OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin
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Vrabel has already been hired by New England, but even if not, pass. He's as close to Mike Tomlin in philosophy and strengths/weaknesses as it gets. Good culture builder but super conservative, old school guy whose teams have a lower ceiling.
Same. Old. Story. This is the Tomlin Standard. Late season collapse. Paper tiger defense. Limp dick offense. Unprepared from the get go. One and done.
Go ahead. Scapegoat Wilson. Scapegoat Austin. Or Najee. Or the O-line coach. Or players playing through injuries. We'll shuffle the deck chairs....again....and get the same results....again....because the core issue is Tomlin.
Trading Tomlin would seriously revitalize the team. Maybe the next guy is a goober and they tank. Good. Maybe he's the savior and they actually win a playoff game. Also good. Maybe there's no change and they are still mediocre. Who cares? That's what they are now, have been for years, and will be for years to come with Tomlin. This purgatory is actually hell.
I think the Bears and Jets would actually be a mutually beneficial situation.
Chicago is a blue collar town which fits right in with Tomlin's (perceived) attitude. They've got their QB of the future. They've been such a mess for so long that just making the playoffs would be seen in a positive light. They are in serious need of a culture shift and getting a coach like Tomlin who is (perceived) to be a winner, great leader, and player's coach would provide that. For Tomlin, it's a storied franchised. He would be seen as a hero to get them in the playoffs. It stops him from tarnishing his 'legacy' with the Steelers any more. The most difficult part of the rebuild is done and theoretically they should be on the upswing which he would get credit for. His wife is into fashion, so she might look forward to going to a city like Chicago instead of Pittsburgh. Fresh start.
The Jets would be all the same stuff except for the QB situation, but they can keep Rodgers so he and Tomlin can bat their eye lashes at each other every day instead of just when they play against each other.
Fortune favors the bold, Rooney. Do it.
Go ahead. Scapegoat Wilson. Scapegoat Austin. Or Najee. Or the O-line coach. Or players playing through injuries. We'll shuffle the deck chairs....again....and get the same results....again....because the core issue is Tomlin.
Trading Tomlin would seriously revitalize the team. Maybe the next guy is a goober and they tank. Good. Maybe he's the savior and they actually win a playoff game. Also good. Maybe there's no change and they are still mediocre. Who cares? That's what they are now, have been for years, and will be for years to come with Tomlin. This purgatory is actually hell.
I think the Bears and Jets would actually be a mutually beneficial situation.
Chicago is a blue collar town which fits right in with Tomlin's (perceived) attitude. They've got their QB of the future. They've been such a mess for so long that just making the playoffs would be seen in a positive light. They are in serious need of a culture shift and getting a coach like Tomlin who is (perceived) to be a winner, great leader, and player's coach would provide that. For Tomlin, it's a storied franchised. He would be seen as a hero to get them in the playoffs. It stops him from tarnishing his 'legacy' with the Steelers any more. The most difficult part of the rebuild is done and theoretically they should be on the upswing which he would get credit for. His wife is into fashion, so she might look forward to going to a city like Chicago instead of Pittsburgh. Fresh start.
The Jets would be all the same stuff except for the QB situation, but they can keep Rodgers so he and Tomlin can bat their eye lashes at each other every day instead of just when they play against each other.
Fortune favors the bold, Rooney. Do it.
Tomlin has a no trade clause so as much as a trade would benefit both teams it’s not happening this season
I have faith that Khan and Weidl won't let that happen.
Like, I'm kinda ok if Jeanty fell that far but the RB class is very deep so I don't see a reason to spend capital on a rd1 RB. To be honest, I think someone may trade up for him and I would be more open to trading back and getting extra capital.
But back to the point at hand. They have other more pressing needs at premier positions such as on the DL, OL, CB and WR that need to be handled before spending capital on a RB.
They will be able to get a good RB in the 3rd-5th round.
