OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[T1K]

I know it’s hyperbolic to get upset about a backup QB signing, but WTF. This guy clearly sucks. Would much rather get a developmental player in the QB3/practice squad role.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think the biggest kick in the balls that I can remember is the Baltimore Ravens running for 299 yards in a playoff game. To me, that represents what I would consider basement floor. Far cry...

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Note ALL were Cowhers' players.

I know it’s hyperbolic to get upset about a backup QB signing, but WTF. This guy clearly sucks. Would much rather get a developmental player in the QB3/practice squad role.

Does that mean the end of Kyle Allen?
Unreal they wouldn't want Allen back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Feel free to say I'm reading into nothing here, but this sounds like "we know we need a QB" from Tomlin. Which I think you can reasonably infer but I would imagine he'd be praising Wilson or Fields if he was actually content with either going forward.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Feel free to say I'm reading into nothing here, but this sounds like "we know we need a QB" from Tomlin.

Which is why most people think the trade up in 26 go with Fields in 25. Maybe they fall in love with Dart Mccord this year

 

[Peat]

Does that mean the end of Kyle Allen?
Unreal they wouldn't want Allen back.

Hard to say but probably not necessarily. Looking at the list of guys signed to Reserve/Futures contracts, it doesn't read like many of them are going to be making the squad next year.

Steelers Sign 17 Players To Reserve/Future Contracts

The Pittsburgh Steelers have signed a a slew of players to Reserve/Future contracts as they build their offseason roster. Per the team, 17 players were signed to offseason contracts: DB Josh Bledsoe, OT Dylan Cook, DT Domenique Davis, LB Devin Harper, RB Evan Hull, DB D’Shawn Jamison, WR Brandon...

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Feel free to say I'm reading into nothing here, but this sounds like "we know we need a QB" from Tomlin. Which I think you can reasonably infer but I would imagine he'd be praising Wilson or Fields if he was actually content with either going forward.

I'm guessing that was in reply to a direct question about whether they needed to draft high to get a guy. Iirc he's praised Fields. I guess listening to the full presser would be the way to do it.

I was going to say "but of course he's aware" but I actually find it credible that he believes one or both of the following -

a) Wilson is a still a SB, PB QB who's just adjusting to Pittsburgh and an undertalented supporting cast and just you wait
b) Fields is still capable of developing into the guy and is as reasonable a bet as any young guy they can get (maybe true this draft)

 

[bigdaddyk88]

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[Double-Shift Lasse]

Which is why most people think the trade up in 26 go with Fields in 25. Maybe they fall in love with Dart Mccord this year

Personally (and keep in mind I watch very little CFB) I love Jackson Dart, but I have no idea if he is Patrick Mahomes nor Johnny Manziel.

 

[T1K]

Personally (and keep in mind I watch very little CFB) I love Jackson Dart, but I have no idea if he is Patrick Mahomes nor Johnny Manziel.

Neither; not a viable starting QB and you can’t even pretend like he is a Johnny Football type of outlier.

With the transfer portal who knows who will emerge as prospects in 2026 apart from Arch. One guy I’m intrigued by is John Mateer - he just transferred to Oklahoma as the #1 QB in the transfer portal rankings.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Skylar thompson lmao. We are a very unserious team

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Skylar thompson lmao. We are a very unserious team

Its a future contract like a practice squad

 

[Peat]

Personally (and keep in mind I watch very little CFB) I love Jackson Dart, but I have no idea if he is Patrick Mahomes nor Johnny Manziel.

I've been hearing about him for a while cos of his stats. I'm a bit leery of all the draft reports talking about processing/pressure problems, but I wouldn't hate him as a day 3 developmental guy.

 

[WickedWrister]

I've been hearing about him for a while cos of his stats. I'm a bit leery of all the draft reports talking about processing/pressure problems, but I wouldn't hate him as a day 3 developmental guy.

There's gonna be scheme concerns too, similar with Matt Corral in the 22 class. I think he could help himself with a good Senior Bowl.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Daniel Martin Rooney is his full name, which helps people make the distinction between he and his grandfather.

I agree his father is a clown that has ruined the reputation of this org, but his grandfather is the man who built the team into the revered franchise it used to be.

Dan had no problem telling a legendary coach like Noll to hit the road when the game passed him by - few people know that because Dan let Noll retire with dignity rather than fire him.

Unlike AR2, Dan had the courage to make tough calls and not only told Noll to beat it, he fired his own brother when he felt he was holding back the org.

So I suppose the fate of the franchise greatly depends on which of the two he takes after.

I agree. Dan Rooney (the grandfather) had the balls to do the right thing. Had always heard that Dan wanted Noll to change coaches on the staff after 1988; Noll reluctantly agreed. After 1991, Dan wanted more changes to the coaching staff; Noll said "I'm done" (Noll's health issues began not long after he retired, so how much longer would he have coached had Dan not pushed him out is debatable). This franchise misses Dan Rooney much more than anyone could imagine.

Art II has run this franchise into the ground. The top franchises are laughing at them, but Art II doesn't care, he lives in a cocoon, happy to collect the revenue from the National NFL TV deals and go 10-8 every year, maybe a Wild Card appearance in which they get blown out. He's just trying to live off the family legacy that Art Sr and Dan built; hasn't done a damn thing since he took over. He would rather be proven right than to do the right thing (Tomlin is the same way).

Isn't there anyone in that family (Rooney's or the MacGinleys) or the minority partners asking Art II; "What the bleep are you doing are you doing to this franchise? This is one of the NFL's legendary franchises, you're bleeping it up."

