washington is only 265 lb

Muth is listed at 258. Washington is only 7lbs heavier? Get the f*** outta here.

I tried finding the video I was referencing above. But it was basically a LB talking about Washington blocking and the LB said, "When you have a 300 pound TE that can run like that..."

One of the media guys in the scrum said, "he's listed at 265," and the LB stopped and just starred at him.

 

[JTG]

Yeah, pretty sure it was said last year that Washington was playing at 300 lbs.

I have no strong opinions either way as to whether they try Washington at OL or not. That's the sort of question that only an expert who sees them every day can answer and I ain't that guy.

Jeesh. I'd like to see him win. I find Allen likable.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I was on board with the Washington to OT thing a year ago, but a couple things changed:

1) They now have 2 first round OTs. Those guys have to start and they have to work out. They probably get multiple years to sink or swim.
2) Washington became a usable/interesting player as a TE. I still think he was flawed and not a dynamic enough pass catcher, but he displayed more than enough intrigue as a developmental TE.

In short, I am down with continuing with Washington as a developmental TE. There's also a chance that we get him cheaply for his 2nd contract and then he explodes into a top TE, given his freakish size.

Jeesh. I'd like to see him win. I find Allen likable.

And he's also engaged to a famous person. Not T. Swift famous, but at least marketable in the unfathomable event that the NFL lets the not-Chiefs win.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I was on board with the Washington to OT thing a year ago, but a couple things changed:

1) They now have 2 first round OTs. Those guys have to start and they have to work out. They probably get multiple years to sink or swim.
2) Washington became a usable/interesting player as a TE. I still think he was flawed and not a dynamic enough pass catcher, but he displayed more than enough intrigue as a developmental TE.

In short, I am down with continuing with Washington as a developmental TE. There's also a chance that we get him cheaply for his 2nd contract and then he explodes into a top TE, given his freakish size.


And he's also engaged to a famous person. Not T. Swift famous, but at least marketable in the unfathomable event that the NFL lets the not-Chiefs win.

There’s a good chance they bring in another TE and it moves Washington closer to a goaline jumbo swing ot.
If your going to be 2 te 2 wr set 3 te offense you need multiple pass catchers at TE. Washington doesn’t really run. Larry Brown had a 14 year Steelers career as a te ot in the 70s. His knees aren’t great he isn’t fast he had less catches in college than Gentry in college

 

[pistolpete11]

I was on board with the Washington to OT thing a year ago, but a couple things changed:

1) They now have 2 first round OTs. Those guys have to start and they have to work out. They probably get multiple years to sink or swim.
2) Washington became a usable/interesting player as a TE. I still think he was flawed and not a dynamic enough pass catcher, but he displayed more than enough intrigue as a developmental TE.

In short, I am down with continuing with Washington as a developmental TE. There's also a chance that we get him cheaply for his 2nd contract and then he explodes into a top TE, given his freakish size.

Fautanu can play anywhere on the line and many people think he'll be better inside.

I don't think he will ever be even a starting TE, let alone a top TE. He's a blocking TE who can occasionally sneak out and catch a 5-10 yard pass only because the other team doesn't view him as a threat. If he ever became a legitimate threat, he'd be too easy to cover with how slow and lumbering he is. Not that there's no value in being a blocking TE, but a OT would be far more valuable.

 

[pistolpete11]

Yeah, pretty sure it was said last year that Washington was playing at 300 lbs.

It kind of makes me question:

a) why has he put on so much weight since his draft?
b) why are they being so secretive about it?

It's too forward thinking of this coaching staff to have already started this transition and just not told anyone, right?

 

[xlm34]

It kind of makes me question:

a) why has he put on so much weight since his draft?
b) why are they being so secretive about it?

It's too forward thinking of this coaching staff to have already started this transition and just not told anyone, right?

I think players just get into whatever shape they think will suit them best for the combine. So for Washington I’d imagine he tried to slim down a bit to test well and then once that was done went right back to whatever his playing weight was.

 

[pistolpete11]

I think players just get into whatever shape they think will suit them best for the combine. So for Washington I’d imagine he tried to slim down a bit to test well and then once that was done went right back to whatever his playing weight was.

Maybe, but if he's really over 300lbs, 35lbs is more than "get in peak shape". That's a body transformation.

 

[Peat]

It kind of makes me question:

a) why has he put on so much weight since his draft?
b) why are they being so secretive about it?