The writing on the wall is that there are several items with the Steelers that need resolved or this team is not going to be where we expect them to be, where they are required to be aka the standard is the standard.
Firstly, Mike Tomlin needs to shake his ego and his fear of not being the smartest guy in the room (he is brilliant imo BUT...) and hire specialists for time management and replay and hire good up and coming coordinates that are creative and innovative as defensive and offensive coordinates. Where is the Mike Tomlin coaching tree? It's inexcusable and ALL ego. If he is not willing to do this, trade him to the Jets or someone for perhaps 2 first round picks.
Next, dead weight and overvalued players need traded - Watt, Pickens, Highsmith, Heyward, Pickens, even Minkah all need to go. 88M in cap space for Watt, Highsmith, Heyward and Fitzpatrick - NO not a winning formula. This isn't 1970 - trade them. You need the QB, Offensive Line, and WR in that order. Hell, trade Queen if you have to, 17M more cap hit.
Lastly, the Steelers need to be willing to have a 4-13 season, a rock bottom season, to get the skilled position players they need -aka QB. We have some good young talent, not enough of it, but some good building blocks. I think Wilson, for example, is going to be at a Hall of Fame level. ILB is the deepest in the league.
If they aren't willing to do these things they will be a 6-9 win team next year and the very definition of mediocre. As per usual.
Firstly, Mike Tomlin needs to shake his ego and his fear of not being the smartest guy in the room (he is brilliant imo BUT...) and hire specialists for time management and replay and hire good up and coming coordinates that are creative and innovative as defensive and offensive coordinates. Where is the Mike Tomlin coaching tree? It's inexcusable and ALL ego. If he is not willing to do this, trade him to the Jets or someone for perhaps 2 first round picks.
Next, dead weight and overvalued players need traded - Watt, Pickens, Highsmith, Heyward, Pickens, even Minkah all need to go. 88M in cap space for Watt, Highsmith, Heyward and Fitzpatrick - NO not a winning formula. This isn't 1970 - trade them. You need the QB, Offensive Line, and WR in that order. Hell, trade Queen if you have to, 17M more cap hit.
Lastly, the Steelers need to be willing to have a 4-13 season, a rock bottom season, to get the skilled position players they need -aka QB. We have some good young talent, not enough of it, but some good building blocks. I think Wilson, for example, is going to be at a Hall of Fame level. ILB is the deepest in the league.
If they aren't willing to do these things they will be a 6-9 win team next year and the very definition of mediocre. As per usual.
Definition of a lose-lose trade. Jackson is a guy I really hope they don’t bring back unless it’s for peanuts and in a backup role.
I really liked his effort to tackle on that 3rd and long too
Steelers picking...21st.
Lol.
Lol.
Vrabel is in New England now.
I'll go on record that if Jeanty is there at 21 he absolutely should be the pick. Shouldn't even think twice.
This is the issue I have with taking guys like Jordan Love and other guys that play a similar style in college. A lot of these dudes just never understand how to work in a pocket. But for every 100 Jordan Loves, there is 1 Brock Purdy.
As far as the actual game goes, pathetic.
How did "one of the best defenses" let them ram in down their throats in the first half? You were expecting them to lean on their running game without their most dynamic receiver, right? You weren't prepared for their nearly 1,000 yard rushing QB to keep the ball on run options from the get go? I guess props for the half time adjustment....? But it was too late.
On offense, I'm not sure I agree with people saying Wilson picked up garbage yards once the game was out of reach. Teams playing prevent defense give you underneath stuff and try to prevent quick scores. They did the exact opposite on the 98 yard drive and the TD to Pickens. To me, this is what the offense should have been all along. Push the ball down field CONSISTENTLY, not just every now and then. Use the pass to setup the run and vice versa. But Tomlin (and maybe Smith, too, but I'm still skeptical it's not Tomlin's directive) is to ONLY use the run to setup the pass, don't risk anything, hold onto the ball for as long as possible, etc.