Dan the son, is learning from Art II, the father. I'm skeptical much of anything will be different when Dan III takes over, whenever that is. I hope I'm wrong, but I've been following this team for too long.....Lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I agree. Dan Rooney (the grandfather) had the balls to do the right thing. Had always heard that Dan wanted Noll to change coaches on the staff after 1988; Noll reluctantly agreed. After 1991, Dan wanted more changes to the coaching staff; Noll said "I'm done" (Noll's health issues began not long after he retired, so how much longer would he have coached had Dan not pushed him out is debatable). This franchise misses Dan Rooney much more than anyone could imagine.

Art II has run this franchise into the ground. The top franchises are laughing at them, but Art II doesn't care, he lives in a cocoon, happy to collect the revenue from the National NFL TV deals and go 10-8 every year, maybe a Wild Card appearance in which they get blown out. He's just trying to live off the family legacy that Art Sr and Dan built; hasn't done a damn thing since he took over. He would rather be proven right than to do the right thing (Tomlin is the same way).

Isn't there anyone in that family (Rooney's or the MacGinleys) or the minority partners asking Art II; "What the bleep are you doing are you doing to this franchise? This is one of the NFL's legendary franchises, you're bleeping it up."

Dan the son, is learning from Art II, the father. I'm skeptical much of anything will be different when Dan III takes over, whenever that is. I hope I'm wrong, but I've been following this team for too long.....Lol

As long as the Dynamic Duo of Failure remain in control of this org, I have zero doubt they will continue to stain the legacy Dan Rooney built.

There is zero doubt in my mind Tomlin is a fraud, and he’s proven that again and again for the last 15 years.

AR2 is a coward and nothing like his father, who again had balls to make big decisions when the time came.

So we are on the same page so far.

However where we disagree is on DMR.

Yes AR2 has proven to be an incompetent owner like his namesake - Art Rooney was a shitty owner that had no clue how to build a roster and the Steelers were a laughingstock under his thumb.

Dan wasn’t like his father though right?

He wasn’t content to watch the org be a laughingstock and he turned himself into arguably the most influential owner in NFL history.

Just as Dan wasn’t like his father, we can always try to find hope that DMR isn’t like his.

If we can’t do that - why even bother anymore TBTH?

Maybe Rooneys named Dan are good luck for this franchise and Rooneys named Art are bad luck.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[wheelz87]

Neither; not a viable starting QB and you can’t even pretend like he is a Johnny Football type of outlier.

With the transfer portal who knows who will emerge as prospects in 2026 apart from Arch. One guy I’m intrigued by is John Mateer - he just transferred to Oklahoma as the #1 QB in the transfer portal rankings.

Who knows pro wise but mateer is gonna BALL OUT at Oklahoma next year.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

As long as the Dynamic Duo of Failure remain in control of this org, I have zero doubt they will continue to stain the legacy Dan Rooney built.

There is zero doubt in my mind Tomlin is a fraud, and he’s proven that again and again for the last 15 years.

AR2 is a coward and nothing like his father, who again had balls to make big decisions when the time came.

So we are on the same page so far.

However where we disagree is on DMR.

Yes AR2 has proven to be an incompetent owner like his namesake - Art Rooney was a shitty owner that had no clue how to build a roster and the Steelers were a laughingstock under his thumb.

Dan wasn’t like his father though right?

He wasn’t content to watch the org be a laughingstock and he turned himself into arguably the most influential owner in NFL history.

Just as Dan wasn’t like his father, we can always try to find hope that DMR isn’t like his.

If we can’t do that - why even bother anymore TBTH?

Maybe Rooneys named Dan are good luck for this franchise and Rooneys named Art are bad luck.

You have a point with Art Sr., we tend to overlook that since he was held in high regard and the team did start winning those Super Bowls in the 1970s. He kept hiring his drinking buddies to be the coach and it never worked out. The team only began to gain credibility after Dan took over the franchise in the 1960s; they stopped trading multiple early picks for has beens and/or never was's.

I guess I'm just cynical; hopefully Dan III has learned from Art II about what not to do. Wait and see.

Tomlin has been a fraud, but unfortunately Art II doesn't see it and the media/some in this fan base keep lapping it up like he's God's greatest gift to football coaching.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You have a point with Art Sr., we tend to overlook that since he was held in high regard and the team did start winning those Super Bowls in the 1970s. He kept hiring his drinking buddies to be the coach and it never worked out. The team only began to gain credibility after Dan took over the franchise in the 1960s; they stopped trading multiple early picks for has beens and/or never was's.

I guess I'm just cynical; hopefully Dan III has learned from Art II about what not to do. Wait and see.

Tomlin has been a fraud, but unfortunately Art II doesn't see it and the media/some in this fan base keep lapping it up like he's God's greatest gift to football coaching.

I’ve never seen anything like this in NA sports where a coach can fail for this long and the owner and national media completely ignore the obvious.

It’s beyond bizarre at this point.

This mythical reverence for a man who’s only true accomplishment since 2010 is beating… Alex Smith.

The talk of him being a legendary coach and an eventual HOFer devalues the true legends of this game who actually had real accomplishments.

I believe there will be a breaking point and this 15 year nightmare will end in the next couple of seasons.

I suspect DMR will be the solution.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

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[T1K]

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Not a surprise. It’s frustrating that they didn’t pull the plug on Wilson before the season was lost, but it is what it is.