It's too forward thinking of this coaching staff to have already started this transition and just not told anyone, right?

a) Don't know but xlm's post makes sense
b) I don't think they really are tbh. Both coaches and players have said it. They say "I don't know if I'll get in trouble for saying this" but it felt jokey to me. They never update weights for anyone, so it's not like they're trying to smokescreen or anything.

I would be rather surprised if they were moving his position after Khan said they had zero plans to do so last off-season and staked a decent amount of his reputation on other guys working out there. I also reckon that when you see a guy who has all the physical attributes to pay a better paid position playing a different lesser paid one, there's probably a can't or won't component on their end too. He and his agent can go look at Over The Cap and spot that Kelce's contract doesn't even break the top 15 OT contracts, so why isn't he an OT already if he's willing and capable? Like why not go to college to be an OT?

Or DE, which he did play in high school along with TE. His combine testing is very similar to Trey Hendrickson. But he said his position was TE when he went to Georgia. Was open to playing both sides of the ball, but he was a TE.

You've got to imagine his agent has at least asked Washington these questions, right? So I don't know what reason there might be, but feels like there has to be one on Washington's end

 

[ChaosAgent]

Fautanu can play anywhere on the line and many people think he'll be better inside.

I don't think he will ever be even a starting TE, let alone a top TE. He's a blocking TE who can occasionally sneak out and catch a 5-10 yard pass only because the other team doesn't view him as a threat. If he ever became a legitimate threat, he'd be too easy to cover with how slow and lumbering he is. Not that there's no value in being a blocking TE, but a OT would be far more valuable.

I think Washington may need to keep growing into his body. What I am saying is that has room to improve as a pass catching TE and I think he could be a player who suddenly explodes at age 26-28. I don't think he's good at it now, but he was already much better in 2024 vs. 2023 in the passing game.

A transition to tackle seems like a multi-year affair.

I do agree with the weight principle though. He's closer to 315 than he is to 265 in reality.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Maybe, but if he's really over 300lbs, 35lbs is more than "get in peak shape". That's a body transformation.

He was probably burning 5000 calories per day from being an extremely active human being and also being at 300 lbs at a baseline. So if he just ate at 3500 calories per day he would just need 10 weeks to go from 300 --> 265. I think he's closer to 290 myself.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Maybe, but if he's really over 300lbs, 35lbs is more than "get in peak shape". That's a body transformation.

Not when you are 6'-7".

 

[xlm34]

Maybe, but if he's really over 300lbs, 35lbs is more than "get in peak shape". That's a body transformation.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he added some weight in the NFL but I’m thinking more like he went from something like 285-290 at Georgia to the 272 he weighed in at to the combine. Then back to the 290 he plays at and maybe a little extra once they told him they got him pretty much exclusively to block.

The 264 thing has gotta be a thing they did as a joke or something. There can’t be a soul that actually thinks he’s 264.

 

[Peat]

It wouldn’t surprise me if he added some weight in the NFL but I’m thinking more like he went from something like 285-290 at Georgia to the 272 he weighed in at to the combine. Then back to the 290 he plays at and maybe a little extra once they told him they got him pretty much exclusively to block.

The 264 thing has gotta be a thing they did as a joke or something. There can’t be a soul that actually thinks he’s 264.

Huh. I'd always assumed 264 was his combine weight because, well, why else would it be out there? But no, 272, as you said. Not that it makes a huge difference but still curious to me that it got out there.

In any case I think this sounds about right. Lose a little weight to run really fast speeds at the combine and generate buzz. Move back up to playing weight for the NFL. Then maybe gain a little more. 274 to to 300 lbs+ is only about a stone every year, that's not nothing but that's not like the dude is going berserk. I don't think it's like he gained 40 lbs in one off-season or something.

I think Washington may need to keep growing into his body. What I am saying is that has room to improve as a pass catching TE and I think he could be a player who suddenly explodes at age 26-28. I don't think he's good at it now, but he was already much better in 2024 vs. 2023 in the passing game.

A transition to tackle seems like a multi-year affair.

I do agree with the weight principle though. He's closer to 315 than he is to 265 in reality.

The problem here is that for him to improve as a pass catcher, he's going to have to improve as a route runner, and that's going to involve becoming a more agile, more explosive, better CoD athlete... and how many guys become that after so many years of a collision sport?