It was an unbelievably bad game plan, except we're use to it. So it's not actually unbelievable.
How did "one of the best defenses" let them ram in down their throats in the first half? You were expecting them to lean on their running game without their most dynamic receiver, right? You weren't prepared for their nearly 1,000 yard rushing QB to keep the ball on run options from the get go? I guess props for the half time adjustment....? But it was too late.
On offense, I'm not sure I agree with people saying Wilson picked up garbage yards once the game was out of reach. Teams playing prevent defense give you underneath stuff and try to prevent quick scores. They did the exact opposite on the 98 yard drive and the TD to Pickens. To me, this is what the offense should have been all along. Push the ball down field CONSISTENTLY, not just every now and then. Use the pass to setup the run and vice versa. But Tomlin (and maybe Smith, too, but I'm still skeptical it's not Tomlin's directive) is to ONLY use the run to setup the pass, don't risk anything, hold onto the ball for as long as possible, etc.
It was an unbelievably bad game plan, except we're use to it. So it's not actually unbelievable.
That's why I highlighted some reasons that Tomlin might be open to a change. He can waive that clause. It's mutually beneficial to the other team, Tomlin, and of course the Steelers.
When you call the refs out 4 weeks ago they remember that shit.
GP will never get the benefit of the doubt in the next couple of seasons. Just like Crosby
This is the result of DEI hiring practices brought to you by Dan and Art II.
Maybe if fans stopped going to games and buying shit they don't need, something would change.
Maybe if fans stopped going to games and buying shit they don't need, something would change.
You do realize they traded for Minkah ONLY bc Ben was injured and that was the only way to secure Never Had A Losing Season, right?
Uh by what measure isn't Nix good?
Didn't you say this offseason that if Tomlin didn't win a playoff game he shouldn't be coach any longer?
- A playoff win in only 4 of 18 seasons coached.
- Only 3 playoff wins over past 13 seasons.
- Zero playoff wins past 8 seasons.
- Lost 6 consecutive playoff games.
- Outscored 73-0 in 1st qtr. of last six playoff games.
- Owns NFL record for most consecutive playoff games surrendering 40 or more points.
- Needs only one more one & done to tie most in NFL history.
- Lost at least 3 games in December 5 out of past 7 years.
- 21 consecutive games without scoring a 1st quarter TD.
- Has held the lead for less than 5 minutes combined in past 6 playoff games. A span of 360 total minutes.
All coaches have NTC in their contracts so this isn’t unusual.
Basically if a coach isn’t willing to negotiate with another team, he can’t be traded.
This is a myth that needs to be shot down bc I've seen it shared multiple times.
Good lord the defense was loade—you can point to no shazier, but they fielded:
Joe Haden
Javon Hargrave
Heyward
TJ Watt
Stephon Tuitt
Vince Williams
Bud Dupree
That might be more elite defensive talent than they have now!
Yes I said it’s time for a trade it’s what best for both parties. Send him to Chicago for 26 1st and 2nd like Peyton
Guy didn’t even have 100 yards passing after the 1st drive yesterday in 3 Qts of football
He said he saw growth but if your not sure about the Qb you should be worried. He can’t be used with cheat and exit motion and take advantage of slants and in breaking routes if RW is back
Amazingly there are still many Tomlin defenders out there.
Perception is such a relative animal. People will twist situations into a pretzel in order to match their perception.
Here’s one very common example:
“Mike Tomlin consistently has his team overacheiving. Its not his fault they fail in the post season. They shouldnt even be there.”
You see, the person that makes this argument either intentionally or unintentionally, absolves Tomlin from creating those low expectations to begin with.
If you support Tomlin you will watch the same exact events, at the same exact time, but you will remember a completely different story.
Truly fascinating how the mind works. Especially those whose mind is so simple, that you can see them falling into traps without any self-awareness
One of my fav quotes; It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.
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